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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

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Masterblack06 said:
Itadori would probably be the hardest one to fight out of the 3. Just raw unga bunga and damage soak out the ass
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The older Kotomine was able to hurt Shirou despite his body being made out of Swords to the point he was able to block attacks from The Shadow, a being able to easily kill Servants and insta-gib humans.
Itadori better have some damn good internals because Super Bajiquan ain't no joke.
 
Has no business fighting Kirei

Kotomine's best feats come from FSN, well out of his prime. His FZ incarnation gives him his best accolades from the Einzbern Consultation Room.

Here, a combination of Kirei’s Bajiquan and the Command Spells (able to be used to explosively strengthen his muscle power by using 1, its akin to Artoria’s Mana Burst) he inherited from his father would allow Kotomine to defeat Assassin Servants whose presence were revealed or Caster Servants in close combat (contextually, probably would refer to any Assassin reliant on Presence Concealment [Cursed Arm Hassan, One Hundred Face Hassan] or Caster [Medea, Gilles de Rais, Nursery Rhyme, and Tamamo no Mae] that existed before September 19, 2012 [when the last Einzbern Consultation Room first aired]).

Here, to defeat a Servant specialized for hand to hand combat, Kotomine would need something like the element of surprise or suitability (the implication being its probably not a lack of power holding him back).
 
Kirei Kotomine vs Shirou Emiya

Day 16 (HF)

Here, Shirou senses no magical energy from the dying Kotomine. Here, Kotomine without magic is far stronger than Shirou even after EMIYA's arm has improved his body. Here, Shirou reasserts Kotomine without magical energy is much stronger than himself despite EMIYA's arm altering his body.

Here, Shirou asserts Kotomine will smash his head in if he tries to take the time to project (contextually, the Excalibur Morgan he needs to off the Grail/Angra Mainyu). Here, strength enters Kotomine's body. This fight won't involve magic, skill, or strategy. Just a brawl. Here, Kotomine dashes at Shirou, Shirou's unable to do this himself anymore. Here, Shirou punches full force at Kotomine, Kotomine dodges and Shirou ends up being hit by Kotomine. Here, Kotomine's still fast enough to disappear from Shirou's vision.

Here, Kotomine punches Shirou's stomach and kicks up at Shirou's body. Here, Kotomine's kick is strong enough to inflict Shirou with pain great enough to almost knock him unconscious. Here, Kotomine's kick sent Shirou meters into the air, would have been able to rip his head off. The second blow to his stomach was strong enough to pulverize Shirou's organs. Here, Kotomine uses Super Bajiquan to damage Shirou's insides through striking his outsides. Here, Kotomine uses a palm strike, the attack pierces through Shirou's sword armor to his insides.

Here, All of Shirou's attacks have been dodged or parried, all of Kotomine's have landed cleanly. Here, Shirou blocks Kotomine's punch aimed for his head. Shirou's head isn't made of swords yet and will end the fight for him if hit there. Here, Kotomine strikes Shirou with a kick, Kotomine's fists are pulverizing Shirou's body. EMIYA's arm desperately tries to heal Shirou's body with swords. Here, the more Shirou is struck by Kotomine, the more his Left arm turns his body into swords to repair the damage. Here, Shirou dodges one of Kotomine's punches, Shirou punches Kotomine, Kotomine repel's Shirou's punch. Here, Kotomine punches Shirou, despite being numbed to all pain but EMIYA's arm Kotomine's attack hurt and sent Shirou almost flying off the cliff. Here, Kotomine deflected Shirou's next punch and blows Shirou away with his counterattack.

About Shirou?


Kirei Kotomine vs Cursed Arm Hassan

Here, Kotomine parries Hassan's thrown dirk. Here, Hassan fires off 3 dirks like bullets, Kotomine easily knocks them all aside with his Black Keys. Here, Kotomine's available weapons to fight Hassan are 10 Black Keys (5 for each hand) and a Command Spell left over from the 4th Grail War. Here, Kotomine's Black Keys clash with the thrown dirks of Hassan. Here, Kotomine deflects Hassan's thrown dirks.

