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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Base vs false Shikai could go either way, but I think that Kira would take it.

He's pretty nervous and would probably be more hesitant to go all out in a fight, however, once the fight starts I think he could have the advantage as has shown prominence in Kido and Yumichika's false Shikai isn't anything crazy, it doesn't really do anything special and seeing how immense the gap is between true and false Shikai for Yumichika (even excluding his hax), it makes me wonder if there even is a sizeable stat boost from unleashing the false Shikai.
I’ll give round 1 to Kira simply thanks to Wabisuke.
Great matchup. close barring round 2
Round 1 goes to Yumichika good fight but he's comfortably ahead
I'm...sorry when did we start pretending Yumichika without his true Shikai is even a remote threat to any Lieutenant worth their ass (limited to base or not)? Let alone beating one? Seriously what is with the Division 11 characters and getting wanked to high heaven? :whatisthis

Even WITH his true shikai, Hisagi still confirms there's no way he would beat an opponent who beat Ikkaku. Bear in mind Hisagi doesn't know about Ikkaku's Bankai, so he just means SHIKAI Ikkaku > Yumichika full stop. Shikai Ikkaku is AT BEST low Lieutenant tier.

ANY Base Lieutenant aside from Isane or her sister, fucking curb stomps False Shikai Yumichika with little to no effort.
 

If he aint fast enough then that shit just cant happen. the fuck are you on about my nigga

The entire thread is garbage because they are literally acting like Yoriichi is a match for Iori(SPOILER ALERT: No he isn't, they literally rewrote history itself just to make that garbage true), Yoriichi is now DAA-Servant Tier...

At this point, Spacebattles is hitting maximum delusional status in a fashion I didn't think was possible.

I mean if Yoriichi can fight with Iori(one of the stronger MC in typemoon) then he can at least fight the Roa or Vlov
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I thought this gauntlet is already in order
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Although The full moon is a little too much regen

Roa alone can do some real bullshit thanks to the Remake(though his Original Tsukihime self is no weak link either) so it makes me wonder what insane delusional BS are they just randomly making up at this point?
 
Hansa being shot by 2 different guns was never mentioned. All you said was that he caught assault rifle bullets, and no one provided the feat to me. If he blocked it from two firearms, then it depends a great deal on the specific firearms and the delay between when the two weapons were fired. Looking at Hansa's respect thread, it's a shotgun and a submachine gun. One of them doesn't fire automatically but rather fires a spread of pellets, and the other fires only a single (though faster) bullet. In this case, the speed to react here isn't necessarily much faster than dodging a single bullet from a high-power rifle.

The reason why is because Hansa only has to position himself to avoid the spread of the shotgun. If he's fast enough to dodge the SMG shot, he can dodge into an area of the shotgun spread that means either none or only a few of the shotgun shots would even threaten him. Because the shotgun's RoF is much lower, he doesn't have to worry about it again. At that point, all he has to do is pay attention to and either block or avoid the SMG shots (assuming they can even track his dodge or that the spread of the SMG is tight enough to be that accurate). So it really won't be much faster than, say, someone dodging a spray of SMG shots.

What it does demonstrate is Hansa's battlefield awareness and ability to track and position himself in the face of a large volume of projectiles, but he's mostly dodging rather than catching all of them and only slapping aside a few of them.

A lot is wrong with this; Friendlysociopath already tackled a great deal of this, but you're assuming that Hansa is 800 meters from the shot.

In any case, let's use some real world numbers. The fastest firing SMG (according to a cursory Google) is the MAC-10, which hits 1500 RPM, or 25 rounds per second, or 0.04 seconds per shot. The muzzle velocity of the MAC-10 is 366 m/s for 9mm, meaning that in 0.04 seconds, the round will have traveled 14.64 meters. Hansa, being in nearly close quarters with Jester, is not 15 meters away. This means that the average number of SMG bullets in the air at any time is, in fact, less than one, not this 100 bullets in the air.

Most SMGs aren't going to be exceeding muzzle velocities of the MAC-10, and are going to have a lower fire rate. In general, no SMG on the market will have more than one bullet in the air on average at ranges of under 20 meters.

