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Mythological Dogs (Cerberus, Garm, etc...) vs Mythological cats (Manticore, Sphinx, etc..)

xenos5

xenos5

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Excluding any dog or cat gods. I know the strongest IRL felines (lions, tigers, etc...) are >>> the strongest canines (wolves, hyenas, etc...) but if i'm curious if that holds true in the realm of mythology as well.

Bonus: Dog and cat gods are included this time.
 
xenos5 said:
Excluding any dog or cat gods
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Wdym? Many mythological beings that are cats and dogs were considered to be gods. It's such a loose rule that pretty much every mythological cat and dog could be banned.

Anyway does Fenrir and Huangdi count? Fenrir is stated to defeat Tyr(iirc) the God of War in Nordic myth(though I don't actually know Tyr's feats) and eat the Sun.

There's also Huangdi which is pretty much the Chinese version of Fenrir, who is stated to blot out the sun and has to be chased away by arrows.
 
Yeah cause Fenrir is also technically a demi-god depending on how you look at it, so even they would be banned

EDIT: Shasta Coyote saved the world from evil moons which caused everlasting winter but I don't know how their cosmology treats gods.
 
Thegoldenboy2188 said:
Anyway does Fenrir and Huangdi count? Fenrir is stated to defeat Tyr(iirc) the God of War in Nordic myth(though I don't actually know Tyr's feats) and eat the Sun.
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Fenrir bit off Tyr's hand, but that wasn't in a fight. Fenrir would only agree to be restrained if one of the Gods put their hand in his mouth and Tyr stepped up.

He DID swallow and kill Odin 1v1 during Ragnarok though so Fenrir is definitely a top tier in Norse Mythology.
It was also Skoll and Hati, Fenrir's sons that ate the Sun and Moon, not Fenrir himself.
 
Also I'm assuming we're allowed to use any Mythological Canine (Dogs, Wolves, Foxes etc.) or Feline (Cats, Lions, Tigers etc) and aren't just limited to dogs and cats. :maybe
 
I'm now realizing that there are a lot of dogs associated with the moon. Kinda weird seeing as how America and Europe/China didn't have any interactions until a bit before Columbus.
 
Thegoldenboy2188 said:
Wdym? Many mythological beings that are cats and dogs were considered to be gods. It's such a loose rule that pretty much every mythological cat and dog could be banned.

Anyway does Fenrir and Huangdi count? Fenrir is stated to defeat Tyr(iirc) the God of War in Nordic myth(though I don't actually know Tyr's feats) and eat the Sun.

There's also Huangdi which is pretty much the Chinese version of Fenrir, who is stated to blot out the sun and has to be chased away by arrows.
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Qinglong said:
Yeah cause Fenrir is also technically a demi-god depending on how you look at it, so even they would be banned

EDIT: Shasta Coyote saved the world from evil moons which caused everlasting winter but I don't know how their cosmology treats gods.
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There is still the bonus for god dogs and cats.

I just wanted to exclude gods in the first scenario since I felt like Egyptian Mythology which has both dog and cat gods (Anubis, Bastet, etc...) might completely overshadow the discussion of other creatures lower on the spectrum that i'd still be interested to hear about.

Adamant soul said:
Also I'm assuming we're allowed to use any Mythological Canine (Dogs, Wolves, Foxes etc.) or Feline (Cats, Lions, Tigers etc) and aren't just limited to dogs and cats. :maybe
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Absolutely. Lion, Wolves, etc... and any hybrids as long as the canine or feline feature is the most prominent.
 
Thegoldenboy2188 said:
Does Ammit count then? It has the front legs of a lion.
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Sure, though if they're a god they'd count more for the bonus.

I think there is plenty to be discussed in both scenarios. Since mythological creatures aren't all gods. I find it also fun to imagine how werewolves might stack up against some different cat yokai :maybe
 
xenos5 said:
I just wanted to exclude gods in the first scenario since I felt like Egyptian Mythology which has both dog and cat gods (Anubis, Bastet, etc...) might completely overshadow the discussion of other creatures lower on the spectrum that i'd still be interested to hear about.
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I mean there are also the the Kitsune from Japanese Mythology (the inspiration for the Kyuubi from Naruto), which effectively become Gods in their own right once they reach a certain age/get their ninth tail. The aforementioned Fenrir from Norse Mythology is also a heavy hitter, God level Canine.

I'm sure there's a lot of other God level Canine and Feline creatures in other Mythologies besides Egyptian, that wouldn't be overshadowed by them. :maybe
 
An underrated one
nobody has mentioned yet is garm

The norse version of cerberus pretty well, he's the guard dog of hell
 
Bob74h said:
An underrated one
nobody has mentioned yet is garm
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That would be because we have very little to go on for him other than...he exists in Norse Mythology and that's about it.

He's completely featless as opposed to the likes of Fenrir, Skoll and Hati.
Bob74h said:
The norse version of cerberus pretty well, he's the guard dog of hell
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HEL or Helheim.

ONE L not two, and yes it does make a difference, Hel and Hell are two different things.

One is an icy cold world that all people who don't distinguish themselves on the battlefield go to when they die, and gets its name from the God/Giant who was tasked with running it solely so people wouldn't have to look at her half corpse form. The other is a fiery world that ONLY evil people get sent to, ran by the literal embodiment of evil/a fallen archangel turned failed coups artist.

Yes they are both realms for dead with similar names, but that's where the similarities start and end. What they represent and how they are viewed by the people who believe (or believed) in them are completely different.

Hel is NOT Hell or vice versa, get it right.
 
Satan isn't even really a "governor" of Hell. It's as much a prison for him as it is for everyone else that ends up there.
 
Solar Sailor said:
I think the whole “Satan governs Hell” isn’t actually a thing. The Hell as described is more a place of voidness like “Sheol” but you’re also consumed in hellfire and destroyed. I think. Dunno:whathekong
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Im not a bible reader but I heard there's a lake of magma and sulfur that's supposed to be there to punish sinners in hell :hmidk maybe its pop culture and not actually a thing.
 
Solar Sailor said:
I think the whole “Satan governs Hell” isn’t actually a thing. The Hell as described is more a place of voidness like “Sheol” but you’re also consumed in hellfire and destroyed. I think. Dunno:whathekong
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Paxton said:
Satan isn't even really a "governor" of Hell. It's as much a prison for him as it is for everyone else that ends up there.
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Fair enough, that's my bad.

Though the main point still stands that Hel and Hell are not the same thing. :maybe
 
@Derpmaster9000 I forgot where we put Odin what was it again?

Anyway from Norse myth we have Fenrir who is powerful enough to kill Odin, Skoll and Hati who both chase the sun and moon and will swallow them when ragnarok comes. Garm who is said to be the greatest of hounds and will kill Tyr.

China has Tiangou which is another dog stated to eat the moon, Erlang's dog which injured Sun Wukong(does JTTW count here?), and Panhu a dragon-dog capable of shapeshifting.

Japan has Inugami, which are dog spirits capable of possessing humans, Raiju which is a dog with a body of lightning (though they are said to take other forms including that of cats, so both sides may have raiju), and kitsune, fox spirits capable of performing magic, transforming into humans, and possessing humans.
 
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