Here, exposition on how Hassan uses his thrown Dirks to measure an opponent's skill. Here, Kotomine has forced Hassan to use 20 Dirks already. Each Dirk is thrown with intent to kill, but Kotomine has blocked them all. Hassan is impressed by Kotomine's powers. Here, Kotomine's stamina is drained from fighting Hassan, all 7 Black Keys Kotomine threw at Hassan were dodged. Here, Hassan throws 3 dirks at Kotomine's temple, pancreas, and diaphragm, Kotomine deflects them all.

Here, Hassan attacks with his Zabaniya. Here, Kotomine throws his Black Keys at Hassan as his Cursed Arm moves towards Kotomine. Here, Kotomine's Black Keys are thrown with enough force to pierce Hassan, thus inflict him injury, and stick to the tree behind him. Here, Kotomine's Black Keys hit Hassan with enough force to hurl Hassan backwards, nail him to the tree, and seal Hassan's movements. Here, Kotomine's Black Keys nailing Hassan to the tree, despite basically only being a scratch to Hassan, make it impossible for him to save Zouken.
 

As ChaosTheory basically put it, they have no business even thinking any of the Trio has a chance.
A Man out of his prime being able to compete with a Servant at all longer than being immediately insta-gibbed(Against Cursed Arm) or in his prime being able to fight a Servant head on with just Command Spell boosts is also well out of their league.

When you have Hansa, a person able to reduce a huge slab of rock to dust while it's right in his face, say that the Burial Agency is out of his league(And Kotomine is a Top Executor, potentially capable of being in there), JJK should NOT be fighting this man.
(http://imgur.com/a/hTq7pYC)
 
Darth Nihilus said:
How strong is the Naserverse as a whole?
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I believe it gets up to galaxy level for now, maybe universal depending on how you interpret a couple of statements.

Kirei stacks up to low tier Servants (iirc) who are at the very LEAST mountain level, so the JJK trio get creamed.
 
Darth Nihilus said:
How strong is the Naserverse as a whole?
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It ultimately depends as it's basically a hierarchy between certain beings and ultimately how the Universe works.
Basically it's a Multiverse(With basically each Celestial Object having it's own set of timelines and parallel Universes to work with... potentially, it could even be a Megaverse with a leaning on the Multiverse aspect because of it and it's usage of Tricholocosm)

No character fights anything close to that or Universal though, the most powerful reach Galaxy in terms of power and ability but a good number are primarily Large Planetary+ and bursts of FTL with High Microsecond - Low Nanosecond reaction time with plenty of hax due to the nature of the Laws of Physics and Causality around each Celestial Object.
 
Reason being is I'm going to start looking into other series other than what I've already known and I feel that everyone else should pick up that same idea. I've also been wanting to incorporate other series into our streams as well. I really don't know where to start, or does it matter?
 
Masterblack06 said:
I was just about to post this in response to CT and Xhominids posts. SB will never look at those feats and accept them, they will downplay nasuverse into oblivion
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We know and that's why they are ultimately nobodies...
Any feat they do see, they try and pretend that it's either non-canon for reasons(When no Nasuverse work is non-canon, not even the Capsule Servant games) or it's another timeline and thus can't be used for any actual feats(When the Throne of Heroes is outside time and space and technically all the adaptations are actually the Alternative Timelines and Parallel Universes I was talking about so those ARE canon, that's why Nasu even explains the differences between the Anime and VN).

It's funny considering Joker, a Dead Apostle that's potentially weaker than Dead Apostle Noel, can easily chuck a Car at Hansa AND run up a Building by the time Hansa stopped it and even catch up to him... but nah, Kotomine doesn't match any of the shit he does despite Hansa seeing himself as inferior to where Kotomine is.
(http://imgur.com/a/JHgsAm8) (http://imgur.com/a/3VCfbxT)
 
It's actually insane how even with these low-end feats (which the trio doesn't really outmatch last I checked), they'd STILL think Kirei loses.
 

