Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Xhominid The Apex]

He didn't raise his sword, simply took a step in the ln saying that I don't disagree, just felt the need to point out it wasn't quite as much as he got in the anime. (Though tbh the whole thing is kinda pointless to speculate on, gazef was never going to reach/harm ainz) In a lot of ways letting gazef use the sword was cruel.

Someone pulled something from the LN that showed he lifted his sword before he got frozen.

Not really, it was level eighty to eighty-five (so in the range of lord wrath) and could supposedly have endangered the entire country/world if it wasn't stopped. It's noted for having a massive health pool far exceeding its level, ainz considered it may have been a raid boss, saying that again cocytus was going to cut in half before albedo shoulder checked it to ensure they didn't disappoint ainz (Ainz wanted to see them work together to beat it, even though they all noted they could beat it by themselves. Cocytus figured he could bring glory by one shotting it/cutting it in half so albedo stopped him)

Just like in DBZ till we got more shit from it, destroying the Country/World doesn't mean shit alone considering it could destroy it just by basically bulldozing everything around it and the rest of that still means nothing.

It's a hundred meters tall and made of wood, with three-hundred-meter-long tendrils (Coctyus destroys two of them with the swing of his sword as well) Like even assuming it was normal wood that is a shit load of material, and we know that level thirty monsters have hides comparable to steel. Making it rather doubtful the level eighty monster is only as tough as normal wood.

I don't know the math but obliterating two three-hundred-meter-long wooden tentacles in a single strike seems liable to give some noteworthy results.

I won't lie getting solid numbers out of it is probably borderline impossible as it's not a fight thats liable to be adapted but it's also likely to be the bets results we have in the realm of physicallity.

I mean all of that makes it worse, not better because again, being comparable to steel is not that much and there's nothing at all there showing it's anything more than Building Tier.

 

[Randomdude]

Someone pulled something from the LN that showed he lifted his sword before he got frozen.



Just like in DBZ till we got more shit from it, destroying the Country/World doesn't mean shit alone considering it could destroy it just by basically bulldozing everything around it and the rest of that still means nothing.



I mean all of that makes it worse, not better because again, being comparable to steel is not that much and there's nothing at all there showing it's anything more than Building Tier.

There is a line about his sword held high, my bad, the description simply says he took a step, its only noted later that his sword was held high.

I don't disagree and assume thats what they meant, the things level eighty, short of zesshi, her father, or the dragon lords taking action it could have done whatever it wanted and nobody could have stopped it.

Im giving you the best we got, to be technical it's probably much tougher then adamantite (A soft metal only used by level thirties and below...though also the strongest material in new world we've seen), which is a fictional metal that is stronger then orichalcum another fictional metal, which is stronger then mithril, which finally is stronger than steel. How strong is steel in overlord? Hard to say for sure but with the fact they have steel suspension bridges/other modern esq constructions I assume it's much higher qaulity then you'd expect from a seemingly "Midevil" world

And with that you have a fundamental problem with overlord, even new worlders get into weird tiering bullshit where the stuff they're using is unquantifiably stronger then the stuff before. And none of that stuff is worth anything to entities on ainz level, where you should be using the prismatic ores which are some god only knows how many tiers above admantite.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

There is a line about his sword held high, my bad, the description simply says he took a step, its only noted later that his sword was held high.

I don't disagree and assume thats what they meant, the things level eighty, short of zesshi, her father, or the dragon lords taking action it could have done whatever it wanted and nobody could have stopped it.

Im giving you the best we got, to be technical it's probably much tougher then adamantite (A soft metal only used by level thirties and below...though also the strongest material in new world we've seen), which is a fictional metal that is stronger then orichalcum another fictional metal, which is stronger then mithril, which finally is stronger than steel. How strong is steel in overlord? Hard to say for sure but with the fact they have steel suspension bridges/other modern esq constructions I assume it's much higher qaulity then you'd expect from a seemingly "Midevil" world

And with that you have a fundamental problem with overlord, even new worlders get into weird tiering bullshit where the stuff they're using is unquantifiably stronger then the stuff before. And none of that stuff is worth anything to entities on ainz level, where you should be using the prismatic ores which are some god only knows how many tiers above admantite.

