Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

Astaro

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Gilgamesh is different
He scales above the whole cast where saber and kojiro dont
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Not to a level where he’s unbeatable to said cast
 

Gordo

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the issue is that you get turned into a book and then effectively mind controlled by heaven's door

and let's not even bring up babidi's "mind control", that nigga is trash :tupac
Heaven’s Door is worse than Babidi’s mind control based on actual feats

Not sure how you think it’s better
 

NostalgiaFan

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Heaven’s Door is worse than Babidi’s mind control based on actual feats

Not sure how you think it’s better
Based on what? All we ever see Babidi do is mind control guys who were already evil and even than they can resist like Vegeta did. Rohan's on the other hand has no such restriction and the only time it did not work was due to Josuke being too blind with rage at the moment.
 

Gordo

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Based on what? All we ever see Babidi do is mind control guys who were already evil and even than they can resist like Vegeta did. Rohan's on the other hand has no such restriction and the only time it did not work was due to Josuke being too blind with rage at the moment.
Rohan’s isn’t even mind control, it’s localized reality warping

Babidi’s magic operates on a far greater scale, considering it’s good enough to let him communicate with everyone on Earth at once and can teleport him anywhere in the universe instantly

Also, Okuyasu was able to resist it long enough to not kill himself. He does have that limitation
 

NostalgiaFan

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Rohan’s isn’t even mind control, it’s localized reality warping
Wrong. Koichi was literally mind wiped and remembered nothing from his time with Rohan right after he left his house and the abilities of Heaven's Door would be considered both reality warping and mind control.
Babidi’s magic operates on a far greater scale, considering it’s good enough to let him communicate with everyone on Earth at once and can teleport him anywhere in the universe instantly
And yet he has zero feats of mind controlling beyond the small group of minions he had on his ship. One feat of range means nothing to the actual effect and power of his mind control, which is limited to only those that are dead.
Also, Okuyasu was able to resist it long enough to not kill himself. He does have that limitation
Where?
 

Bob74h

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Not to a level where he’s unbeatable to said cast

He held back because he had a crush on saber
did you watch the same anime


he never was trying to kill her just trying to get her to submit to him with her defying him
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Gordo

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Wrong. Koichi was literally mind wiped and remembered nothing from his time with Rohan right after he left his house and the abilities of Heaven's Door would be considered both reality warping and mind control.
If you want to categorize them the same then sure

And yet he has zero feats of mind controlling beyond the small group of minions he had on his ship. One feat of range means nothing to the actual effect and power of his mind control, which is limited to only those that are dead.
Even if you want to say this, that is still better than the range Heaven’s Door ever showed with its power. That is not up for debate

When he almost burned himself alive
 

Proto234

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Yes, yes he is. All of the apostles are high tier servants. Speedblitzing Barghest and Baobhan as well as holding out against Melusine (albeit with help) and fights against hordes of servants trumps anything Ezra did
 

Bob74h

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He can one shot artoria if he wants

Saber after a serious fight with gil is a courpse
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Cant even hit him unless he lets her
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Astaro

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did you watch the same anime


he never was trying to kill her just trying to get her to submit to him with her defying him
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yes, I’ve read this scene and seen it used so many time. Gil hit Saber with Ea and meant to kill her. Avalon hard counters Enuma Elish and gives Saber an opening to slice Gil in half

So again. Not unbeatable and certainly able to be killed if struck by a strong enough NP by another Servant
 

Astaro

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Gilgamesh getting his leg eaten

Not upset so much from losing a whole leg, but that it forced him to bow down for a moment.

:hestonpls
 

Proto234

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Heaven’s Door is worse than Babidi’s mind control based on actual feats

Not sure how you think it’s better
I don't know anything about Heaven's door. But Babidi's mind control isn't that great even when compared to say, Lelouch geass, Vegeta only allows Babidi to brainwash him and even then he ignores it. He can't even use said power to control Majin Buu.
Communication and teleportation isn't the same thing as mind control
 

NostalgiaFan

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If you want to categorize them the same then sure
if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....
Even if you want to say this, that is still better than the range Heaven’s Door ever showed with its power. That is not up for debate
And once again, Range means jack shit to actual power. You can be universal in range all you want, it does not change the fact that Babidi showed no real great use of mind control besides a few evil minions who were weak to it.
When he almost burned himself alive
And?
 
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