Between universal+ to low multiversal most likely, as it absorbed the dead universe through the time driver from the beginning of its creation to its end, making it lifeless, while simultaneously destroying and collapsing the main universe, in fact it probably even affected all timelines of one universe but this already depends on the interpretation.What level do you think IDW Regenesis Shockwave should scale to
@Thirteen prime @OtherGalaxy @grillmaster .
iirc the Predacons were going to destroy cybertron if he couldn’t be stopped right?@grillmaster
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By the way, how do we rate Idw Thunderwing's physical strength, durability and speed?
By the way, what about when shockwave essentially experienced its own ultimate singularity?he’s (very) low multiverse level, he siphoned the Dead Universe’s energy and was warping the main universe. There isn’t any reason to consider him beyond that
the Crystal City black hole that sent him into the past right?By the way, what about when shockwave essentially experienced its own ultimate singularity?
A concentrated blast from Shockwave is capable of penetrating even Scorponok's super-dense armor.
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Shockwave can also damage Scorponok with his punches, and withstand a claw strike that can crush mountains.View attachment 3042View attachment 3043
Optimus and Scorponok can withstand attacks from Circuit Breaker, which at its peak is capable of causing damage to Unicron.
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Scorponok and the combiticons are capable of damaging Unicron's armor.View attachment 3048View attachment 3049
The Anti Matrix is capable of pushing Unicron with its shots.
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Megatron throughout the story absorbs the power of SARA.Optimus pulled his arm out at once, SARA's small body firmly in his grasp, and without SARA, Megatron's body began to collapse, unable to maintain its current overflow of dimensional power. But still, Megatron reaches out his hand towards Optimus and SARA.
"Megatron... it's over..."
Optimus transformed the energy unit on his back into an ion blaster and pulled the trigger.
The energy shot straight through Megatron's body, and he went fell away limply.
"Megatron..."
SARA murmured his name with sorrowful eyes and disappeared into the dimensional vortex with Optimus.
Defeated in battle, Megatron returned alone from the spacetime vortex into normal space... into the body of the collapsing Unicron. Lying
With that, he got full control over SARA's power:And that day... when Megatron took my power into his body, he took most of it."
"Ah... the Megatron I fought in the OG World was truly a demon god of strength, untouchable."
The Megatron that ran amok and went on a rampage in search of SARA...an opponent that he would never want to meet again if he could help it. Optimus remembered the overwhelming power of Megatron, but at the same time, he realized that while the Cloud Starscream he had just fought was a powerful enemy, he was not nearly as threatening.
"Megatron, though unstable, became an entity comparable to my original power. It was fundamentally different for Starscream, who was forced to evolve with my little residual energy."
Megatron's Fusion Blade is made fusing metals from different dimensions, with the fusion blade, he can seal through dimensions and basically start invading them in general. He can equip SARA's Dimension Mode and according to the narrative itself, he would have threatened to end the Multiverse including the Cloud World itself:"I can feel you there, SARA, it's been a long time."
"Megatron, I already have the technology to generate the Dimension Gate. With your great power, you should now be able to travel freely through spacetime. Now that my lord has complete dominion over spacetime, I believe SARA is of no further use to us..."
(Typically the term "SpaceTime World" was referring to the multiverse as it was referred to be a collection of spacetimes or universal streams/clusters if you wanna go in American terms)"To light a dead spark... Is this SARA's power?"
Optimus was astonished at the situation before him, but he gathered his strength and readied his gun. If he didn't stop Megatron, no matter the cost, Cloud's future and the future of the entire Spacetime World would be lost.
But before Optimus could fire, Megatron shot out a lightning-like energy beam from his raised arm and mercilessly struck through Optimus' body.
According to SARA, Spacetime was said to be infinite.Megatron's usual mannerisms hadn't changed a bit, even though the energy of 'SARA' was overflowing through his body; the reaction was so dangerous and unstable that his body was bathed in a flash of light.
"Why would you do such a thing like that!?" Optimus asked as he began to weaken from the aftermath of energy seeping and spreading across the room.
"The answer is simple... now that I have all of 'SARA's power in me, I shall become the undefeated ruler of every single world in space-time!!"