Like I'm not dogging you, I feel like you think I'm dogging you because you know Overlord and I'm not. I'm only trying to get what you are saying and yet none of it makes Ainz, the Raid Bosses or even The New World look threatening. For instance, you bring up the fact that Adamantite is only used for level 30's and is weaker than the other fictional metals... but again how strong is that in Overlord and how you are stating it, none of it means anything.

For instance in FGO, everything that comes from the Machine Greek Gods is coined "Adamas" which heavily implies it's Adamantium and we have seen it block all sorts of ridiculous shit and that's not getting into Mithril actually having some damn stronger properties than Steel when Servants can casually crumple Steel and Mages see Steel as nothing to write home about. That's just one series example of the sheer difference of Adamantium, Orichalcum and Mithril and other series have massive differences when they include these metals.

And yes, that's why I find Overlord fundamentally impossible to do any real debates with because if they also get into the tiering, how does that supposed to show how much stronger someone is relative to others? Like as much as I see others state how hard it is to get a good grasp on Fate because it's primarily VN based, even the VNs tend to just tell it to you straight on how strong certain characters or what they can do are or why they can't do specific actions rather than just go "Your Magic Resistance is too low, your Mana levels are too weak" and so on and so forth. Hell, I have seen other LN and VNs do the same shit and actually clarify better than Overlord does, even SAO clarifies it better.

 

[Randomdude]

The best base line we have for new worlders is the author has stated that a level 15 should be capable of beating a brown bear in a wrestling match and that he considers new worlds to be far far stronger then real world humans to the point he doesn't consider them the same species. (which is lampshaded in universe by the faster gestation of human offspring and the naturally more gorgous people)

Anything higher and your in the weird tiering area where it generally just becomes a matter of who you can't beat based on stats/levels.

I should work on a respect thread after my next re read, see if I can make something that makes sense of everything. I suspect I cant but Ill give it a shot.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Not sure if true or not. But on Reddit someone said that during the Elf Arc Mare explicitly could not destroy cities in a single attack. Despite him trying to do so to impress Ainz.

 

[Randomdude]

Not sure if true or not. But on Reddit someone said that during the Elf Arc Mare explicitly could not destroy cities in a single attack. Despite him trying to do so to impress Ainz.

It's somewhat true, the central issue is mare's spells have limited range and he has to be sure that everyone is dead/nobody crawls out of the rubble to escape. It should also be noted mare notes he could/would just use another aoe spell to kill them all but he doesn't want to waste his masters "precious" time. He also doesn't want to use fire spells/spells that cause overly visible destruction beyond the aoe as it could panic others into fleeing there homes/towns/cities. resulting in him having to hunt them/them needing to be hunted down. (It's why he was avoiding using fire spells in particular)

Soul eaters are honestly a far better choice for the whole thing as they could kill everyone within a city/area and leave all the infrastructure intact with next to no chance for the citizens to panic/flee, most will die in there homes when the aoe death aura clips them...saying that ainz wasn't really interested in the infrastructure or efficiency to begin with and burned several cities to ash with repeated use of fireball from a squandered of elder liches basically to see if they could.

 

[Adamant soul]

Renamon VS Rob Lucci

In honor of...recent events. Preskip Lucci

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Renamon left behind a trail of Dokugumon corpses during her rampage to get Miyuki back.

Neat, Dokugamon and the majority of Adult levels are fodder to pre-skip Lucci, let alone current Lucci.

Falcomon also said that he senses an "overwhelming feeling of power" which is referring to Renamon.

That doesn't really help her here unless you can quantify it which I'm guessing you can't.

