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Strongest Final Fantasy Character the Xenoblade Chronicles Trilogy Main Antagonists can defeat?

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Zanza, Malos, Jin, Consul N, Z and Alpha.

Who's the strongest Final Fantasy character this team can defeat?

Each individual character on this team should be low multiversal (two universes) scaling from the Core Trinity Processor which split one universe into two separate universes.

Though there are individual differences in powers. For a basic rundown: Zanza and Alpha (Aka Ontos, one of the three cores that make up the Core Trinity Processors) are the two most powerful characters in the team (god-like entities that can shape their realities). There's Z, a living concept that maintains Origin. Consul N, a human who gained a sword made from Origin (the same material as a device that prevented the two Xenoblade Universes from violently merging back together, and created a fake amalgamation in their place) and at one point could outperform a version of Alpha that was empowered by possessing a vessel (Na'el) in a 1v1. Jin, a blade that at full power can compete in power with Pneuma (the "human" form of one of the core trinity processors) and control elementary particles. And Malos (originally Logos one of the Core Trinity Processors) who with the Ultimate Artifice Aion can fight Pneuma along with the rest of the XB2 crew in a difficult battle.
 
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As someone I know is decently knowledgeable about the XC series i’d like to get your take on this whenever you’ve got the time :hm
 
When they are low multiversal, shouldn’t they almost even a threat to the top tiers like Neo exdeath?

I would not say they take on the absurdity which is ff14 EOG but they are very high in the ranking with low multiversal from what I remember
 
MusubiKazesaru said:
Alpha and Zanza are both universal+ at least, maybe even multiversal.
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Hmmm… do you mean only those two? I did think N should definitely scale to the same level of power for his performance against Alpha when they possessed Na’el (Especially since Shulk and Rex stated that version of Alpha was stronger than the one they fought), plus him somehow surviving getting seemingly vaporized by Alpha and being essential in the final battle.

For Z. Well, he’s a living concept and powered by Origin in a similar way to Alpha (as well as being N’s boss). It’s hard for me to see him being an entire tier or tiers lower.

Jin and Malos are the most arguable perhaps (Malos probably outright needs Artifice Aion to really compare given he never really could unlock his potential and become Logos). They are entirely reliant on how you place Pneuma in comparison to Alpha and Zanza. But Pneuma definitely has a certain level of hype as a true form of one of the Core Trinity Processors.
 
xenos5 said:
Hmmm… do you mean only those two? I did think N should definitely scale to the same level of power for his performance against Alpha when they possessed Na’el (Especially since Shulk and Rex stated that version of Alpha was stronger than the one they fought), plus him somehow surviving getting seemingly vaporized by Alpha and being essential in the final battle.

For Z. Well, he’s a living concept and powered by Origin in a similar way to Alpha (as well as being N’s boss). It’s hard for me to see him being an entire tier or tiers lower.

Jin and Malos are the most arguable perhaps (Malos probably outright needs Artifice Aion to really compare given he never really could unlock his potential and become Logos). They are entirely reliant on how you place Pneuma in comparison to Alpha and Zanza. But Pneuma definitely has a certain level of hype as a true form of one of the Core Trinity Processors.
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I thought N's performance even if you consider him to be boosted by Logos to be almost weirdly good. Alpha honestly performed worse from what I can see with a host than without a host, but maybe it comes down the the combat capabilities of the host in this question so N's greater personal combat abilities trumped Na'el's powers be damned.

Z is below Alpha, not ridiculously so, but it's to the point where he made alliances against him and basically had to hide and send an agent as long as he was around. Z is kind of the crux of Aionios so that does make sense.

Shin is pretty wanked in-game in terms of capabilities, but he's kind of like what you see with Zeke and Meleph in that he can throw hands with or beat a gimped Aegis level fighter, but in his case he's farther buffed due to being a flesh eater. Rex becomes his match once he becomes a Master Driver however. Metsu is strong, but he's a jobber and I don't get the idea that he's channeling his own full capabilities at any point in the story. With Artifice he has the means to channel directly from the Conduit however so he should have an outlet of enhancing his input/output of power to the point where he becomes relevant to fully powered trinity processors, but he still loses to Rex and Pneuma despite Artifice.

Alpha is very strong but jobs during his later appearances to the point where it feels odd. He's not as complete as the once Alvis/Ontos was, but he should be able to hang with Zanza at least (who has means comparable or better than Metsu's) and is confirmed as being above Z. N alone also isn't enough to end things against him.

It's always hard to rate characters who manage to fight others but have no personal outlet for large levels of DC/reality warping which is why I said what I did. If I had to rank them I'd say:

Alpha >= Zanza > Z ~ N >= Metsu (with Artifice) > Shin > Metsu

Z was basically bullied off of the top spot of Aionios by Alpha and then N is sent who does well against him which makes things tricky.
 
Actually a good explanation of why Z was useless during FR is that in losing his "spot" so to speak in control of the world, he had lost the vast bulk of his power. He's probably blatantly stronger than N during say the events of 3 itself.
 
Malos only loses to Rex and Pneuma because the Architect gave Pneuma full access to the Conduit like five seconds before they fought him, which is what the super Artifice was supposed to do. So Malos got the power he spent hundreds of years trying to get and then Klaus just goes "lol hax mode on" and raises Pneuma to that level.

They then proceed to use that power to beat the shit out of each other in a small metal room before losing it forever because the Conduit nopes out. This is the same power Ontos used to make a new fucking universe :skully

Power scaling is super weird because of shit like that because the ranking should be: Tri-Processor with host > Tri-Processor > Z >>>>>> [power gap] >>>>> everything else

But then you have shit like Rex and Shulk being able to actually take a chunk out of Alpha in their fight to the point he runs off looking for a host to boost his strength, even though neither actually has their Tri-Processor partner with them.
 
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