Transformers feats/discussion

Optimus Prime 654 said:

@OtherGalaxy @Thirteen prime @grillmaster seems like Prima's Matrix IS the Origin Matrix since it does resemble the artifact itself. Though one thing weird I find is that Mark called it either "Creation Matrix" or "Matrix Of Leadership" which idk why he called it the Creation Matrix since like that was smth one of the Galvatron toys retconned the Creation and Of Leadership Matrix into one distinct, seperate artifact (with the Creation Matrix being the Green Matrix). I think they called it "Creation Matrix" is because of Marvel G1???? or rather they called it The Matrix of Leadership mainly because of Aligned synergy since it does also have the Star Saber as it's hilt???
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Thirteen prime said:

I'm not sure if this can be used given that it's not implied in the show itself, so at best I'd limit it to city/mountain level given that the Star Saber can cut through mountains and destroy megaton asteroids, though in Covenant of Primus it could damage Unicron.

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I mean we are talking TFP as a whole sooooo. Idk if I find that Unicron damaging thing valuable since the Thirteen were using PRIMUS' aid to beat Unicron (was said in that episode where Optimus was explaining the history and some of the mentions in the novels)

Thirteen prime said:

Covenant of Primus and several other sources have also established that the Requiem Blaster has a mass and density comparable to a small star.

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Yeah ik. Even the primes feared it, so you can scale the Requiem Blaster above the Matrix or other artifacts and the Thirteen themselves since the Requiem was the strongest artifact which again the primes feared it.

Optimus Prime 654 said:

I mean we are talking TFP as a whole sooooo. Idk if I find that Unicron damaging thing valuable since the Thirteen were using PRIMUS' aid to beat Unicron (was said in that episode where Optimus was explaining the history and some of the mentions in the novels)

Yeah ik. Even the primes feared it, so you can scale the Requiem Blaster above the Matrix or other artifacts and the Thirteen themselves since the Requiem was the strongest artifact which again the primes feared it.

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Unicron in Covenant of Primus can tear moons apart with his bare hands, destroy planets and absorb suns, and withstand a shot from the Requiem Blaster, which can destroy huge asteroids, use the sound waves of quasars, the energy of supernovas and the gravity of black holes, which is already quite a lot.

Thirteen prime said:

Unicron in Covenant of Primus can tear moons apart with his bare hands, destroy planets and absorb suns, and withstand a shot from the Requiem Blaster, which can destroy huge asteroids, use the sound waves of quasars, the energy of supernovas and the gravity of black holes, which is already quite a lot.

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The Requiem Blaster even draws power from stars, spacetime and black holes which are enough to destroy mountains and whole planets

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By the way, who else remembers and knows this?https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...mers_IDW_-_Impactor_survives_a_ship_exploding

Vector's powers with Slash can rip holes in space-time to gain access to history.

the Halo Of Primus.

and we know from the E-Hobby character cards. The Throne of the Primes is connected to the Halo of Primus and this concept means all the remaining twelve primes' powers are united into one core.

Optimus Prime 654 said:

Vector's powers with Slash can rip holes in space-time to gain access to history.
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Optimus Prime 654 said:

the Halo Of Primus.
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and we know from the E-Hobby character cards. The Throne of the Primes is connected to the Halo of Primus and this concept means all the remaining twelve primes' powers are united into one core.

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@OtherGalaxy @Thirteen prime @grillmaster thoughts?

@grillmaster
Dude, I just remembered that if the core of the earth in the Transformers Prime is made of dark energon, then that gives a decent durability for dark energon, right?

D void is an extradimensional entity that has nearly destroyed all of creation, and it is implied several times that it could destroy the entire universe if it merged with it, essentially crushing the two universes into each other.

Dead Universe/D void is the void beyond all universes I think, and you can probably get into it from anywhere and get out anywhere, although this is not really an indicator of its power.
Avatar D void/Deceptigod is implied to be powerful enough to destroy an entire planet at least considering Arcee's statement that if he were to destroy a planet, a planet-sized portal would subsequently open through which D void would pass into the living universe and then merge with the normal universe, destroying and killing everything.

The last scan also implies that D void/Heart of darkness manipulates not only the mind but also the spark of transformers, although sometimes the spark performs these two functions at the same time, so soul manipulation is likely.

Thirteen prime said:

Dead Universe/D void is the void beyond all universes I think, and you can probably get into it from anywhere and get out anywhere, although this is not really an indicator of its power.View attachment 4402

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This was something AvP retconned since other universes view the DU as a pocket universe and having unsual properties, meaning it won't scale to the multiverse since the DU has nothing to do with it. The DU has no universal stream I'm aware since again, Vector said the IDW universe has a pocket dimension which is the DU. I think iirc in the same comic, D-Void was said to mix all universes, but the problem is we don't know the certain circumstances of it and we won't know how would the living universe do that.

But yeah, I can agree that D-Void is a beyond time and space entity since the DU is atleast the living void beyond the main universe since anyone can die on it.

OtherGalaxy said:

it wouldn’t even scale to the multiverse based on its idw feats even without the avp retcon. Galvatron talking about it being behind universes is in reference to Gorlam Prime being a gateway to it. D-Void is only ever a direct threat to one universe at a time in those comics.

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I mean that AvP thing was a permanent retcon and we will count for it even though the Heart of Darkness comic was before AvP. That and it wasn't stated right after that the DU scales to the multiverse.

Decepticon hunter is a very powerful weapon capable of breaking through the barrier between the dimensional from the Shadow zone to normal reality.

decepticon hunters are so busted its kind of ridiculous, you can just imagine them to be a stronger weapon

grillmaster said:

decepticon hunters are so busted its kind of ridiculous, you can just imagine them to be a stronger weapon

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By the way, you seemed to be discussing the durability of Megatronus? I think we can take the fact that it can withstand the explosion of a space bridge at point-blank range, although given that its energy was dissipated due to the device, but this probably does not apply to Megatronus at the epicenter, the explosion of a faulty space bridge threatened to create a phenomenon similar to a black hole that could either seriously damage or destroy the entire planet.