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They were arsonists too

:giogio I don't really care to argue about this and I'm not trying to push an agenda, I think it's kind of self evident it's not exactly favored for town hypothetically and in practice based on a rough sketch of the setup numbers. We can argue about the final details all day but seem to have...

...Come again? This was a thing?

It's punitive compared to the average set up, I'm not ignoring the fact that hider gets a result. But with the numbers already quite lean, compared to most set ups you could probably expect a cop or something. Securing a scum lynch doesn't also change the amount of mislynches required to...

This is semantics because I said a 2 mislynch allowance. If it takes 3 to lose, then the third mislynch isn't allowed by definition. Not being disingenuous really, just think that it kind of goes without saying that it's harder for town to win here.

I'm not conflating lylo with voting majority, but you know town doesn't win the majority of the time if they don't have it. Arsonist is unlikely to resolve mafia or tilt the balance of the game as well until they can win, assuming logical play

Yes but my point is that a 2 mislynch allowance is pretty tough odds to overcome. Most cases it takes 3-4 for mafia to win, and they're still statistically favored. Your average game I feel like town loses this...maybe 80% of the time (if you feel I'm being too harsh, my baseline for scum win is...

I think the bar for town is set really high though lmao Quick maths: If a hider dies in this set up via their own role, it's 11 v 2 v 5, in sheer collective vote power that's 11 townies to 7 non townies, from the get go Definitely scum sided and we still won, mostly from solving too.

Not to mention the fact we basically had a bunch of lemons piloting their roles and were mostly firing in the dark.

Anyway the gravel has been laid down, next time don't SPITEFULLY shoot poor Kekko!!

I think you got robbed and Mafia don't really need an HM in a game where they had everything and still lost. No offense to anyone

Not to mention Ekko is the CATALYST and would have solved RDK easily!!

Offing Duelist is probably equivalent to a set back of 1 lynch

Thanks Melkor. I do think you are definitely not giving town enough credit for winning this one, though. Odds were pretty stacked against us. 6 anti town, a double voter in mafia, hider kills themselves...2 mislynches into lylo is tough stuff and we still got the job done!

I just suffered the misfortune of having Aurelian as a team mate. I know the pain, from the back end of him not listening to the front end of how much attention he attracts. That said, I don't feel like I'd be awarded here if I was scum in your position and things played out exactly how they did...

I think the definition of damage is pretty straightforward. You're acting like I'm holding you to some stringent criteria...there were two mislynches the entire game (yes I lead both shut up :whatthekong). You spent most of your energy pushing Aurelian and that didn't fall through as planned...

You're taking it as a condemnation of your play which is already annoying when I just asked him why RDK wasn't a consideration, so I barely feel like elaborating on this. But basically you failed to do much damage from the standpoint of your own play as mafia. If you say there's nothing you...

Well if you want to take credit for RDK's position that's different. I was talking about your own game plan

Throws up hands It's not a condemnation of your play or motivated

I was talking about your individual game plan