"The undefeated ruler of space-time!?" Brawn, after hearing Megatron's declaration, yelled out in anger. "What nonsense! If you use up all of 'SARA's power, all of Cloud World will collapse!"
"Your subordinates will also perish with this world! So there's one good thing about it!" Hot Rodimus added his gleeful thoughts.
"You small fry are now NOTHING compared to ME!" Megatron roared as he emitted an enormous amount of energy towards them from his hand.
"ΑΑΑΑΗΗΗΗΗΗHHH!" Hot Rodimus and Brawn were intensely swept away by the power, which was so intense that they couldn't directly fight back. Not even a single Transformer could endure the amount of energy stored within 'SARA'.
"Hang on you two! Megatron you monster!"
Megatron stared at Optimus, who was seeing his friends being fired on, with a more fierce and burning expression of anger on his face than ever before.
"I should have said this before... there is more to 'SARA's power than being used by those who are good. This enormous amount of power should really be placed in the hands of a ruler! To rule over all of space-time... THAT is its true purpose! It is certain that this world will soon be annihilated... but it is not and neither will be my primary concern!!"
Optimus was speechless; he had caught a glimpse of Megatron's insanity for the first time.
"But absorbing this power alone is not enough for me to conquer all of space-time... I
must travel to the OG sector of space-time, the very first universe said to have been generated, and use this power to conquer every square inch of it!"
For Optimus, he has the Matrix with him. Within inside of the Matrix, that what contains SARA's " unknown Dimension Mode power"."Congratulations, Megatron... you have achieved your goal."
Shockwave noiselessly appeared next to Megatron, and the other Decepticons gathered around him.
"Then let us immediately use your power to conquer the Spacetime World... The absolute power of Megatron will bring true peace and order to this chaotic multiverse..."
But Shockwave's words didn't seem to reach Megatron's ears.
"Hmm... this one's interesting."
While his subordinates around him looked puzzled, Megatron continued quietly.
"The power of spacetime flowing from SARA,
Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots in Cloud Spacetime... In the depths of his chest, there was also something called the Matrix. It was the Matrix of the Cloud Spacetime, and it was resonating with the light of the wisdom of the Matrix of this Spacetime, and it was about to unleash its power. And then....
"Ah...!"
SARA let out an involuntary cry. She clenched his fists tightly and turned to face Megatron,
Even also in his bios it was said he can equip SARA's power:Megatron paused. The revived body of his nemesis, Optimus Prime, glowed brilliantly in front of him. The glow was as beautiful and divine as SARA's hair, and with the miracle of the two matrices and SARA's power, Optimus was now in what could be called Dimension Mode. It was a figure that should not have been. Optimus, whose arms had been raised as if in meditation for a while, lowered them as if recalling his mind to his body.
The Cloud World obtains energy from the multiverse:"You know that I- that "SARA" exists to stabilize the Cloud World that manages spacetime by absorbing and amplifying the excess energy collected from other spacetimes by the Autobots, the guardians of the Spacetime World, for tens of thousands, no, hundreds of millions of years."
Optimus was reminded that the history of the Cloud World and SARA began long before he was appointed Autobot Supreme Commander.
"But now there is an entity that will break that long peace... one you know well, Megatron."
According to Vector Prime, the Cloud Autobots were involved to fight off against Hytherion in the great Universe War, making them relative to the Alternity:The Cloud World lives by obtaining surplus energy from throughout the Spacetime World.
The two heroes were in fierce conflict over how to collect that energy.
They staggered to their feet and glared fiercely at each other.
"You speak lightly of overseeing Spacetime,
(Ofc you know one of the Alternity's level.)Q: Dear Vector Prime,
Where were the TransTechs, Alternity, and Cloud World Autobots during the Universe War?
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A: Dear Multi-Dimensional Muckraker,
Time moves at different rates throughout the Multiverse. "Simultinaeity," as a concept, means little when some realms are running centuries, millennia, epochs ahead or behind or others. There are countless threats to the Multiverse, and the instant in which they are perceived varies from stream to stream. Rest assured, the Autobots of the Alternity and of Cloud World were not idle during the events of the Universe War, dealing with threats undreamed of by humanity. Have you not wondered why the Hytherion did not consume more worlds bereft of protectors and suffering from quantum decay due to the crudity of Unicron's predatory machinations?
