I was hoping more for reasons tbh
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Do you think thats what hes done this game?
He‘s done it at the time I made this read. And his focus is still on players I‘d expect it to be on.
You got here after insisting that his responses increasing my suspicion implies I was providing him an opportunity for him to ease it. But that's basically a tautology, if he does something townie of course I would dial back my scum read.
Well, hes talking about ratchet in that post???
What? Town Prof focuses on the people I mentioned. And he did it when I made my initial read. And his focus on Ratchet and tinfoiling him is also something he does as Town. Am I speaking Chinese or something? You seemingly don’t understand a single point I make today.
Not mentioning the guy who you are presenting as 100% scum reading and not voting him is suspect, yes. You did something similar last game.
The justification for your claim also just happens to be his only plausible alibi. No reason for you to act too good to elaborate.
Yeah im asking you what you consider townie enough to openly reconsider?
I didnt insist on anything, these are your words and criteria, not mine
Like i said, my position here is that the case presented doesnt correlate with the certainty with which it was pressed - you yourself said that it was his responses that sealed it, so i just wanna know what he possibly could have done to change your mind? This of course assumes hes scum etc
So I did think yesterday Ultra (and Ekko) were more certain that I was fully on board with. But I'm not seeing the scum angle for them here in light of what has transpired since - Ultra subbed in, I think it's very plausible then that he saw behaviour he didn't like, pushed it half to see how his quarry would react, and then said reaction further emboldened him. So my takeaway would be I have no actual issue with Ultra's play around Poyser and think they're demonstrably not aligned.
Youre aware that time has passed since you made that read right?
Your last sentence is entirely correct
My point on Prof is that I see him as either Town or Indie.
In a Mafia Poyser world he‘s also unlikely to be aligned with him. While Poyser would push Prof like that, Prof wouldn’t make a half assed push back like this. You can play scum theatre with him. They‘d have more of a play together.
In a Mafia Poyser world he‘s also unlikely to be aligned with him. While Poyser would push Prof like that, Prof wouldn’t make a half assed push back like this. You can play scum theatre with him. They‘d have more of a play together.
Ill ask you the same question - what kind of reaction do you think could have changed ultras mind? Im aware this isnt an entirely fair question to ask a third party, but id ask you to try nonetheless
I just told you what he could have done - basically anything that shows genuine follow through as opposed to what he actually did in asking the audience permission to push me
So several things wrong with this. First, the takeaway that I "bussed Fang for no reason" is a complete misrepresentation, I would go as far as to say a complete fabrication actually, of how it actually transpired. You also wilfully ignore the actual issue I presented with Prof- that his paranoia came across as ingenuine. Prof knows that, as Town, he is expected to be paranoid of my slot to a point. There is always a logical reason underpinning this, because Prof is a logical player. Here, I found his paranoia to be more akin to trying to play into expectations people would have of him, as opposed to something he actually believes, because his reasoning lacks some basic considerations that I would expect of him.
Lastly, Melkor raised the anti bussing thing because he didn't understand that I qualified my statement as "in this format". Thus, using a game that explicitly wasn't under this format (unranked heavy role madness, to be clear) is irrelevant to the comment I made. (This is also addressing what you said @Lord Melkor)
Now, I can reconcile Melkor missing this. But you only commented on the post off the back of what Melkor said, so I would assume as Town you would be reading the context, and as a result, you have no excuse.
I'm going to need an explanation for all three points Flower, because it's difficult for me to reconcile this as genuine.
Time isn’t relevant when I checked this thread yesterday and I‘m still in the process of getting into this day today. I haven’t read everything, but from what I‘ve read my mind hasn’t changed yet.
I think i need to look at prof again, my instincts around him all point negatively
I mean, I think Ultra is very stubborn as tiw and does not change course easily, I said this ti him last game in the dead chat, so my answer would be, probably not much. Would require Poyser to be very transparently town I think for him to overlook what he was onto early.