Potential upgrades for the OBD wiki pages

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What about pages that need CREATING (coughGhostReaperGirlcough)? :maybe

Although in terms of updates, the HST (or rather One Piece and Bleach) profiles were never updated after Chaos's calcs so someone needs to get around to that.
 
Infinite got some upgrades?
I don't know about Infinite, but probably with the other entries like novels and comics. Like multiple instances of Spartans and other aliens dodging and reacting to hypersonic plasma carbine slugs and particle sentinel beams, some at close range. Locke flipping over a 42.3 ton Wraith tank, and three members of Gray team pushing a Bumblebee 100 meters similar size to the 66 tonne Scorpion tank though it tumbled like a boulder with each shove.

Re-edit: Work in progress - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y9E8SLPtfbDHneBOjRbccXuj8IG3f3888WtqgDZV3Qg/edit?usp=sharing
 
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Maddie

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I don't know about Infinite, but probably with the other entries like novels and comics. Like multiple instances of Spartans and other aliens dodging and reacting to hypersonic plasma carbine slugs and particle sentinel beams, some at close range. Locke flipping over a 42.3 ton Wraith tank, and three members of Gray team pushing a Bumblebee 100 meters similar size to the 66 tonne Scorpion tank though it tumbled like a boulder with each shove.

Re-edit: Work in progress - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y9E8SLPtfbDHneBOjRbccXuj8IG3f3888WtqgDZV3Qg/edit?usp=sharing
Where does large building level come from?

And city block level durability
 
Where does large building level come from?
From destroying a Wraith tank by repeatedly punching it that can tank their own mortars

And city block level durability
That's with shield. From multiple things, like tanking a portion of the slipspace rupture that created a massive crater, tanking a nearby detonation of a 1 MT nuke that took place on the moon with minimal atmosphere and gravity (your calc was 12 kilotons because it was on the moon), and tanking a direct hit from a Wraith mortar. Even Locke shrugs off a Forerunner Blast that teared up the city, violently pushed aircraft out of the air and caused earthquakes.
 

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From destroying a Wraith tank by repeatedly punching it that can tank their own mortars
Withstanding extreme thermal energy and pressure across a wide area isn't comparable to a focused punch in one spot. It would be better to base it on the fact that .50 cal rounds can't dent it.

Also, in The Flood Wraith mortars boiled Wraiths apart and left only the slagged skeletal remains of the tank.

That's with shield. From multiple things, like tanking a portion of the slipspace rupture that created a massive crater, tanking a nearby detonation of a 1 MT nuke that took place on the moon with minimal atmosphere and gravity (your calc was 12 kilotons because it was on the moon), and tanking a direct hit from a Wraith mortar. Even Locke shrugs off a Forerunner Blast that teared up the city, violently pushed aircraft out of the air and caused earthquakes.

At least for the nuke, he was 800 meters away from the epicenter, away from the 20 psi overpressure shockwaves by 300 meters and and well far away from the fireball. He would have only felt the thermal and ionizing radiation, not the main brunt of the explosion.


That makes up 50% of a nuclear bomb's energy, or 6 kilotons

but also using inverse square law, well 4,068,344 m^2/2.52 m^2 = 15,549,835.5 joules
 
Withstanding extreme thermal energy and pressure across a wide area isn't comparable to a focused punch in one spot. It would be better to base it on the fact that .50 cal rounds can't dent it.
There is also another incident of a random Spartan destroying Wraiths in hand to hand.

Also, in The Flood Wraith mortars boiled Wraiths apart and left only the slagged skeletal remains of the tank.
That's because the tanks weren't active, and the hatches weren't secured. If they were, they might have survived. In-game Wraiths can survive a few mortars before they're destroyed.
 
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From destroying a Wraith tank by repeatedly punching it that can tank their own mortars
This is from in-game play where a Spartan (or an elite) can either hijack either the top or the back of a vehicle and repeatedly punch it in order to damage it, right?

Could be game mechanics added in order to balance out some of the advantages of tanks/wraiths in the game, since this type of feat was never displayed in the novels (@Papa Nier I could be wrong on this, so if you got evidence of this happening, you can post it).

Aren't the cockpit and the rear area of the scorpion/wraith considered vulnerable areas anyways? You can even throw a grenade in the rear end of them if you punch enough times and break apart the armor around those areas.

Then again, all of this could be gameplay mechanics since a regular melee attack from a Spartan/Elite does jack shit do them.

Also, in the games, it takes the scorpion and the wraiths two shots of each shell/mortar to blow up each other from the front, right?
 

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This is from in-game play where a Spartan (or an elite) can either hijack either the top or the back of a vehicle and repeatedly punch it in order to damage it, right?

Could be game mechanics added in order to balance out some of the advantages of tanks/wraiths in the game, since this type of feat was never displayed in the novels (@Papa Nier I could be wrong on this, so if you got evidence of this happening, you can post it).

Aren't the cockpit and the rear area of the scorpion/wraith considered vulnerable areas anyways? You can even throw a grenade in the rear end of them if you punch enough times and break apart the armor around those areas.

Then again, all of this could be gameplay mechanics since a regular melee attack from a Spartan/Elite does jack shit do them.

