Kiara Sessyion VS Kamen Rider OOOs

[Cryso Agori]

Who wins?

Cross scaling allowed

standard OBD rules.

 

[Aurelian]

What exactly is "cross scaling"?

 

[Cryso Agori]

Cross scaling OOO's to other riders through movies and other stuff.

 

[Aurelian]

That would naturally occur with normal powerscaling anyways since most of the crossover movies from Decade x Den-O are canon.

 

[Cryso Agori]

That would naturally occur with normal powerscaling anyways since most of the crossover movies from Decade x Den-O are canon.

Didn't Zi-O retcon those though? With the entire the rider worlds are actually separate plot point?

Edit: Decade did the same thing as well. Making the rider worlds separate existences.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Who wins?

Cross scaling allowed

standard OBD rules.

So... are we including CCC Kiara in this or what alongside FGO?

That would naturally occur with normal powerscaling anyways since most of the crossover movies from Decade x Den-O are canon.

What precisely can Kamen Riders do?

 

[Cryso Agori]

We're using CCC Kiara.

 

[Aurelian]

Didn't Zi-O retcon those though? With the entire the rider worlds are actually separate plot point?

Edit: Decade did the same thing as well. Making the rider worlds separate existences.

Zi-Oh didn't retcon it.

Decade established there is a multiverse and all the Rider Worlds are interconnected as parallel universes to each other, the AR worlds (Alternate Rider/Alternate Reality) of the Heisei Riders for AR Kuuga to AR Kiva aren't the same as the real Kuuga and Kiva; i.e. we saw the real Kenzakai Kazuma appear to beat up and humiliate Tsukasa right after AR Kazuma got hakai'd and his world of AR Blade temporarily erased.

Also after this, please consider this an official statement that you need to take a moratorium on making any variation of vs threads involving Fate/Type-Moon.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Please, I actually want to make a thread on Fate without the chance of it being banned for good here?
Where the hell is DBZ vs. something for pete sake

We're using CCC Kiara.

Okay then, she's Solar System with the ability to chuck people across the Galaxy on sheer whim and that was while she was held back considerably on multiple factors.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Okay then, she's Solar System with the ability to chuck people across the Galaxy on sheer whim and that was while she was held back considerably on multiple factors.

Seriously? I thought she was planetary, okay then how powerful is FGo Kiara, I don't want this to be a stomp.

Zi-Oh didn't retcon it.

I thought the entire premise was that the Rider Worlds were fusing because Swartz?

Decade established there is a multiverse and all the Rider Worlds are interconnected as parallel universes to each other, the AR worlds (Alternate Rider/Alternate Reality) of the Heisei Riders for AR Kuuga to AR Kiva aren't the same as the real Kuuga and Kiva; i.e. we saw the real Kenzakai Kazuma appear to beat up and humiliate Tsukasa right after AR Kazuma got hakai'd and his world of AR Blade temporarily erased.

What about this then?

Onore Dikeido dude here is referring to the riders as coming from their own worlds.

So are these not the real riders then?

Also after this, please consider this an official statement that you need to take a moratorium on making any variation of vs threads involving Fate/Type-Moon.

Alright.

Where the hell is DBZ vs. something for pete sake

Sorry, I've never watched DBZ.

 

[Vespa Crabro]

Dickaids worlds are explicitly different than the other riders worlds hence why they’re called alternate riders.

Fang/Hunter explained it here:

Decade established there is a multiverse and all the Rider Worlds are interconnected as parallel universes to each other, the AR worlds (Alternate Rider/Alternate Reality) of the Heisei Riders for AR Kuuga to AR Kiva aren't the same as the real Kuuga and Kiva; i.e. we saw the real Kenzakai Kazuma appear to beat up and humiliate Tsukasa right after AR Kazuma got hakai'd and his world of AR Blade temporarily erased.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Dickaids worlds are explicitly different than the other riders worlds hence why they’re called alternate riders.

Yes he already told me that, I was wondering if the riders in the images I showed were the real riders or AR Riders.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Seriously? I thought she was planetary, okay then how powerful is FGo Kiara, I don't want this to be a stomp.

No, Both Kiara's is Solar System Minimum due to scaling to Saver and Boddhisvata equally scale to him:
Fate/EXTRA material - Encyclopedia: All the World's Desire [Noble Phantasm], p.158-159

All the World's Desire [Noble Phantasm]
Angra Mainyu/CCC.
This is the anti-planetary Noble Phantasm Kiara gains after her reincarnation.
Angra Mainyu is the most self-serving heinous Noble Phantasm of them all where Kiara uses the world to masturbate.
Kiara offers her body in a sexual manner to all living things on Earth, including humans, animals, and plants. By completely accepting all people as is she gains the greatest possible mastery over their senses and carnality.
This Noble Phantasm is derided for being demonic and it’s similar to the living sacrifices used for certain artificial magic ceremonies used the past in order to prove the evil of humans.
It is a vortex of pleasure that melts all sentient beings, and digests their “life” in an instant. While in reality it all happens in an instant, but it feels like an eternity of pleasure.
Regardless of how different the structure of a beings intelligence may be, this vortex affects all without exception. It is not a Noble Phantasm that is limited to affect only those on Earth.
The damage increases if certain conditions are met.
If the target is of the opposite sex, the damage increases.
The more intelligent a being is, the more damage it does.
As far as the setting and lore are concerned, the Servant who would be hit with the least damage would be Archer, and Gilgamesh would be damaged the most.
The reason why this attack’s power, visuals, and scale are so huge is because reincarnated Kiara is a being similar to Saver.
People who devote their life to bringing salvation to Sattvas (living things) are referred to as Bodhisattvas. People who have attained moksha (libertation/release) and become Buddhas are also Bodhisattvas. A Bodhisattva is a god of universe scale and power, and can easily manage things on the scale of the Solar System.
Buddhism has a sense of scale of the universe that stands out from that of other religions. There are concepts like Nayuta (1060) and “The Infinitely Vast Number” (1068) which were created to represent the scale and size of a Buddha.
The entire universe is the domain of a Buddha. In Buddhism the universe in considered to be made up of three billion solar systems (a great trichiliocosm). A galaxy comprises of 3000 solar systems (a small trichiliocosm), and 1000 small trichiliocosms make up a trichiliocosm.
This actually aligns with the real scale of galaxies, galaxy clusters, and super clusters.
India had this stuff figured out over 2000 years ago? Holy crap!
In the initial design phase of the game I submitted some paperwork describing this Noble Phantasm. I thought there would be no way that this gets by CERO untouched, but surprisingly enough it did.
I still have no idea how this was able to make it past them.

