Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Xhominid The Apex]

I know that's a dumb argument, but...

SB also tried to claim moving mountains was less impressive than destroying a city block (filled with much smaller hollow buildings).

Reminds me of how SB tends to literally believe making Mountains from the splash damage of an attack means nothing whatsoever in terms of DC or AP:



At this point, you generally gotta believe anyone seriously into or believe in Spacebattles is genuinely retarded.

 

[seth]

Sosuke Aizen(Bleach) vs Kiara Sessyoin(Fate)

Both are in-character, and there is no knowledge or prep. The Location is SERAPH, and the distance is 30 meters. This is EoS Aizen and Beast Kiara. The Victory Conditions are Death, BFR, and Incapacitation.

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[Getsa]

 

[Proto234]

Morgan (Fate Grand Order) vs Madara Uchiha (Naruto)

Because it’s not relevant here. Not only are they weapons mounted on castle walls, but the distance is literally 20 meters. Even if she could fire one off at this distance, she would end up blowing herself up. Unfortunately all of her powerful abilities are stuff done off-screen with an...

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13 Likes for this absolute garbage post, Jesus Christ SB...



...Like that stopped Goddess Rhongomyniad who fired it only a few meters away from Mash, Ritsuka, Da Vinci and Bedivere...
Hell, when does that happen with most Noble Phantasms like Artoria doing a pointblank Excalibur to Gilgamesh if F/SN?



No they aren't, you lying fuck. Most of what Morgan does is literally instantaneous with barely any prep time. The only Magecraft that took time was The Water Mirror and that was due to how the Calamities pop up and her waiting for it to appear in Norwich.
Madara gets shitstomped into the dirt and Morgan proceeds to solo the verse and create a new nation for herself.

Hell, if she's that weak then Aurora, Knocknarea or any other fae has already overthrown her. There's a reason why Oberon states that fighting her upfront is suicide.

And not sure for the bolded. Morgan loved Britain even if it doesn't loved her back. She wouldn't care for Konoha (despite its citizen far more better than the fae)

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Hell, if she's that weak then Aurora, Knocknarea or any other fae has already overthrown her. There's a reason why Oberon states that fighting her upfront is suicide.

The problem with that is that they are deliberately ignoring all of the context and treat Morgan as if she's as durable as Medea when that's false(And considering even then Medea has took some ridiculous attacks and lived, that's a testament to how durable Morgan is anyway). Again, Woodwose has the shortest of tempers was going at Morgan legit trying to kill her and it's been stated time and time again Woodwose is stupid strong for a Faerie and actually on the level of a Tam Lin.
One Attack or several, Morgan was still alive and put in a counter attack that killed him simply by creating a weapon and stabbing him in a vital area. This is also hilarious given that it took Caster Artoria, Ritsuka with Shadow Servants, Oberon and Da Vinci at the most barest of minimums to defeat a single clone of Morgan, if she was as weak as advertised, Caster Artoria alone should have bodied her, let alone any Clan Head or Woodwose.

And not sure for the bolded. Morgan loved Britain even if it doesn't loved her back. She wouldn't care for Konoha (despite its citizen far more better than the fae)

I was being jokey ironic, that's the thing.

Sosuke Aizen(Bleach) vs Kiara Sessyoin(Fate)

Both are in-character, and there is no knowledge or prep. The Location is SERAPH, and the distance is 30 meters. This is EoS Aizen and Beast Kiara. The Victory Conditions are Death, BFR, and Incapacitation.

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Just looking at that topic makes me shake my head something fierce...

 

[Proto234]

The problem with that is that they are deliberately ignoring all of the context and treat Morgan as if she's as durable as Medea when that's false(And considering even then Medea has took some ridiculous attacks and lived, that's a testament to how durable Morgan is anyway). Again, Woodwose has the shortest of tempers was going at Morgan legit trying to kill her and it's been stated time and time again Woodwose is stupid strong for a Faerie and actually on the level of a Tam Lin.
One Attack or several, Morgan was still alive and put in a counter attack that killed him simply by creating a weapon and stabbing him in a vital area. This is also hilarious given that it took Caster Artoria, Ritsuka with Shadow Servants, Oberon and Da Vinci at the most barest of minimums to defeat a single clone of Morgan, if she was as weak as advertised, Caster Artoria alone should have bodied her, let alone any Clan Head or Woodwose.



