If anyone want to know why SB tend to allow only anime Fate feats and not manga like Apo manga and Turas Realta as well as video games, the above plainly explains why
This is hilarious because that's only if you constantly continue to use Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero as comparison tools every single time... which Spacebattles absolutely does.
Fate/Extra, Extella-Link, FGO and it's various adaptations, Apocrypha and the like all follow the same level of destructive power that Servants are capable of having without any "fluctuations" that they speak of and most of those are in fact done by different writers and supervised by Nasu. If you want a Grade A reason of why to take Spacebattles as a joke meanwhile look at how hard they wank KnY and JJK without any goddamned irony, there you go.
It was when he used it against Zamasu, it was supposed to kill him entirely but due to the Time Ring, he still survived because of it but yes, you basically die period.
It was when he used it against Zamasu, it was supposed to kill him entirely but due to the Time Ring, he still survived because of it but yes, you basically die period.
It's insane because they themselves constantly look for low end feats to keep up that stupid charade even when you look at say... Case Files where Mages are genuinely hardcore motherfuckers who fit exactly with how in Strange Fake, the US Military Complex doesn't want to fuck with The Clock Tower as it's a losing battle UNLESS... they get the Native American Tribes to help them out which is... yeah no.
And even THAT was hinted in another Fate work that the Mages within the US Government was always trying to mix in the Mystics into their weaponry for War which Mages fucking hate.
Nope, it was due to the fashion that Beerus targeted the Zamasu that became Goku Black. Future Zamasu was safe for most likely paradox reasons(Also most likely due to the Time Ring the other one had)
It's insane because they themselves constantly look for low end feats to keep up that stupid charade even when you look at say... Case Files where Mages are genuinely hardcore motherfuckers who fit exactly with how in Strange Fake, the US Military Complex doesn't want to fuck with The Clock Tower as it's a losing battle UNLESS... they get the Native American Tribes to help them out which is... yeah no.
And even THAT was hinted in another Fate work that the Mages within the US Government was always trying to mix in the Mystics into their weaponry for War which Mages fucking hate.
To go back to the Iori thing one more time... why the hell are they complaining about FGO anyway? The feat they are bitching about with Iori was in Samurai Remnant!
And the only reason they are trying to call foul is that a decent number of people who never played Samurai Remnant is bitching about it as well.
Miyamoto Iori defeating Miyamoto Musashi isn't even fucking new as not only was the concept there in multiple Fate works(Hell, this is basically the Fate special), Miyamoto Musashi herself has defeated Servants as well and Nasu even stated Sword Saints are threats to Servants due to their skills being able to harm the supernatural. Not my goddamned fault that they can't handle it despite the very beginning of the game had Iori clash with freaking USHI-GOZEN and not be vaporized on contact multiple times even if she was not going all out.
So literally making shit up while showing a complete lack of knowledge that they try and pretend they are full of?
So first of...
Servants are clones of the original and depending on circumstances they will be different. For example Gilles is readily apparent to be a completely different person as a Saber then as a Caster. This is despite the fact Gilles and Gilles are both... Well. Gilles.
Additionally the FGO gilles is an entirely seperate Gilles from the one in Extella and both also have no relation to the one in Fate/Zero. These Gilles are equally gilles but they are also all just clones of the original up in the throne. Its explicit special circumstance when a servant recalls their past summonings. Often but not always because of divine tomfoolery.
The original up in the throne of heroes has no reason to ever differentiate. But servants are NOT the original. They are a fraction of the original.
Like this isn't even close to true at ALL. Servants are downgraded copies of the Heroic Spirit, yes but that's only in regarded of only part of their Legend being distilled into a Saint Graph. Nikola Tesla literally wasn't a Demi-God when he was alive neither was Thomas Edison the literal vehicle of every US President in the Past, Present and Future and Edmond Dantes explicitly LOST his bullshit Magical Circuits after killing Roa in the Fate Timeline... none of that fucking works if they are at a fraction of the "original".