It's not impossible, but it would require the person dodging the minigun bullets to either be blind or stupid or both. (Also worth noting that rate of fire is not the same as muzzle velocity.) By the time you've dodged one minigun round, the revolver bullet should already be off target because you dodged. Unless you then dodge back into the path of the bullet, you won't have a problem with the revolver rounds at all.

Girl actually insist her points. The points that said that cutting 10k fish is much more impressive than catching bullets, and catching one bullet means the same as catching multiple bullets.
 
Girl actually insist her points. The points that said that cutting 10k fish is much more impressive than catching bullets, and catching one bullet means the same as catching multiple bullets.

A lot is wrong with this; @Friendlysociopath already tackled a great deal of this, but you're assuming that Hansa is 800 meters from the shot.

So they really are that ignorant of the Hard Science and Physics they love to cower behind?



Being 800 Meters and being virtually a few meters apart is no difference between Uzi shots and Shotgun pellets because as @Paxton stated, you would still need to be fast enough to catch each individual pellet and bullet to a far greater speed than just catching one bullet because... there are multiple bullets and pellets being fired at you at once...

Again, if they wonder why VSB and Reddit makes fun of them in addition to us, it's literally being massive hypocrites whenever the situation demands and:


The anime makes it seem like he did it via sword wave/air pressure. He didn't cut them one by one.


That's what they are crowing on about? That hilariously makes the feat even less impressive than what they are desperately pretending means dick. Atleast VSB tried to use the godawful Manga pages for that.

EDIT: At this point, they think they are getting a rise out of us but me? It's hilarious as hell seeing them break the hell down like this and basically going full hypocrite in that they just cannot give stuff like the Nasuverse and Star Wars among other series a break.
It's just the funniest shit imaginable for them to legit prove everything I said about them right.
 
Genya with a shotgun being a legit threat is still one of the funniest things in Demon Slayer.

And they then pretend it's not despite what the story itself states... or my favorite:
Somehow the Shotgun is far more advanced than modern day Shotguns :risigif

It never stops being hilarious on how much they will defend Demon Slayer and just make shit up for it to matter.


Saber's Instinct
a) works on a totally different mechanism (being "true precog" rather than simply perfectly reading someone)

No, Saber's Instinct is literally closer to a Spider-Sense that literally tells her what to do than just a simple "True Precognition" but it's funny Spacebattles constantly goes with just that despite Shinjuku literally having Saber Alter know how to dance because she used Instinct to tell her how. :heston

b) is notably inconsistent in the VN, so her failing to predict TG in advance isn't particular evidence of its inherent unpredictability

Nah, just plot BS(You can easily put it at Shirou is gimping the shit out of her). It basically vanishes from being an issue in every other series she makes an appearance in.

c) works just fine on the attack once it's made and is one of the main reasons she survived it, iirc

No, it still tells her how to win even then if the same move is done again, that's why it also told her how to defeat Kojirou's Tsubame Gaeshi the final time when he fucked up his sword.

In other words, Saber's feats against TG have nothing to do with whether Transparent World would succeed or fail, here, and actually provide some evidence against the idea that there is some magical property preventing the attack from being read or predicted.

Yes because manipulating possibilities somehow means that Transparent World will succeed where Instinct failed... that doesn't even begin to make sense...
 
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Girl actually insist her points. The points that said that cutting 10k fish is much more impressive than catching bullets, and catching one bullet means the same as catching multiple bullets.


Most generous interpretation of the feat, 10,000 slashes, would be like 28,433 m/s or Mach 83.555 from a 1/3rd circumference swing of a 0.8 meter arm in the time it takes to fall an average human body length.

1000 slashes would be Mach 8.356

100 slashes would be transonic
 
See, they’re clearly talking about gunfire as if the spread reflects how they would fire in reality

Problem is, that’s not the spread that was drawn, ergo it’s their prerogative to care, but I certainly don’t

Basically. We literally see multiple spread out pellets meaning Jester most likely fucked with the shotgun he has like Berserker Lancelot, meaning he fired out WAY more rounds than physically possible for any real life gun(Especially since what Jester has is a Pump Handle Shotgun meaning it has to be reloaded before it fires).

So it's exactly the same situation as Berserker Lancelot: Ignore the extremely fantastical elements in favor of trying to peg in real life physics into all of it.
 
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