Also, in the games, it takes the scorpion and the wraiths two shots of each shell/mortar to blow up each other from the front, right?
gameplay mechanics yes, but it's noted in terminal logs spartans can physically break Wraith Halling, I just don't think a massive heat explosion is comparable to a driected physical puncture

It would mean Spartan punches are a shitton of PSI
 
This is from in-game play where a Spartan (or an elite) can either hijack either the top or the back of a vehicle and repeatedly punch it in order to damage it, right?

Could be game mechanics added in order to balance out some of the advantages of tanks/wraiths in the game, since this type of feat was never displayed in the novels (@Papa Nier I could be wrong on this, so if you got evidence of this happening, you can post it).
Yeah, it's from in-game. From this video, it takes seven punches to destroy a Wraith.


Here's a scene of Locke flipping over the Wraith with a shockwave punch.


The only instances of Spartans physically doing anything to them are these two and that random Spartan. Apparently, the Warden Eternal can withstand the Wraith mortars in Halo 5. Spartans can punch out his legs with their punches.


Aren't the cockpit and the rear area of the scorpion/wraith considered vulnerable areas anyways? You can even throw a grenade in the rear end of them if you punch enough times and break apart the armor around those areas.
That's correct.

Then again, all of this could be gameplay mechanics since a regular melee attack from a Spartan/Elite does jack shit do them.
Depends on the gameplay mechanics. Since Halo is real-time gameplay, some feats could be considered canon.

Also, in the games, it takes the scorpion and the wraiths two shots of each shell/mortar to blow up each other from the front, right?
Usually, they do.
 

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So what dc would Master Chief's striking strength be?
His most quantifiable feats was punching a banshee to the horizon and kicking a Mjolnir 1 Spartan Exosuit several meters (unarmored)

Probably room level, megajoules, at the very least in the hundreds of kilojoules

Probably up to 115 megajoules given IIRC the Wraith hull can take hits from a gauss hog but I'm not sure.

One thing with Halo is while it has questionable ergonomics and Forerunners are pure space magic, UNSC stuff is physically grounded. Power of stuff comes from thermal or kinetic energy. This isn't DC or Star Wars where s character can have planetary level force punches just cuz, it would be from the velocity of a punch. If Chief is punching at say, Mach 5, that's going to be single digits to low double digits megajoules.
 
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His most quantifiable feats was punching a banshee to the horizon and kicking a Mjolnir 1 Spartan Exosuit several meters (unarmored)

Probably room level, megajoules, at the very least in the hundreds of kilojoules

Probably up to 115 megajoules given IIRC the Wraith hull can take hits from a gauss hog but I'm not sure
Room level is small building level, right? That sounds kinda low.
 

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Room level is small building level, right? That sounds kinda low.
VSB calculated Chief kicking the Mjolnir armor several meters and got hundreds of kilojoules

The banshee feat from Shadows of Reach I ballparked at around ~1.9 megajoules

Caving in the skulls of aliens sounds impressive until one remembers a 70mm AA gun can splatter people with a even with the smaller surface area of the bullet and being in the low triple digit kilojoules

A comparative sense of scale is needed

Here is what would be suggested for Chief if he could punch at hundreds of megajoules

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Withstanding extreme thermal energy and pressure across a wide area isn't comparable to a focused punch in one spot. It would be better to base it on the fact that .50 cal rounds can't dent it.

Also, in The Flood Wraith mortars boiled Wraiths apart and left only the slagged skeletal remains of the tank.

That's not really how we do things here. If something can withstand the equivalent of several tons of TNT, they're building to city block level. We don't differentiate durability based on the types of damage.

This is from in-game play where a Spartan (or an elite) can either hijack either the top or the back of a vehicle and repeatedly punch it in order to damage it, right?

Could be game mechanics added in order to balance out some of the advantages of tanks/wraiths in the game, since this type of feat was never displayed in the novels (@Papa Nier I could be wrong on this, so if you got evidence of this happening, you can post it).

Aren't the cockpit and the rear area of the scorpion/wraith considered vulnerable areas anyways? You can even throw a grenade in the rear end of them if you punch enough times and break apart the armor around those areas.

Then again, all of this could be gameplay mechanics since a regular melee attack from a Spartan/Elite does jack shit do them.

Also, in the games, it takes the scorpion and the wraiths two shots of each shell/mortar to blow up each other from the front, right?

Game mechanics is saying that spartans can die from a few bullets without their shields when their armor is bulletproof in the lore. Spartans being able to destroy wraiths in hth is arbitrated and should be treated as canon. If we say that spartans can't actually destroy wraiths because it's "only a gameplay mechanic", then we'll have to downgrade characters such as Doom Slayer or Kiryu because most of their best feats take place during gameplay.
 
VSB calculated Chief kicking the Mjolnir armor several meters and got hundreds of kilojoules

The banshee feat from Shadows of Reach I ballparked at around ~1.9 megajoules

Caving in the skulls of aliens sounds impressive until one remembers a 70mm AA gun can splatter people with a even with the smaller surface area of the bullet
Master Chief's outdated profile has his physical strength at building level+
 

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But to answer the OP, yeah, the wiki is extremely outdated. As mentioned previously the HST profiles are probably in need of revisions the most, to list the biggest example.
 

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Master Chief's outdated profile has his physical strength at building level+
Directly contradicted by his striking strength being listed at MJ class, which is more accurate

But to answer the OP, yeah, the wiki is extremely outdated. As mentioned previously the HST profiles are probably in need of revisions the most, to list the biggest example.

I could work on DC, Halo, Mythos, Doctor Who, and Xeelee stuff. Also wanna add TP
 
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