Hell, this doesn't work period when for most beings that become Heroic Spirits, they explicitly get STRONGER, not weaker(There are Servants that are weaker than their living selves but that number is GREATLY exaggerated).
Second of. Do you play FGO?
According to FGO Saber Alter can blow up the Bennu Meteor yet merely sets Fuyuki on fire after carving half of it out of existence.
...She never set Fuyuki on fire, what the fuck is he on about?!
The closest thing we get that is definitely her is her Excalibur Morgan blast that you can see fucked up a major part of the City. I like how he is also going with Collateral Damage = Maximum damage now...
Servants vary in strength depending on the plot on a regular basis. Mash being the most blatant example given how she basically resets in strength every chapter. Ritsuka's shadow servants are as strong/weak as the plot demands.
Or... or maybe that Servants can do this wholly new and unique complex thing called "control their goddamned strength"? That thing that all living things can do to not completely crush what they want to hold softly or not hurt but at the same time go full force if needed?
And FGO isn't even the worst for powerscaling servants to silly levels. The manga does even more flashy powercreep.
So the Manga showing us exactly what they can do... is fucking powercreep now?!
Hey jackass? The actual true height of the mobs was stated quite a few times in the game and in the explicit Promo Video of the 4th Anniversary also goes with that:
He's trying so hard to have his cake and eat it too when everything else agrees with what the manga puts out but no, apparently it's the MANGA not understanding the real power of Servants despite the person literally being the one who helped write and make SAMURAI REMNANT!(Yes, the Shimousa Mangaka also is the one who primarily helped out in that game) and this is not the first time this happened either(The Apocrypha LN Author explicitly allowed the Anime version to go it's own way because of how long ago that LN is, same with the Manga) nor the last(The F/SN Manga all follow different paths to the same conclusion just like Nasu wants).
FSN servants are readily weaker than FGO ones by like. Five orders of magnitude. So if FSR is to closer to FSN. Then yes as soon as Iori and friends joined the FGO crew they did get 80 times faster/stronger/whatever and nobody blinks an eye because the exact same shit happens every other time.
I like how they admit that pointblank despite F/SN having some ridiculous feats that is given back to it retroactively... the Throne of Heroes also makes all of the retroactive feats theirs too...
This is literally the equivalent of "Why didn't Nasu make them do all of these bullshit feats 20 years ago openly?!" and then lose their shit if he does do so like he did with Tsukihime Remake.
Now unfortunately I'd consider the OP to be pretty unclear. I'd lean that FGO should be ignored on the basis that its a high-end outlier that doesn't align with FSN-era depiction. And the OP does not mention if we should use high-ends.
This is where it ALWAYS comes down to, every single time without irony. "FGO doesn't align with F/SN, we shouldn't use FGO because it doesn't align with a 20 year old VN and it should stick to it!" and even if the characters are FGO only, they still try and force F/SN feats on them retroactively as if that makes any goddamned sense.
This one revealed that the Transcendents of the Bridge Builders Cabal are all magicians strong enough to rival the entire magic side and their goal is to make the world a better place.
But if you compare them to the Magic Gods who are satisfied creating an ideal world on their own, you can see how they have basically min-maxed their diffusion and destruction skills. The irritating thing for them is that they can destroy everything with ease, but they can’t remake it all afterwards.
They’re so reluctant to play their one and only card that they were even caught in Othinus’s destruction of the world and killed. (Because if the Transcendents had killed Othinus in that dark space, they couldn’t have remade the world like she did.) With that in mind, can you see why they’re so terrified of Alice whose innocence makes her impossible to predict?
She has the destruction button right in front of her, after all.
To go back to the Iori thing one more time... why the hell are they complaining about FGO anyway? The feat they are bitching about with Iori was in Samurai Remnant!
And the only reason they are trying to call foul is that a decent number of people who never played Samurai Remnant is bitching about it as well.
