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I don't think it's particularly strong evidence of anything even taken at face value though. I really wish some writer just handwaved some nonsensical dimensional statement so I could be done tracking these down. I think dimensional tiering is the most boring way to scale in this hobby and I'm glad TF's standing in the future doesn't even need it due to Tree Gains, but I like to have all bases covered and really thorough reasoning for something and the Countless Dimensions statements are still too vague to me. They're usable, but they're not the type of evidence I like using
 
This seems recent, tfwiki has an archive of Bob Skir's website

Source:BobSkir.com - Transformers Wiki

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He did a lot of FAQs on it
17) What exactly is the matrix? I've seen the movie and all the episodes of Beast Wars and Machines were they say something about the matrix, but i still cannot get it clear.

In Beast Machines, when we talk about the Matrix, we are talking about the AllSpark, made up of every Spark that ever was, and every Spark that ever will be. (Which, if you replace "Spark" with "Soul", is my definition of God.)
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A particularly interesting one
6) Is the Oracle a personification of Vector Sigma, a manifestation of Primus, or something different altogether?

It's the AllSpark, God, if you will. the spark of every transformer who has ever lived, or ever will live.
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14) It seems like the Beast Wars show (which you cited as your primary "canon") drew heavily upon the comic book continuity--heck, they even used the comic's writer for the last episode. So will you seek to reconcile the plot elements obviously derived from the comic (Primus, the Matrix being a force of creation, The Swarm) with the old cartoon version (the Quintessons, etc.)?
We've got our hands filled with current events, so there's no time for history! But what we can reconcile, we will reconcile!
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147) During all three seasons of Beast Wars - The Matrix and The Pit - protoform factories are mentioned, will we get to see them inside and out? Will we ever get to see the Pit (the area where Predacons are created) and the Matrix Center (where Maximals are created)?

Trust me... you'll be seeing a lot!
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(2) There was reference to the matrix as being some sort of all-encompassing existence of energy that created life as we know it (the description kind of reminded me of "the force"). Is this the same physical matrix from G1 transformers that was housed inside the autobot leaders and can be opened to "light our darkest hour," or are we talking about something entirely different?

the answer is "A", The Force, God, the AllSpark.
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3) One of the things commented on after the recent Beast Machines preview at the BotCon (besides how cool the show looked! :-) was the inclusion of the Oracle and the hints about the Transformer's past. That's a great direction, with lots of cool potential! My question is, will BM respect (even maybe reference?) what we ALREADY KNOW about Cybertron's past? In the Cartoon Cyberton was revealed to be a Quintesson factory, where they built Transformers to sell. The TF's gained sentience and rebelled. (They learned to Transform later during the war with the Decepticons.) Then in the Comic Book we learned Cybertron and the TF's were created by the godlike Primus (Lord of the Light, whose essence WAS the Matrix) to battle the dark god Unicron. (He gave them the power to transform because Unicron could.) These two stories can work together. (Primus creating Cybertron, the Quintessons invading it later) Will BM be compatible with TF history this way too? Primus was mentioned in Beast Wars often, will he play a role here? Expanding and enriching the TF mythos is always welcome, but it should be done with a respect for what came before, Will BM have this?

I'd like to think so! We will be addressing the known past, but some pretty large pieces are yet unknown... to the degree that you don't know what you don't know... and neither do our characters!
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4. Will we get to see the Pit and the Matrix and all the cute infant sparks? What about other Transformer worlds?
5. Will Megatron receive a new transform mode to match his new found evil ? Like Galvatron's Cannon mode ? I like the dragon and all the missing parts but common Megatron is in control of all Cybertron. I sure he can afford a little body work and wax.
6. Last but not least how soon till Megatron turns his eyes back to Earth? Plus will humans come to play on Cybertron in the next season ? Allright Mr. " Wait and See." Some of these questions you've heard before and you'll here again that just because we love the show and we love the writers and CGI wizards who allow us to be kids again for twenty minutes on Saturday mornings. Keep up the great work.

