Killy (Blame!) vs Samus (Metroid)

[OtherGalaxy]

I don’t know a ton about Metroid, so assume Killy fights each version of Samus from the end of every game up through Dread, what’s the farthest he can get?

 

[NeloAngelo]

I know that there is a calculation of Samus of star level, I think from the manga, I don't know if it is the same in the video game version, but at least the manga version stomp.

 

[Uoruk]

Being star level doesn't mean much to a guy firing event horizons/gravitons out of his gun that can effortlessly tear through material designed to house the solar system. A material he also dented with his fists

Unless she's significantly faster she gets shot

 

[Eztephan]

Yeah if is Metroid EX Samsus is a stomp, also in the end of the manga she using Animus power cause a White Hole and nullify an universal scale Black Holes so...

Edit. Reading again the chapter, is iffy if the White Hole Creation is combat aplicable cuz Samus only use that power once and in the last part of the lasts chapters, but the feat is there.

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And the mention of the universal scale of the black holes of Greed.

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[OtherGalaxy]

Being star level doesn't mean much to a guy firing event horizons/gravitons out of his gun that can effortlessly tear through material designed to house the solar system. A material he also dented with his fists

Unless she's significantly faster she gets shot

speaking of that, I was reading Blame and So On after seeing a super old post you did of the GBE and how it works


aside from Nihei being an insane genius who thought about every aspect of the manga in super technical terms and didn’t explain nearly any of it until this book I think it just ignores durability entirely, because it isn’t attacking you with the gravity it uses it to “change your location” to be full of dark matter which obliterates any substance

[Gravitational Beam Emitter - Hypothesis #0]
This is the gun Killy has.
It's the kind of matchless weapon where nothing can withstand it's direct hit.
Instead of solid matter bullets, an energy-like beam is fired.
It is also capable of power regulation and rapid fire.
For a long time it was the only weapon Killy had.
It became clear that the presiding Safeguards also used such things.



[Gravitational Beam Emitter - Hypothesis 1]
Gravity, even when emitted as a beam, does not have that much power.
So where does the immense power of the Gravitational Beam Emitter come from?
Perhaps, like the Gravity Furnace, it comes from Dark Matter intervening.
That is, if the beam hits one certain place, it transforms into an entirely different location where an extreme amount of dark matter suddenly occurs. The thing's mass increases explosively, a reaction that would cause anything to be destroyed.
Since it changes the attributes of the place where it hits, it could be called, "Installation Emitter" maybe.

 

[Uoruk]

speaking of that, I was reading Blame and So On after seeing a super old post you did of the GBE and how it works


aside from Nihei being an insane genius who thought about every aspect of the manga in super technical terms and didn’t explain nearly any of it until this book I think it just ignores durability entirely, because it isn’t attacking you with the gravity it uses it to “change your location” to be full of dark matter which obliterates any substance

I forgot he gave that as one of the explanations

He also commented that firing it on the surface of the earth would destroy the atmosphere

 

[OtherGalaxy]

I’m most amazed that none of this is him bullshitting at all. Reading these explanations I really am recalling certain details of the manga and going OH that’s what that meant

it’s so insane to me he thought the entire story out to this degree but intentionally did not explain even 5% of it in the actual comic

 

[Uoruk]

I’m most amazed that none of this is him bullshitting at all. Reading these explanations I really am recalling certain details of the manga and going OH that’s what that meant

it’s so insane to me he thought the entire story out to this degree but intentionally did not explain even 5% of it in the actual comic

Nihei doesn't like directly explaining his stories most of the time (Sidonia ni kishi being an exception) and prefers to use visuals to express everything. Abara (where Fujimoto got the inspiration for Chainsaw Man(even naming Denji after him)) Biomega ect dont have a lot going on in terms of direct story telling and people are left to just fill in the blanks

 

[ChaosTheory123]

Being star level doesn't mean much to a guy firing event horizons/gravitons out of his gun that can effortlessly tear through material designed to house the solar system. A material he also dented with his fists

Mind linking this for context dude?

Trying to model it in my head, but how it looks will determine the interpretation

Was it you or Zen that had me look at punching through the planet with his gun though? Or was that Raidou? Been a while.

Unless she's significantly faster she gets shot

Think she scales off Ridley outflying her ship with bullshit FTL acceleration and speed from MP1?

 

[Uoruk]

Mind linking this for context dude?

Linking what, the explanations for the gun? The megastructure housing the solar system? Or Killy denting it with his fists?

Trying to model it in my head, but how it looks will determine the interpretation

Ah, my keyboard shit itself so ill have to get around to it tomorrow (im on my phone lol)

Was it you or Zen that had me look at punching through the planet with his gun though? Or was that Raidou? Been a while.

Thats Zoichi Kanoe from Biomega. Different character from a diff manga (same author though) who had a mode on his pistol that let him channel his brainwaves through the gun

Think she scales off Ridley outflying her ship with bullshit FTL acceleration and speed from MP1?

Ah

Killy's got LS to ftl reactions but no kinda real movemt speed. Think it took him something like a few thousand years to walk through this one spot in the megastructure

 

[OtherGalaxy]

his voyage through the structure definitely took many years but he’s also immortal and none of his goals seem to necessitate timely action

 

[ChaosTheory123]

Linking what, the explanations for the gun? The megastructure housing the solar system? Or Killy denting it with his fists?

