Game Ranked Grand Theft Auto Mafia

[Ratchet]

Scum don't often whine so openly about soft town reads from town. They know it looks petty. It takes a real villager to bitch and moan about that sort of thing so blatantly.

I don't really agree with this in the context of the player it applies to, but I'm good with this thought process at least. Did you mention having a town read on RDK before that post?

 

[The Orca]

Just got to the Aurelian vote on Ratchet

I feel that's genuine, just a random vote from someone who hasn't read. I played one scum game with Aurelian and he felt more like he was lying low than not having read

Interesting, I don't have the same feeling. Check this one when Aurelian flips

 

[Magic]

You really shouldn't give me credit for this, I'm just naturally insecure

as scum you'll feel insecure about your value to the team and if you can actually help them/avoid hurting them. here you were insecure about the content you were providing and it being made out to be nonsense/gibberish which would lead to you no longer wanting to put forth anything.

Just that you seemed to predicate the push on "if Flower were town, she would definitely think I was town no matter what". Which is something town only says if they legitimately think they're infallible and can do no wrong. I honestly didn't put that sort of statement past you which was why I wasn't saying you were necessarily scum

But
Unvote
for now while I continue to read back

i say that because she feels that way more than i do. i dont think people should just sheep me, but if there are people i think would just sheep me im going to find it sus if they arrive at a point where they're doing the polar opposite of something relatively weak.

 

[Ultra]

I saw him town lead a town to their doom as mafia in champs so I am not so inclined to let him so as he pleases on that front. Let the scum guess.

That's great and all but uh unless you have any objections to Aurelian specifically this is kinda stage performance no

 

[Emil]

I feel the predicate of this case is that Flower would come out of the gate thinking you're town any game, which I don't feel is guaranteed

thats not what he meant, flower comes out of the gate wanting him to be town, not thinking he is one. she just wants to have a strong town player for her to sheep, and tries to comf bias them as town just to satisfy that need. classic woman mindset

 

[Ratchet]

let me do some wifom if you dont mind. im aware of how last game went, im aware that i could act emboldened and use last game and being ignored as a reason to dictate the phase. im aware i could even use it as an advantage against ultra at this moment and, again, use the leverage of last game to try to gain some advantage in it. as scum i could easily utilize all this to my own advantage to direct towards a mislynch of my choose, even the ultra hard mode(get it hehehe) of a strong town player. it's not like im unaware of any of this. im not exactly caught off guard by you feeling this way or if others are and as scum it would be in my best interest to use it to my advantage.

as town there is no advantage to it. i was much more sure of ultra being scum last game than this game. there are still things he's doing in this game that i like(for example the polar/orca consideration that they're both too easily being town read and there could be some reasoning behind that). that isn't to say i agree with it, but those types of considerations are done by town players/town ultra. thunderdomming ultra if im not sure he's scum just hurts town if im wrong.

as far as being emboldened goes, do you get emboldened? you might say in the moment youre emboldened and next game you'll lead without conceding or cooperating or deferring but are any of these actual optimal plays? ill go as far as saying the chances are they could easily be optimal for me to do, but the cost is likely people's moods/section health state/etc. rather than be emboldened because i was right and didnt get my way blah blah blah, the other take away from the game was it was off-putting and too inflammatory and it's preferable to fix that than try to get my way in a mafia game because i think im better. i also dont really get emboldened due to playing this game for about 13 years now and for most of that time already thinking my way>your way.

you might find this overly/unnecessarily wordy, but i dont like people(and it's something they often do) trying to direct me towards a path im not interested in and yet it regularly happens. with you early last game, in the previous game with town gram who i was scum reading with gad then voting gad and people(that all ended up as town) tried pushing me towards gram instead.

that's fair and similar to how i play so i cant really call it out.

why cant he be scum that doesnt know what's going on though? not suggesting that he is, but im wondering why youre concluding that isn't a possibility.

Good response.

 

[Achromatic]

let me do some wifom if you dont mind. im aware of how last game went, im aware that i could act emboldened and use last game and being ignored as a reason to dictate the phase. im aware i could even use it as an advantage against ultra at this moment and, again, use the leverage of last game to try to gain some advantage in it. as scum i could easily utilize all this to my own advantage to direct towards a mislynch of my choose, even the ultra hard mode(get it hehehe) of a strong town player. it's not like im unaware of any of this. im not exactly caught off guard by you feeling this way or if others are and as scum it would be in my best interest to use it to my advantage.

as town there is no advantage to it. i was much more sure of ultra being scum last game than this game. there are still things he's doing in this game that i like(for example the polar/orca consideration that they're both too easily being town read and there could be some reasoning behind that). that isn't to say i agree with it, but those types of considerations are done by town players/town ultra. thunderdomming ultra if im not sure he's scum just hurts town if im wrong.

as far as being emboldened goes, do you get emboldened? you might say in the moment youre emboldened and next game you'll lead without conceding or cooperating or deferring but are any of these actual optimal plays? ill go as far as saying the chances are they could easily be optimal for me to do, but the cost is likely people's moods/section health state/etc. rather than be emboldened because i was right and didnt get my way blah blah blah, the other take away from the game was it was off-putting and too inflammatory and it's preferable to fix that than try to get my way in a mafia game because i think im better. i also dont really get emboldened due to playing this game for about 13 years now and for most of that time already thinking my way>your way.

you might find this overly/unnecessarily wordy, but i dont like people(and it's something they often do) trying to direct me towards a path im not interested in and yet it regularly happens. with you early last game, in the previous game with town gram who i was scum reading with gad then voting gad and people(that all ended up as town) tried pushing me towards gram instead.

that's fair and similar to how i play so i cant really call it out.

why cant he be scum that doesnt know what's going on though? not suggesting that he is, but im wondering why youre concluding that isn't a possibility.