Miyamoto Iori defeating Miyamoto Musashi isn't even fucking new as not only was the concept there in multiple Fate works(Hell, this is basically the Fate special), Miyamoto Musashi herself has defeated Servants as well and Nasu even stated Sword Saints are threats to Servants due to their skills being able to harm the supernatural. Not my goddamned fault that they can't handle it despite the very beginning of the game had Iori clash with freaking USHI-GOZEN and not be vaporized on contact multiple times even if she was not going all out.
So literally making shit up while showing a complete lack of knowledge that they try and pretend they are full of?
Like this isn't even close to true at ALL. Servants are downgraded copies of the Heroic Spirit, yes but that's only in regarded of only part of their Legend being distilled into a Saint Graph. Nikola Tesla literally wasn't a Demi-God when he was alive neither was Thomas Edison the literal vehicle of every US President in the Past, Present and Future and Edmond Dantes explicitly LOST his bullshit Magical Circuits after killing Roa in the Fate Timeline... none of that fucking works if they are at a fraction of the "original".
Hell, this doesn't work period when for most beings that become Heroic Spirits, they explicitly get STRONGER, not weaker(There are Servants that are weaker than their living selves but that number is GREATLY exaggerated).
...She never set Fuyuki on fire, what the fuck is he on about?!
The closest thing we get that is definitely her is her Excalibur Morgan blast that you can see fucked up a major part of the City. I like how he is also going with Collateral Damage = Maximum damage now...
Or... or maybe that Servants can do this wholly new and unique complex thing called "control their goddamned strength"? That thing that all living things can do to not completely crush what they want to hold softly or not hurt but at the same time go full force if needed?
So the Manga showing us exactly what they can do... is fucking powercreep now?!
Hey jackass? The actual true height of the mobs was stated quite a few times in the game and in the explicit Promo Video of the 4th Anniversary also goes with that:
He's trying so hard to have his cake and eat it too when everything else agrees with what the manga puts out but no, apparently it's the MANGA not understanding the real power of Servants despite the person literally being the one who helped write and make SAMURAI REMNANT!(Yes, the Shimousa Mangaka also is the one who primarily helped out in that game) and this is not the first time this happened either(The Apocrypha LN Author explicitly allowed the Anime version to go it's own way because of how long ago that LN is, same with the Manga) nor the last(The F/SN Manga all follow different paths to the same conclusion just like Nasu wants).
I like how they admit that pointblank despite F/SN having some ridiculous feats that is given back to it retroactively... the Throne of Heroes also makes all of the retroactive feats theirs too...
This is literally the equivalent of "Why didn't Nasu make them do all of these bullshit feats 20 years ago openly?!" and then lose their shit if he does do so like he did with Tsukihime Remake.
This is where it ALWAYS comes down to, every single time without irony. "FGO doesn't align with F/SN, we shouldn't use FGO because it doesn't align with a 20 year old VN and it should stick to it!" and even if the characters are FGO only, they still try and force F/SN feats on them retroactively as if that makes any goddamned sense.
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The funny part is that they will never notice the absolute irony in trying to employ that on Fate only and then pitch a fucking fit if you tried it for other series...
I remember someone's whole ass argument about this, no joke, is basically paraphrased here:
"Well Nasu should have thought about the scaling and power of Servants for F/SN and F/Z because we never have to do it with say Bleach or Naruto(Nevermind the fact this is the equivalent of saying Kishimoto should have made the Nine Tailed Fox as powerful as he is in the Final Arc in the First Arc), we beholden it to one part of the franchise as that is it's story completed, no different than any other Manga or Anime(Funny how they never do this with Halo, Harry Potter, Steven Universe(Yes, Future is it's own show), Honkai Impact, One Punch Man, etc, etc.)"
Which is basically the equivalent of a massive as fuck copout because like I said before: Spacebattles loves putting Fate into VS. matchups because they are extremely petty fucks who pretend they know Fate better than anyone else which is why ever since FGO and Fate Manga started getting fantranslated/scantalated and passed around, they have been losing their shit and even go so far as to downplay extremely obvious feats and even how the world works(That they would NEVER do with any other series that blatantly states it) just so they can still have Yoriichi, Sukuna and others dominate when they very clearly cannot.