The TransTech, on the other hand, did observe some unusual trans-dimensional activity during this time, but, as was their wont, were content with cataloging the anomalies. They were never aware of the true extent of the danger.
@OtherGalaxy @grillmaster thoughts?Optimus Prime & Megatron (Cloud World) Scaling
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Basically these versions of the character. Before we do something, let us give a brief Introduction about these versions.
This version of Optimus Prime basically focuses on him being the leader of the Spacetime officers (Typically refers to the Autobots of Cloud World) safeguarding the multiverse itself. However, things changed when Megatron decides rather if he can get SARA for power, leading Optimus to banish Megatron from Metropolis and the war basically starts between Autobots and Decepticons for SARA
Basically in the final chapter, Optimus defeats Megatron in his "Dimension Mode" within the Matrix:
Megatron throughout the story absorbs the power of SARA.
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With that, he got full control over SARA's power:
Megatron's Fusion Blade is made fusing metals from different dimensions, with the fusion blade, he can seal through dimensions and basically start invading them in general. He can equip SARA's Dimension Mode and according to the narrative itself, he would have threatened to end the Multiverse including the Cloud World itself:
(Typically the term "SpaceTime World" was referring to the multiverse as it was referred to be a collection of spacetimes or universal streams/clusters if you wanna go in American terms)
Megatron with SARA's power was said to control spacetime itself:
According to SARA, Spacetime was said to be infinite.
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SARA Megatron's powers would have turned the WHOLE multiverse into pure chaos:
For Optimus, he has the Matrix with him. Within inside of the Matrix, that what contains SARA's " unknown Dimension Mode power".
Even also in his bios it was said he can equip SARA's power:
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It was said whoever grants SARA's powers can rival enemies like Unicron or Alternity Starscream.
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SARA stablizes the Cloud World:
The Cloud World obtains energy from the multiverse:
According to Vector Prime, the Cloud Autobots were involved to fight off against Hytherion in the great Universe War, making them relative to the Alternity:
(Ofc you know one of the Alternity's level.)
Conclusion:
Both of them can be put at Low 2-C (Universe+, infinite 4D) at Bare minimum via Megatron controlling infinite spacetime. Normally, Optimus can get to High 1-C (High Complex Multiversal) or higber dimensional level since he was comparable to the likes of the Alternity.
Through amps, Optimus was amped by the Matrix and Megatron was amped by SARA, so they are probably around 1-B (Hyperversal) via SARA being Multiverse level and Megatron threatening to destroy the multiverse.
Hmmm interesting actually Optimus at the end of the story got the power of two matrix and the power of SARA and he gained a strange state of divine transcendence.Optimus Prime & Megatron (Cloud World) Scaling
View attachment 3052
Basically these versions of the character. Before we do something, let us give a brief Introduction about these versions.
This version of Optimus Prime basically focuses on him being the leader of the Spacetime officers (Typically refers to the Autobots of Cloud World) safeguarding the multiverse itself. However, things changed when Megatron decides rather if he can get SARA for power, leading Optimus to banish Megatron from Metropolis and the war basically starts between Autobots and Decepticons for SARA
Basically in the final chapter, Optimus defeats Megatron in his "Dimension Mode" within the Matrix:
Megatron throughout the story absorbs the power of SARA.
View attachment 3053
With that, he got full control over SARA's power:
Megatron's Fusion Blade is made fusing metals from different dimensions, with the fusion blade, he can seal through dimensions and basically start invading them in general. He can equip SARA's Dimension Mode and according to the narrative itself, he would have threatened to end the Multiverse including the Cloud World itself:
(Typically the term "SpaceTime World" was referring to the multiverse as it was referred to be a collection of spacetimes or universal streams/clusters if you wanna go in American terms)
Megatron with SARA's power was said to control spacetime itself:
According to SARA, Spacetime was said to be infinite.
View attachment 3056
SARA Megatron's powers would have turned the WHOLE multiverse into pure chaos:
For Optimus, he has the Matrix with him. Within inside of the Matrix, that what contains SARA's " unknown Dimension Mode power".