All the above when you have the chance. Blame! Is a series I have on “to read” so my familiarity is lacking

Ah, my keyboard shit itself so ill have to get around to it tomorrow (im on my phone lol)

Take your time. My eye “shit itself” last month and I’ve been just kind of dealing with that and thus mostly absent

Thats Zoichi Kanoe from Biomega. Different character from a diff manga (same author though) who had a mode on his pistol that let him channel his brainwaves through the gun

Gotcha. I remembered the feat and the writer I guess is all

Still, who asked me to look? It was between you, Zen, or Raidou IIRC.

Ah

Killy's got LS to ftl reactions but no kinda real movemt speed. Think it took him something like a few thousand years to walk through this one spot in the megastructure

Short range is all he needs either way for a fight taking place over human scale distances tbh

 

[Uoruk]

All the above when you have the chance. Blame! Is a series I have on “to read” so my familiarity is lacking

ah ok

these are the translations from Blame and So on

BLAME! And So On

as was said nihei doesn't do a lot of direct story telling so a lot of explanations come from side material.

I'll post some of the important bits but I recommend reading through it as it's pretty fascinating stuff in general

Spoiler: setting

[World 3/ Shape and Size]
This world extends to approximately the outer edge of the solar system.
The layered city is a smaller portion of it, coming up to Jupitar's orbit.
Materials for the world come only from the planets.
This closely resembles what is called a "Dyson Sphere".
In 1959 the space researcher, Freeman Dyson, proposed the Dyson Sphere theory.
He thought that if you take a fixed star, like the sun, and cover it in a shell, energy that would normally be cast off into space would instead could be used to fuel our world.
However, as will be stated later on, the Blame! world's basic establishing factor is the engineering and management of Dark Matter as soon as it became possible to do so.
Since there is the possibility, one would think that the world lost its spherical shape so why not think of the layers as being shaped like a stack of thick donuts.

[The World 4/ Power]
With circumstances similar to a Dyson Sphere, basically the sun is like a power furnace.
It also acts as a nuclear power generator and one can imagine it being used this way.
With only that as power, one can expect to obtain unlimited power for one thousand million years.
When considering how the layered world handles power transmission, one must think it relies on the Gravity Furnace, as will be stated later.

Essentially its a dyson sphere that reaches the edge of the solar system with the actually city portion only reaching jupiter

As for the GBE

Spoiler: el arma

[Gravitational Beam Emitter - Hypothesis 1]
Gravity, even when emitted as a beam, does not have that much power.
So where does the immense power of the Gravitational Beam Emitter come from?
Perhaps, like the Gravity Furnace, it comes from Dark Matter intervening.
That is, if the beam hits one certain place, it transforms into an entirely different location where an extreme amount of dark matter suddenly occurs. The thing's mass increases explosively, a reaction that would cause anything to be destroyed.
Since it changes the attributes of the place where it hits, it could be called, "Installation Emitter" maybe.

Iko called it the "Gravitational Beam Generator" but it's actual name is this one ((referring to "Type One Variable Critical Arms")). The people on the Forbidden Level of the Life Electric Company also called it "Gravitational whatever" as a name that describes its functions directly.
But in the end, "Type One Variable Critical Arms" is the true name of Killy's weapon whereas "Gravitational Beam Emitter" is just a description.
So what does it mean by a "Weapon" that is "Critical" and "Variable"?




n the whole of this world, the Builders have created a layered world that is, in actuality, a level that is the same size as the Solar System. And inside of that entity is one atmospheric pressure of breathable air circulating about the whole thing as well as regularized gravity.
That kind of environment is impossible to create naturally, however there is some way or another to control that kind of thing artificially.
Naturally, the largest restructuring was taking control of the gravitational power, and undoubtedly, within the Megastructure there are controls.
If control over the gravitational power was lost, the only possibility is that the layers themselves would instantly collapse.
With that in mind, is there even a "Variable Critical Arms"?
Concerning controlling gravity, Killy's gun "emits" "beams" of "gravitons." It is the ultimate "arms" who's "critical" point is creating a situation where all "variables" have failed.
Blam! It cuts down places developed with artificial gravity with its straight beam and causes localized gravitational failure.
Since using such a thing haphazardly would be rather dangerous for the world if used carelessly, its owner is controlled carefully.

had to omit some stuff in this passage cause it was more world building info but its entirety is available in the link.

Take your time. My eye “shit itself” last month and I’ve been just kind of dealing with that and thus mostly absent

Gotcha. I remembered the feat and the writer I guess is all

Still, who asked me to look? It was between you, Zen, or Raidou IIRC.

Short range is all he needs either way for a fight taking place over human scale distances tbh

You the next king of the pirates?


it was prob me since Zen would have just done it himself

 

[Uoruk]

I'll post him denting it when I can actually find the panels lol

but we had a calc that had the megastructure shrugging off teratons of energy without a scratch and his fists managed to do more damage to it

 

[Uoruk]

The feats less impressive then I remember and going through some old stuff apparently the bomb the megastructure took was debunked as being teratons

however it's still stated in Blame and So on the only thing getting through the megastructure walls is a GBE

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[Megastructure - 1]
The superstructure that makes up the world is divided up by numerous ultra-durable walls through which nothing besides Killy's Gravitational Beam Emitter can penetrate.
There is a relationship between the barriers and Safeguard activity.
They tend to activate when one approaches a wall.
Within the walls, there is a system which maintains the environment.
The area is created by the Builders.

and here we have Killy slamming a guy into it hard enough to dent it and then crushing his head with a punch

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Pmuch the same as every other time he's tackled or slammed someone but this was toward the end of the manga after he got his upgrade and they were specifically inside a megastructure at this point. Though the same guy he killed seems to cut up some pillars and knock Killy through a few so the durability of the megastructure might be overstated. But it also managed to withstand Cibo teleporting a portion of a stars surface into a room about 16k km wide