1. Nope, they're gone! Sorry!2. Scar?3. We aren't doing any stories involving time travel/time-streams. So... he didn't fall into the past or anything. (Also, the original Megatron Spark was returned, so DON'T GO THERE!)4. Nope. And nope. We're staying here. And "The Matrix" we're dealing with is not part of that whole Matrix/Pit thing.
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Interesting, I think here he's referring to the BW idea that the Matrix and Pit were literal places where Transformers were manufactured and not spiritual concepts.
11) A minor problem in the beast machines premiere shown at BotCon(paraphrased): Optimus Primal states when the transformers first settled Cybertron, they had to first learn to transform. In the original cartoon, they were created on Cybertron by the Quintessons for various purposes, and eventually rebelled and drove their masters off. In the comics, Primus created the Transformers on Cybertron to mimic Unicron's transforming capabilities, and to prepare for Unicron's rampage. In each continuity, both see the Transformers as being built on the planet of Cybertron, instead of cybernetic nomads colonizing an abandoned world. Can and will this slight glitch be repaired before airing on fox? Such as instead of saying they came to Cybertron, changing it to built on Cybertron? Thanks for listening.

Oh, is this a glitch? (Insert evil laughter here, indicating the writer knows more than he is telling...)
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What I find the most interesting about this is that Skir was at least somewhat aware of Primus and the comic backstory for the lore as a whole. He's very coy in how he never directly says the Allspark isn't related to Primus, he simply answers all questions related to Primus with the Matrix being the Allspark. It's weird. Current lore makes it impossible for this to not be tied to Primus, but this was such an odd approach at the time the way he's answering these lol
1) What was Marv Wolfman' storyline treatment for Beast Machines?, Can you tell us what some of the other writers' concepts for the new series were? Thanks for the Discussion boards!

Marv came up with the Maximals returning to Cybertron, who stole the sparks and planted the virus. The Vehicons and the Generals were their ideas. All the mystical stuff came from Marty and I, based on Hasbro's request that we add a "spiritual dimension" to the show. The overall arc of the series, the quest that Optimus et al are on, was also our idea, based on many conversations with Hasbro, Mainframe, Fox, and us.
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Hasbro wanting a stronger spiritual element to the show is still hilarious
 
OtherGalaxy said:
What I find the most interesting about this is that Skir was at least somewhat aware of Primus and the comic backstory for the lore as a whole. He's very coy in how he never directly says the Allspark isn't related to Primus, he simply answers all questions related to Primus with the Matrix being the Allspark. It's weird. Current lore makes it impossible for this to not be tied to Primus, but this was such an odd approach at the time the way he's answering these lol
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i mean it feels like he has to know, he knows of primus, he should know about the og matrix which is primus's essence, the og creation matrix of the comic was the source of cybertronian life so it feels like thats what he means, Matrix = Allspark = Primus
 
Also found this

Source:Alt.toys.transformers - Transformers Wiki

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Q: What did Rhinox mean by “The other side of the Matrix?”

A: The Matrix is infinite; a universe unto itself in another dimension. The gemlike segment that extends into our universe is but an infinitesimal fragment of the whole -- the tip of the iceberg, if you will. The hole in TransWarp space allowed Rhinox to extend his core consciousness into the vastness of the “other side” of the Matrix and create a trail for Optimus’ spark to follow back.
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This is pre-Beast Machines and pre-Bob Skir's involvement, but still a really interesting way to look at the Matrix and afterlife
 
OtherGalaxy said:
This seems recent, tfwiki has an archive of Bob Skir's website

Source:BobSkir.com - Transformers Wiki

tfwiki.net tfwiki.net
He did a lot of FAQs on it

A particularly interesting one






Interesting, I think here he's referring to the BW idea that the Matrix and Pit were literal places where Transformers were manufactured and not spiritual concepts.


What I find the most interesting about this is that Skir was at least somewhat aware of Primus and the comic backstory for the lore as a whole. He's very coy in how he never directly says the Allspark isn't related to Primus, he simply answers all questions related to Primus with the Matrix being the Allspark. It's weird. Current lore makes it impossible for this to not be tied to Primus, but this was such an odd approach at the time the way he's answering these lol

Hasbro wanting a stronger spiritual element to the show is still hilarious
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Wait so the Matrix is conduit with the allspark?
 