Even also in his bios it was said he can equip SARA's power:
View attachment 3057
It was said whoever grants SARA's powers can rival enemies like Unicron or Alternity Starscream.
View attachment 3058
SARA stablizes the Cloud World:
The Cloud World obtains energy from the multiverse:
According to Vector Prime, the Cloud Autobots were involved to fight off against Hytherion in the great Universe War, making them relative to the Alternity:
(Ofc you know one of the Alternity's level.)
Conclusion:
Both of them can be put at Low 2-C (Universe+, infinite 4D) at Bare minimum via Megatron controlling infinite spacetime. Normally, Optimus can get to High 1-C (High Complex Multiversal) or higher dimensional level since he was comparable to the likes of the Alternity.
Through amps, Optimus was amped by the Matrix and Megatron was amped by SARA, so they are probably around 1-B (Hyperversal) via SARA being Multiverse level and Megatron threatening to destroy the multiverse.
— Optimus… you… — Megatron breathed out. The body of Optimus Prime, the reborn enemy before me, radiates a bright light. Its shine is a beautiful and divine green, the same as SARAH’s hair, and Optimus, who now possesses the miracle of two matrices and SARAH’s power, is in a state where he has gained a power that can be called spatial power. .. It is also called dimensional mode. Everything was as it should be. Optimus raised his hands in front of him, as if meditating for a while, then lowered them, as if returning his consciousness to this place.
“Now… Optimus opened a dimensional gate in deep space. I was surprised that he could accomplish such a feat.”
“…My precious friends have been sent away. All that remains is to take them.” SARAH will step away from you and return to Cloud, — Optimus spoke in a calm tone, although intense energy emanated from him. It gave me a sense of transcendental divinity.ohhh interesting ability for Optimus right there. Yeah I know, funny to know bro used a fucking death combo to beat Megatron.Hmmm interesting actually Optimus at the end of the story got the power of two matrix and the power of SARA and he gained a strange state of divine transcendence.
Code:— Optimus… you… — Megatron breathed out. The body of Optimus Prime, the reborn enemy before me, radiates a bright light. Its shine is a beautiful and divine green, the same as SARAH’s hair, and Optimus, who now possesses the miracle of two matrices and SARAH’s power, is in a state where he has gained a power that can be called spatial power. .. It is also called dimensional mode. Everything was as it should be. Optimus raised his hands in front of him, as if meditating for a while, then lowered them, as if returning his consciousness to this place. “Now… Optimus opened a dimensional gate in deep space. I was surprised that he could accomplish such a feat.” “…My precious friends have been sent away. All that remains is to take them.” SARAH will step away from you and return to Cloud, — Optimus spoke in a calm tone, although intense energy emanated from him. It gave me a sense of transcendental divinity.
Optimus is able to fly fast enough to go beyond the Earth's orbit and then accelerate and fly into deep space to Cybertron, from what is known from the prequel comics, Cybertron is at least in another star system and probably even further.
This should be comparable to its combat speed, as it can maneuver and make sharp movements in flight.
I actually didn't watch The Last Knight at all so I don't remember where Cybertron was at that time.И спустя три года Оптимус не покинул Солнечную систему.
Transformers is going to be the strongest franchise?Hmmm interesting actually Optimus at the end of the story got the power of two matrix and the power of SARA and he gained a strange state of divine transcendence.
Code:— Optimus… you… — Megatron breathed out. The body of Optimus Prime, the reborn enemy before me, radiates a bright light. Its shine is a beautiful and divine green, the same as SARAH’s hair, and Optimus, who now possesses the miracle of two matrices and SARAH’s power, is in a state where he has gained a power that can be called spatial power. .. It is also called dimensional mode. Everything was as it should be. Optimus raised his hands in front of him, as if meditating for a while, then lowered them, as if returning his consciousness to this place. “Now… Optimus opened a dimensional gate in deep space. I was surprised that he could accomplish such a feat.” “…My precious friends have been sent away. All that remains is to take them.” SARAH will step away from you and return to Cloud, — Optimus spoke in a calm tone, although intense energy emanated from him. It gave me a sense of transcendental divinity.
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