This later fits with how strong various Beasts are even at minimum levels.
And Kiara in CCC would be even stronger if she wasn't gimped by her personality, BB, Meltryllis and the other Sakura 5 rebelling against her and Han's Noble Phantasm didn't attain it's full effect.

 

[Vespa Crabro]

Yes he already told me that, I was wondering if the riders in the images I showed were the real riders or AR Riders.

Just because they’re called the same doesn’t mean they Are the same

decades kiva is a small 10 year old boy and his kuuga is an insult to the heisei show

 

[Aurelian]

Seriously? I thought she was planetary, okay then how powerful is FGo Kiara, I don't want this to be a stomp.


I thought the entire premise was that the Rider Worlds were fusing because Swartz?



What about this then?

Onore Dikeido dude here is referring to the riders as coming from their own worlds.

So are these not the real riders then?


Alright.


Sorry, I've never watched DBZ.

AR Worlds

The Nine AR Worlds of Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade, Hibiki, Kabuto, Den-O, and Kiva, plus the World of Nega Riders, World of Monsters, and a few others. Then there are different worlds in All Riders vs Dai Shocker.

Its not the same.

AR Riders are explicitly from different worlds and are different versions of the original nine Heisei Riders.

Hence real Blade = ! = AR Blade
Hence real Kiva = ! = AR Kiva

etc...

Zi-Oh was more about alternating different timelines while Decade was about alternate and parallel universes. And the screencaps you posted are from the TV series with the AR Riders.

 

[Aurelian]

Just because they’re called the same doesn’t mean they Are the same

decades kiva is a small 10 year old boy and his kuuga is an insult to the heisei show

Also the real Kiva serves as Decade's "narrator" and guide to him being a Kamen Rider, then AR Kiva shows up as a little kid from his own AR world, not too mention the Undead being fully killable in AR Blade's world or how AR Kuuga's major secondary protagonist was genderbent into a woman

The novel adaptions of Decade involve him going to the real Heisei Rider worlds where he gets the shit kicked out of him by Tendou for example, the REAL Tendou, not AR Tendou aka SOUJI

 

[Cryso Agori]

decades kiva is a small 10 year old boy and his kuuga is an insult to the heisei show

Wow. okay.

So then if CCC Kiara is a stomp would FGO Kiara be a fairer fight?

I've watched the OOO's series but I've never watched the movies with him other than the Heisei Generations Build x Ex-Aid crossover with him.

If I remember correctly his best feat outside of scaling is the one where he goes through the earth's core to power up his rider kick right?

 

[Cryso Agori]

Zi-Oh was more about alternating different timelines while Decade was about alternate and parallel universes.

Wait, but aren't the Riders in Zi-O explicitly the real ones?

 

[Vespa Crabro]

The riders in zi o are the real ones because zi o takes place post each respective riders show. Once an another rider is created it retcons the events of the show until the another rider is defeated. The only exception is kabuto where mizushima doesn’t show up as tendou because toei are a bunch of cucks so the burden falls on kagami/gattack instead

eternal is also from another alternate world but he got a broken ass powerup to make up for it.

Anyway for the main topic:
Eiji has: combo spam via gatakiriba so he can use all of his alternate forms and finishers at once

freezing/absolute zero via putotyra ice breath/scream
Dimensional fuckery with his medaljaibur

super speed with latoratah
And most importantly he shuts down kiaras desire based mindfuck since eiji has no desires of his own

 

[Aurelian]

Wow. okay.

So then if CCC Kiara is a stomp would FGO Kiara be a fairer fight?

I've watched the OOO's series but I've never watched the movies with him other than the Heisei Generations Build x Ex-Aid crossover with him.

If I remember correctly his best feat outside of scaling is the one where he goes through the earth's core to power up his rider kick right?

I have no idea what CCC Kiara can do.

Wait, but aren't the Riders in Zi-O explicitly the real ones?

Yes but you were being explained by us that the main 9 worlds in Decade involve the AR Heisei Riders, not the real 9 Heisei Riders or their worlds along with several other worlds. Zi-Oh involves the real Riders. Its the same shit with the AR Riders like in Kamen Rider Gaim's standalone movie where there are Buujin versions of Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade, Hibiki, Kabuto, Den-O, Kiva, Decade, Double, OOOs, Fourze, and Wizard.

You have the real Riders making themselves explicitly contrasted from the AR Counterparts in Decade.
Or again with the real Heisei Riders showing up in Wizard's final 2 episodes when fighting Adadum. And like Zi-Oh.