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to be honest it always has been, even before that was an actual concept. Rodimus specifically goes into it to visit the spirits of past Primes during the Five Faces of Darkness, the Matrix being connected to the afterlife has always been there in some form, it’s just that the afterlife has taken a very long time to get much lore
 
OtherGalaxy said:
to be honest it always has been, even before that was an actual concept. Rodimus specifically goes into it to visit the spirits of past Primes during the Five Faces of Darkness, the Matrix being connected to the afterlife has always been there in some form, it’s just that the afterlife has taken a very long time to get much lore
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I think it makes sense for the scaling since it does erase Unicron's coporeal form still. Thing is, Skir did said that the Matrix artifact wasn't figuring in the show with the Matrix realm.
 
Optimus Prime 654 said:
I think it makes sense for the scaling since it does erase Unicron's coporeal form still. Thing is, Skir did said that the Matrix artifact wasn't figuring in the show with the Matrix realm.
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Oh I know, it just ultimately doesn't make much of a difference as future writers kept tying the two together. At this point barring a select few examples you can't really separate the Matrix and the Afterlife. Even in Beast Wars despite their writers having the idea that the Matrix was a physical factory, they still talk about the actual Matrix of Leadership as its own plane of existence/afterlife. The Matrix isn't a weapon people can just use at will regardless (the Star Powers being notable outliers here) so to me it's more useful to build a bigger picture of how things work. It doesn't mean Skir was wrong or lying, just that the addition of more and more writers to the franchise changed the state of things.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Oh I know, it just ultimately doesn't make much of a difference as future writers kept tying the two together. At this point barring a select few examples you can't really separate the Matrix and the Afterlife. Even in Beast Wars despite their writers having the idea that the Matrix was a physical factory, they still talk about the actual Matrix of Leadership as its own plane of existence/afterlife. The Matrix isn't a weapon people can just use at will regardless (the Star Powers being notable outliers here) so to me it's more useful to build a bigger picture of how things work. It doesn't mean Skir was wrong or lying, just that the addition of more and more writers to the franchise changed the state of things.
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Ic. This would scale to G1 I believe right? All these arguments just come from G1.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
I don't think it's particularly strong evidence of anything even taken at face value though. I really wish some writer just handwaved some nonsensical dimensional statement so I could be done tracking these down. I think dimensional tiering is the most boring way to scale in this hobby and I'm glad TF's standing in the future doesn't even need it due to Tree Gains
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Still insane how much Singularity Ablyss boosted the god tiers. Now we just need even more obscure powerscaling surpassing cereal box scaling to make Primus and Unicron ALLversal or something
 
Crimson Dragoon said:
Still insane how much Singularity Ablyss boosted the god tiers. Now we just need even more obscure powerscaling surpassing cereal box scaling to make Primus and Unicron ALLversal or something
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extremely funny to me that after years of battleboards clawing over each other for dimensional tiering feats, Transformers sidestepped that without having any of it because Bob Skir loved his job too much two decades ago

3 years ago I was skeptical Unicron/Primus could really do much beyond their own multiverse. Stumbling onto "a multiverse? you're thinking in baby steps bro watch this" is what makes this hobby fun. Got to find a really cool story with some absolutely batshit power levels. As stupid as it sounds powerscaling has led me to experiencing dozens of comics and obscure TF stories I would have never went looking for otherwise, and more often than not I've really enjoyed reading them
 
Also because I genuinely love esoteric spiritually influenced storylines so whenever I find more of that in TF it's usually among my favorite aspects of it. It's a writing element I really want to see more creatives in the series include, and I think it's a key reason Transformers has survived so long. The scifi elements are awesome. The character designs are great. But it's the fact that they really have their own culture and mythology that has set them apart from the beginning imo
 
i just always loved how interesting it is to think about that despite being alien robots from space its the idea that they have their own gods and fairy tales, like more than unicron being the ultimate death god of evil i love the little bit from one bio i think that mentions that cybertronians will superstitiously toss a coin over their shoulder if someone even says his name, its the little things to me
 
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