I was being jokey ironic, that's the thing.



Just looking at that topic makes me shake my head something fierce...

For the bolded, probably not Spriggan though, even if Morgan is as "weak" as advertised (which is bullshit) since he's actually a human mage and should be weaker than all the other clan heads

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Sosuke Aizen(Bleach) vs Kiara Sessyoin(Fate)

Not the case by the end of the series. I don’t know why Kyoka Suigetsu working on everyone, up to and including Yhwach, is evidence for Bleach characters being weak to illusions rather than evidence for Kyoka Suigetsu being an extremely strong power. Illusion magic exists in Bleach, yet only...

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I don’t know why Kyoka Suigetsu working on everyone, up to and including Yhwach, is evidence for Bleach characters being weak to illusions rather than evidence for Kyoka Suigetsu being an extremely strong power.

It's always one extreme or it's the other extreme...
Either everyone in Bleach is weak to illusions or KS is the most broken power in all of existence...

Illusion magic exists in Bleach, yet only Kyoka Suigetsu is treated as an unconditional “I win” button.

No it's not? That's the entire point of Gin's rant in the FKT is that Sosuke Aizen is ludicrously strong even if you take away Kyoka Suigetsu because it makes no difference. CFYOW makes this ludicrously clear in that using KS didn't turn Tokinada into a monster, it just allowed the Captains, Espada and Sternritter to not instantly murder him through sheer numbers and he still needed Aura's assistance otherwise.

To be clear, I’m not arguing it’d work on Kiara; only against the idea that Kyoka Suigetsu isn’t powerful because Bleach characters have bad “illusion resistance”. It’s circular logic;

Or you can just point out that there is Illusion Kidou in Bleach... like the one "Aizen" used to peep on Hirako and the latter instantly noticed it and dispelled it(Though you can say that was done purposefully so that Hirako can further distrust Aizen so...)

Kyoka Suigetsu works on everyone -> why? -> Bleach characters are weak to illusions -> why? ->Kyoka Suigetsu works on everyone

Uh, that doesn't flip the script like you think it does...
It's a literal 360 which flips back into either it being strong as hell or everyone else is just weak to it. It's not the deal breaker you think it is anywhere else but SB. It's the same logic people used to make Sharingan Genjutsu far more powerful than it actually is, thus it can totally defeat The Living Tribunal.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

uh i mean just like in any series a character would need to show they can see through illusions to not be weak to them?? it doesn't make kyoka suigetsu a bad technique, but the 'why are bleach characters weak to illusions?' question seems...pretty obvious

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

uh i mean just like in any series a character would need to show they can see through illusions to not be weak to them?? it doesn't make kyoka suigetsu a bad technique, but the 'why are bleach characters weak to illusions?' question seems...pretty obvious

That's true and it's why it feels like people are trying to really cover for it when they have no clue what they are saying doesn't disprove the point.
As I stated before, there is Illusion Kidou in Bleach but it can be broken through by a Captain... except we know that Aizen wanted Shinji to notice it so that scene doesn't really work as well as it should.

The issue further gets muddied when we get to Shinji's Sakandae in that everyone equally caught it in is basically boned outside of Aizen(Which is heavily implied he used KS on HIMSELF to avoid it) and Bambietta(Who literally blew everything up and happened to catch Shinji). And when you have even The Almighty fall into it, as you stated yourself, it does easily fall into everyone else just being susceptible to illusions, not that it's the most powerful hax ever.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Sosuke Aizen(Bleach) vs Kiara Sessyoin(Fate)

That’s not really the problem? Assuming Aizen thinks that Kiara is hot, then Kiara’s ability will go into effect and try to render his soul defenseless and then absorb it. No one in Fate has demonstrated the ability to act even when their soul is separated from their body, technically...

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No one in Fate has demonstrated the ability to act even when their soul is separated from their body, technically speaking, which is why most characters are rendered defenseless from her attack.

...That is metaphorically true but this is also a load of shit.
There's this thing called Resistance and it's the reason why Mages tend to not use things like Hypnosis or try and damage peoples' souls directly and it takes usually someone overpowered like Medea to be able to override it easily.