He could be. So an important thing to understand about me is I like to make decisions day 1 and see what happens. See how the game feels. People imo get too caught up with all of the possibilities of 'could they be scum' but especially early I like 'what are they more likely to be' with rand % being the baseline. So if it's 50/50 that's actually scum indicative since there are more town. Using lazy math I would say 85-90% of the time when I see someone solving in a way that shows earnestness but also a poor understanding of thread state that is town. That's not bulletproof. I can't bet the game on it. There are exceptions. But it's above rand so it's a good place to start constructing a world for day 1 imo

 

[hime]

can someone sus me or something idk, play with me live
im having so much trouble trying to retain anything im reading

 

[Magic]

I thought luka said you were good at the game. Maybe I need to rethink this.

Kmaybe treat you like like the ultra. He gets people wrong he gets hung

i didnt know you respected ultra so much as a player

 

[Emil]

So who is scum then Sky?

Let's say Ekko, where's the obsessive high poster Ekko? 5 posts of fluff and then nothing

big oof post

whats status report on sky @Boobies ? is this wano game sky again?

 

[Achromatic]

That's great and all but uh unless you have any objections to Aurelian specifically this is kinda stage performance no

Most of my game is stage performance of a sort. It helps me solve. You may do as you like although I don't find the slot interesting.

 

[hime]

No, I never said I liked it. I made a joke about voting Ultra better, nothing else. This is just blatantly misrepping my play.

u liked the post aka thumbs up'd it

 

[Sky]

Gonna say Magic is straight up town now from what I've seen

I doubt he'd be this sure about my alignment as scum, he'd probably play it a bit more safe to allow for a [press in case of scum emergency] ML later down the line

 

[Emil]

if ur best lead at that point is an inactive i suggest sending u to dead chat tbdean

feel like u just made that read for the sake of making a read, its just tossed out there with no second thought. anything but a null on me at that stage is fake territory

down to cap sky

 

[Magic]

He could be. So an important thing to understand about me is I like to make decisions day 1 and see what happens. See how the game feels. People imo get too caught up with all of the possibilities of 'could they be scum' but especially early I like 'what are they more likely to be' with rand % being the baseline. So if it's 50/50 that's actually scum indicative since there are more town. Using lazy math I would say 85-90% of the time when I see someone solving in a way that shows earnestness but also a poor understanding of thread state that is town. That's not bulletproof. I can't bet the game on it. There are exceptions. But it's above rand so it's a good place to start constructing a world for day 1 imo

i dont disagree with your approach but with the context of meta, which you obviously dont have, the application of some of the general tells youre using aren't really accurate for the individual.

i.e. ekko as scum isnt going to pretend to know what's going on when he shouldn't. i actually disagree with your idea that it's something scum players often do as id wager it's more along something a weak scum player will slip up on(knowing things they'd otherwise be unaware about or should be unaware about either due to their inactivity or due to their stated lack of being caught up for certain portions of the game).

anyways this is convo isn't really going anywhere useful, but ill give you a town read for your approach as it comes off as the town approach in a new environment. (a new scum player that's experienced could easily use their lack of meta knowledge to fence sit all the town reads they give out or not give them in the first place but achromatic is not even bothering to state that they could be wrong until asked and hasn't used a lack of knowledge of meta to stop from eliminating players from his poe).

 

[Ultra]

Most of my game is stage performance of a sort. It helps me solve. You may do as you like although I don't find the slot interesting.

Eh not a fan of this

I feel like you made a tossaway observation that I was claim fishing and aren't particularly invested in solving either Me/Aurelian, in conjunction this feels like the kind of soapboxing you might do if you had TMI.

 

[Achromatic]

if ur best lead at that point is an inactive i suggest sending u to dead chat tbdean

feel like u just made that read for the sake of making a read, its just tossed out there with no second thought. anything but a null on me at that stage is fake territory

down to cap sky

As we all know scum tend to be the ones who throw ideas out without careful planning as a general rule.

...?

 

[hime]

Oh I know.

No I mean he focused on that so I responded to that.

I expect a case in the morning!

i just said i dont have a case
just an elaborated read

 

[Magic]

can someone sus me or something idk, play with me live
im having so much trouble trying to retain anything im reading

i didnt like how you made a big reads list and weren't going to vote anywhere before going to bed until asked. seemed hesitant.

 

[Sky]

it was a shit read like most of your reads so far

Does shit reads necessarily = scum tho? Town are inherently less informed than scum especially D1, of course town's reads will be weaker