I saw that people seem to dislike Index on this site and that apparently SB is actually wanking it, so I'm making this thread to figure out why.
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Strongest Nasu Character Current Accelerator can defeat?
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I just wanna know why Toaru's hated here.
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Then just ask the question, don't do a rehashed thread from another place.
It's not hated, people don't give a shit about it for the most part. They laugh at it from time to time and also laugh at the wank .
That's pretty much it.
I was going off the humiliating arguments. Which said Index was wanked and stuff.
There's no "hate", hate is a really strong word as to be frank, I did like it in the past... and probably still would.
Now mocking? That absolutely fits because the real issue people have with To Aru is that:
1. When you are like me and you go to Spacebattles and everyone tells you that Fate or Star Wars or DBZ is hard to understand but To Aru isn't... only to see snippets from the LN and it's so much nonsense in it that you wonder how anyone can use any feats from the series in it? Yeah, it tends to get mocked.
2. When the characters are GROSSLY mislabeled as far more overpowered than they actually are and tend to be ignored on how their powers actually work(The big thing is that people point out To Aru characters are only weak against Reality Warping... when that's false and they fall under the similar situation as Satoru Gojou: i.e. Their weaknesses are far more apparent and is more easily countered even by simple universes that have mechanics that can stop magic or otherwise from working).
3. It's consistently the same characters used over and over and over and over again. It's like using only Lostbelt Zeus, God Arjuna, Lostbelt Morgan or ORT instead of say anyone else in Fate. Most of us only see Accelerator, Fiamma, Othinus with Gungir(not even her without that where she only has 50/50 and that can be influenced for or against her), Corozaon or that new Alice chick.
It's very rarely anyone else that isn't basically some extremely overpowered mess that people don't want to talk about(Like that super Amazo-type chick that I forgot the name of.
Like I'll be real here: Reality Marbles alone would shut down Accelerator as it would basically make the very nature of how his ability works completely worthless. Because that IS Reality Warping at it's core.
Arcuied and the other True Ancestors are capable of doing the same thing, hell Yu Mei-ren is capable of a bootleg version of it. Even Dead Apostle Ancestors can do it with their Idea Blood. Even the TYPEs can do it and ORT was literally beating the Earth's Re-assertion of it while SLEEPING. And yeah, the Reality Assertion by the Earth makes their variant of Reality Warping STRONGER because of that constant Assertion that most other Reality Warpers don't deal with.
So if you want to be frank, you have a laundry list of characters that can canonically kill Accelerator, that or shred concepts which will make the list to:
Any Reality Marble User
All Dead Apostle Ancestors
All True Ancestors
Arcuied
All the TYPEs
Gilgamesh
Altera
Most likely Artoria in all of her forms
Potentially Morgan due to being able to literally fuck with the fabric of things due to being an Avalon of the Fae
Similar with Caster Artoria
Oberon Vortigern
Cernnuous and the other Gods(due to Authorities being absolutes)
and a few more I didn't name.
We make fun of it in the same fashion we make fun of how SB loves to go nuts with RWBY feats for some insane reason and outside of Sufficient Velocity, the ONLY people who try and take RWBY seriously as a VS. series(When even Critics and a good number of fanboys admit how terrible the scaling is).
The same reason we go after Worm or Multiversal Gilgamesh or ANYTHING to do with Seven Deadly Sins, etc.
There's no hate, it's just major mocking of people who go extremely overboard in protecting their series to basically make up shit on the fly and people just accept it rather than do any true research of their own.
Wait I don't really get this.
Like doesn't Accelerator have the ability to reprogram his power to work against other shit? Like wasn't that how he blocked the universe busting sword thing?
Apparently, current Accel blocked Corozon's sword which was universe busting.
EDIT: That's what I heard though.
EDIT: That's what I heard though.