Kiara Sessyoin (Fate) vs Gauntlet

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How would Kiara fair against NeoAcacia now that I think about it

Though she's certainly not beating the Shrike. Then again, I don't think the Shrike can win either. Independent Manifestation kinda hard counters most of it's arsenal.
 

Well, I would say that it wouldn't matter where to start... but it sadly kinda does.
The first thing to start with Fate/Stay Night is primarily the VN. The various Anime does make the feats and fighting work but ALOT of the character context is not there(which makes Shirou come off unhinged and alot of the character depth isn't there).

Fate/Zero is another prospect but the LN and Anime take... liberties to the point Nasu doesn't see them as the primary timeline(primarily Saber is nothing like she is in Stay Night and the dynamics with Kiritsugu is changed among other things) but it can work if you really want how most Holy Grail Wars are just fucked up. And the Manga is... holy shit, do not read it unless you really want to see them go full Adult with it.

Fate/Apocrypha is good if you really want some decent action and is basically massively different than the LN(Which is still majorly untranslated) but still gets the decent beats out there. The biggest flaw is that Sieg can absolutely make you feel that he's wasting time that can be explored with the other Servant pairs(Like Kairi and Mordred) and the romance between him and Jeanne can feel... forced.

Fate/Extra is getting a remake but there is no release date for it yet and it's Sequel CCC isn't translated. Extella and Extella Link are good standalone titles and the former actually gives you a massive but well done exposition on how the timelines in the Universe work but otherwise, it's a Warrior's type game so if you want to play those...

Fate/Grand Order is basically Baby's First Fate. It's the Gacha Game and yeah... but it surprisingly tells you alot about the mechanics and otherwise all in one place without going too much in it's own ass. I recommend if you want to do that, just go look up Youtube videos on the story rather than play the game unless you really want to Gacha.

And outside of Fate, there's the Tsukihime Remake(Which luckily touches down for that) and Witch of the Holy Knight(The ONLY Official Localization of a Nasuverse LN we are getting atm).

So after the F/SN VN, just choose whatever. Despite the name, it's actually closer to an anthology series than an actual sequel series(only a few entries are actual sequels) or have their own dynamics like Lord El-Melloi Chronicles or the FGO Movies or Anime series like Babylonia.
 
Paxton said:
It's actually insane how even with these low-end feats (which the trio doesn't really outmatch last I checked), they'd STILL think Kirei loses.
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It really is. I didn't even bring in the page before the first set of images that had Hansa stand his ground against a Tornado being able to lift Cars and Buses into the air... but no, the JJK Trio can absolutely defeat the Executors... sure.
(This isn't even me bringing Bazett into this and if she stacked to Prisma Bazett who can actually fight Class Card users on her own).


It honestly depends to be frank. I usually don't know much about NeoAcacia but alot of people tend to miss that Kiara has access to the Sakura Five ID_Es on top of her typical hax. She can just Trash and Crush NeoAcacia if he isn't careful or straight up drain his skills and he would take extra damage as he is an intelligent and sapient creature.
 
NeoAcacia has infinite food
 
Masterblack06 said:
Nah i thought the independent manifestation was some sort of regen but then I remember that Neo is anti-regen and anti-reincarnation
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It's more so them being a confirmed existence across space-time, so they get resistance to time/death shit. I think that's it.

Didn't NeoAcacia absorb the Eight Kings or something like that? So shouldn't he be able to use all their stuff?
 
Paxton said:
It's more so them being a confirmed existence across space-time, so they get resistance to time/death shit. I think that's it.

Didn't NeoAcacia absorb the Eight Kings or something like that? So shouldn't he be able to use all their stuff?
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Nah, He doesnt absorb things he just eats stuff, he killed a good majority of them but IIRC Horse King, Monkey King, Deer King and Wolf King are the only ones that survived.

Neo on his own was absolute bullshit being able to adapt to shit on the fly and he only got stronger after Acacia absorbed him
 
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