EDIT: I just remembered that yeah, Pseudo-Spiritrons exists and Mages can very much screw around with souls that way with Rayshifting and the entire process of uploading people into the Moon Cell...

It is basic training, however, to be able to fight as a soul. In effect, Kiara’s charming ability works by absorbing the soul, but she has no feats of doing it against someone who has experience with abilities similar in nature.

...This is literally not how Bleach works, holy fuck...
Kaien literally explained this shit to Rukia as Plus's, Minus's and Soul Reapers still have a spiritual body that is housing their souls. They are not fighting as a soul because that's literally not how they fight at all. Like goddamnit, can people seriously stop allowing this stupidity to happen?
And again, it's a massive NLF because they expect that "Soul Reapers train with their souls, they are capable of dealing with people who can mess with souls" when no Soul Reaper has ever fought someone like Kiara before... ever.

 

[Cryso Agori]

No one in Fate has demonstrated the ability to act even when their soul is separated from their body,

Uh... Hakuno anybody? Extella literally has his mind, body and soul separate and still act on their own.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Uh... Hakuno anybody? Extella literally has his mind, body and soul separate and still act on their own.

You can literally point to more than just them as that's the case for basically everyone in the Moon Cell during it's Great Holy Grail War.
Hakuno in Extella just makes it even more apparent considering that yeah, they split off into multiple different parts and was still active and can even live without the Body(But the Body can't live without the Mind or Soul for long).

By comparison, Soul Reapers can:
- Die of Blood Loss
- Die from lack of Oxygen
- Can starve to death(While Soul Reapers don't need to eat, if they are too weak, they do get hungry)
- Decompose

I don't think that these are things just plain souls have to worry about...

 

[Paxton]

Angel of water vs Angel of ZAX

Profiles: Gabriel | Coronzon

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@Churronzon stop cooking

 

[Churronzon]

Angel of water vs Angel of ZAX

Profiles: Gabriel | Coronzon

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@Churronzon stop cooking

yeah someone gave me the idea of Izzard vs Coronzon; I shoulda done that

They both use the laws of Beriah, so I figured why not

I see. Coronzon lurks behind the Sephiroth, not the Qliphoth. You’re a demon, but you’re
also a gatekeeper who never falls from the tree. I see, I see. You form your power from the
laws of the Olam Beriah, not the Olam Asiyah! Yeah, this is interesting!! You can probably
earn a participation trophy and an ‘A for Effort’ for this!!”

Yes.

The pure elements did not exist in this world and they would never mix with anything else.
Just like pure water and monopoles behaved differently just by being a single pure thing.
Even if it did not have the perfect negation ability of Imagine Breaker, it could push the
enemy away like a moving wall. Gabriel controlled the same water anyone could use, so
why was that archangel such a threat? This was the same. The element was identical, but
the level of purity was far greater.

 

[Atem]

It always makes me laugh how with zero hesitation SB wanks the fucking hell out of things they actually like using the same kind of expanded universe they criticize for Star Wars. Just look at Halo. Forerunners have universe eating technology? Perfectly consistent! Just ignore every other writer who contradicts it. A force sensitive moving a moderately large boulder with ease? Breaks canon! The narrative has been raped!

The double standard is hilarious.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

It always makes me laugh how with zero hesitation SB wanks the fucking hell out of things they actually like using the same kind of expanded universe they criticize for Star Wars. Just look at Halo. Forerunners have universe eating technology? Perfectly consistent! Just ignore every other writer who contradicts it. A force sensitive moving a moderately large boulder with ease? Breaks canon! The narrative has been raped!

The double standard is hilarious.

I will be honest here. While SB does downplay the living shit out of Star Wars by using Disney Cannon, proclaiming that they get stomped by series like RWBY when the opposite is true, I still don’t buy that Universal Luke argument.

 

[Bob74h]

'Sasori can beat any kage not named hashirama or naruto''


Sasori fans are the biggest morons in the naruto fanbase

 

[Bob74h]

lore scaling bs has gone too far

 

[Darth Nihilus]

SpaceBattles again huh

 

[LeonLex]

Sasori fans are the biggest morons in the naruto fanbase

I didn't even know Sasori had fans, there's nothing that interesting about him.
Dude over there doesn't know that all Kage have AOE, some even specialize in AOE vaporization and others have AOE Unga Bunga.