Yeah I regret asking this shit is even worse than I remember
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Sounds like they were actually weakened and he required assistance, and that's not even getting into the nonsense that is Odin needing gungnir to not fail her not reality warping because she apparently doesn't destroy anything FFS I hate Kamachi's prose with a passion
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Othinus (オティヌス, Otinusu?) is a character introduced in Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index. She is a Magic God, and was the leader of Gremlin. Prior to the 10th Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index Light Novel, she was originally a powerful being who refers to herself as a god, and was the primary...
toarumajutsunoindex.fandom.com Sounds like they were actually weakened and he required assistance, and that's not even getting into the nonsense that is Odin needing gungnir to not fail her not reality warping because she apparently doesn't destroy anything FFS I hate Kamachi's prose with a passion
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Tbf, a lot of those threads are by people which are not fans of Index as well and those also tend to be the ones that get traffic. You just won't find much of an audience for Maidono Hoshimi or Carrier & Decomposer, especially since the fact that many Index people are glass canons or another means you can't just easily throw them against the HST and stuff.
People seem to want to debate the edge albino kid instead.
Not sure what you mean with they make his ability worthless. Yes, esper abilities at their core they are something like reality warping. But how does that make his ability worthless?
Yeah... don't make conclusions on your own if you haven't read the book, as you are misinterpreting stuff there. The Coronzon getting weakened by being reduced to a soul happened later. (NT 22 Chapter 4 Part 16 to be specific) Well, actually it's debatable whether it is weakening. Being a physical existence more has perks for Coronzon than that it increases her power IMO.Yeah I regret asking this shit is even worse than I remember
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Warning: This article covers information concerning the character in question in Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index. For information concerning the character in Toaru Majutsu no Index, see here. Due to major spoilers, which are covered below, information from Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index is...
Othinus
Othinus (オティヌス, Otinusu?) is a character introduced in Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index. She is a Magic God, and was the leader of Gremlin. Prior to the 10th Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index Light Novel, she was originally a powerful being who refers to herself as a god, and was the primary...
Sounds like they were actually weakened and he required assistance, and that's not even getting into the nonsense that is Odin needing gungnir to not fail her not reality warping because she apparently doesn't destroy anything FFS I hate Kamachi's prose with a passion
Anyways, Accelerator reflected the Flaming Sword in NT 22 Chapter 1 Part 4. For reference, this is the incantation of the flaming sword, which is Coronzons signature technique:
And here is Accelerator reflection it:
As for how strong the attack is:
That lance being Othinus' Gungnir. I don't think I have to go over why Gungnir is universe level.
I'm very much certain that's due to how the properties of his ability worked in the prospect of To Aru's Universe, that wouldn't account for legit denying the ability entirely to keep asserting that your Reality is the true one like how Reality Marbles work or Nasuverse Earth's re-assertion of it's Reality.
Yeah I regret asking this shit is even worse than I remember
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Warning: This article covers information concerning the character in question in Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index. For information concerning the character in Toaru Majutsu no Index, see here. Due to major spoilers, which are covered below, information from Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index is...
Othinus
Othinus (オティヌス, Otinusu?) is a character introduced in Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index. She is a Magic God, and was the leader of Gremlin. Prior to the 10th Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index Light Novel, she was originally a powerful being who refers to herself as a god, and was the primary...
Sounds like they were actually weakened and he required assistance, and that's not even getting into the nonsense that is Odin needing gungnir to not fail her not reality warping because she apparently doesn't destroy anything FFS I hate Kamachi's prose with a passion
Yeah, there was alot of pieces missing there and from the stuff I got from others, it's nowhere near as clear cut as people like to say...
But that's the problem of a series that is really popular from the Manga and Anime, not the LN.
Again, I actually put that up as a reason that we and others like to mock how To Aru is used just like ComicVine and Multiversal Gilgamesh and SB with RWBY and Seven Deadly Sins in the past with Spacebattles. If it was far less weighted out and actually included some of the more regular characters, you would have people primarily not want to hate debating the series.
Because of the nature that there are plenty of Universes that have characters that can explicitly shut off the ability or Espers only alter Reality with the help of their knowledge of Mathematics to help dictate how that works... but what if the Reality basically denies even that? Then there abilities shouldn't be able to manifest at all or straight up be denied.
EDIT: Let me put this as example of how Reality Marbles work alongside the mechanics of the Nasuverse:
Reality Marbles overlay the user's Soul into the World and basically becomes their Pocket Dimension/World:
The thing about it is... that it's literally no different than how Espers do their abilities... but on a smaller scale for the latter and the larger scale for the former(Who has to consistently fight against the Planet who is trying to overwrite the invading Reality back to itself):
This is why Goetia's, completely away from the Earth and in the Infinite Numbers Space, was able to maintain his forever and it was the size of a Galaxy.
When you add that in to characters can explicitly mess with and destroy Reality Marbles... it already implies that the same can very, VERY much be done to Espers in To Aru:
And we see that happen with Enuma Elish and Photon Ray with Altera in Fate/Zero and Fate/Extella respectively.
What this means is simple:
The Nasuverse, as a whole, has a massive advantage against To Aru because of the very nature of their abilities primarily screws with the fashion that Espers project their powers in the World and are FAR stronger due to having to consistently deal with the Planet re-asserting it's own Reality just as much(Nasu even has an interview that if 2 Reality Marbles intersect, the strongest one will override the weakest one, further showing that mechanic always happens even against Reality Marbles.)
And when there are characters that can explicitly deal with and destroy Reality Marbles... then what are the Espers gonna be able to do about it? They explicitly can destroy the very way they can use their powers on an even stronger version of it.
And what can they do against TYPEs that while sleeping, can override the Earth's Reality? Or the Trees of Emptiness which can explicitly bleach the Reality entirely? Nasuverse uses Reality Warping... as one of it's most basic mechanics.
Me and Masterblack also saw that same attack has an extremely lengthy chant that needs to be spoken before it actually works...
So if you are only Universal in that instance due to that sort of thing? It kinda takes away from it by alot.
This is further NOT helped by the fact that taking the Novels immediately at their word isn't also how we do things because we have people doing that in Spacebattles with the Magical Gods and we got:
Multiversal Magical Gods that are Infinitely powerful even at Infinitely dividing selves that are faster than the concept of speed... that ultimately gets their asses easily kicked and worfed, especially by a character who explicitly didn't want to go full Majin but somehow has an attack that is Universal... but how it's described makes no sense and is x10 that... because.
And I say this AGREEING that To Aru is atleast Universal. It's clearly obvious the Author has a serious case of purple prose and actually trying to explain anything to atleast a decent degree.
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I feel your pain
I want to make one final point before I'm done because well... I'm motivated now:
Marble Phantasms are so much similar to Reality Marbles... well, Arcuied has shown to do some absolutely bullshit things...
It doesn't really matter if Arcueid has to work around Humans... if she can basically drop a Copy of The Moon on you and that's still not at 100% and can, as we like to say, play pinballs with Continents and mess with alter probability throughout the World:
So again, Accelerator would have the same issues against Arcueid then he would with similar Reality Marble users because what's stopping her from truly going nuts with her imagination and the known laws of the World... and basically put him in a situation where it doesn't matter? Like put him in a corridor where there is zero air?
Marble Phantasms are so much similar to Reality Marbles... well, Arcuied has shown to do some absolutely bullshit things...
It doesn't really matter if Arcueid has to work around Humans... if she can basically drop a Copy of The Moon on you and that's still not at 100% and can, as we like to say, play pinballs with Continents and mess with alter probability throughout the World:
So again, Accelerator would have the same issues against Arcueid then he would with similar Reality Marble users because what's stopping her from truly going nuts with her imagination and the known laws of the World... and basically put him in a situation where it doesn't matter? Like put him in a corridor where there is zero air?
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