Archnemon there alone necessitates the heroes interference and Renamon DYING is a lose condition, meaning she WILL die without their help and Lucci would beat Archnemon as well.

 

[Blade]

overall, just by quick checking the first page of the fanzverse obd vs section, the first thing that comes in my mind, why so many bad vs threads? why so many terrible posts?


















then i remember, that section is modless, literally, none mod cares about it, keishin and his heralds truly rule that section = obd 2027 lore strikes again

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ainz-ooal-gown-overlord-runs-a-fate-gauntlet.1144966/page-8?post=99031136#post-99031136

I said Medea can't run away because Ainz will just see through her, follow her, or bind her in place.

And here's the following question: Why can't Medea stop Ainz from running away, seeing through her or binding her in place? Why can't she do these things to Ainz? The more you have idiots like R S and Nyarly saying these things without explaining why, the more moronic Overlord looks in the process because we are... just supposed to believe he can because "Ainz" or "World Items".

What do you mean "and she the same"? On mooks, hers kinda can't get around flight while Ainz's own can.

How? How can Ainz override Medea's Flight but Medea can't override Ainz's? None of this was explained by BellowAll nor Nyarly so why the fuck would it work? Again, no details are explained, it's just words and "just trust me bro!" over and over again

Ainz passes the mana stat check,

Prove he can pass the Magical Energy check to deal with Gate of Sky because this jackass doesn't realize Servants carry insane loads of Magical Energy in comparison to anyone in Overlord.

he's immune to instant death

Prove he's immune to Instant Death by Nasuverse standards, Overlord's doesn't count.

and he's immune to mana drain

PROVE IT! Saying it =/= proof you dumbass motherfucker!

Gate of Skye does literally nothing.

NLF argument out the fucking ass with no proof past "Trust Me Bro!" but we should fully believe you that all of Medea's attacks are weaker than Nuclear Bombs because Nasu said so... once... while making a scene in HF that's more powerful than any known Nuclear Bomb Medea does casually... no what her weaker self would have done in Prisma Illya.

LB6

And you ain't proving it worth a fucking damn past being a retardedly wrong contrarian.

 

[King]

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[Adamant soul]

Can any of the regulars here explain how Yoruichi without Shunkō: Raijū Senkei: Shunryū Kokubyō Senki poses even a remote challenge for Barragan?

Partially want to know for laughs due to absurdity, and partially want to know due to serious curiosity. edit: Base Barragan blitzed Soi Fon, which Yoruichi couldn't do in ss arc. Base Barragan also has senesce, which lowers speed of enemy. Released Barragan has even better reaction speed, and...

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Partially want to know for laughs due to absurdity,

Barragan even being threatend by a character who rocked an evolved version of Barragan's much more powerful lord is absurd?

and partially want to know due to serious curiosity.

No you don't.

edit: Base Barragan blitzed Soi Fon, which Yoruichi couldn't do in ss arc.

Yes when Yoruichi was massively weakened due to 100 years of rust and even damaged her hands hitting BASE Yammy soon after.
What does this have to do with FKT Yoruichi who damaged an evolved Aizen while Base Aizen blitzed Soi Fon's shit?

Base Barragan also has senesce, which lowers speed of enemy.

It ain't gonna matter here, the speed gap is too big.

Released Barragan has even better reaction speed, and has Respira, who even Soi Fon cannot outrun, who matched SS arc Yoruichi in shunpo speed.

And yet he still gets blitzed because Respira needs time to work and Yoruichi isn't gonna give him it.
Hell she could actually just kill him with the air pressure of a Shunko punch if she felt like it.

 

[King]

Goetia vs Yhwach

Rule -No time to prepare -Without knowledge -Battle in Paris -Victory by death

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. @Adamant soul

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ainz-ooal-gown-overlord-runs-a-fate-np-skills-gauntlet.1145621/

(not in order, he advances to the next round even if he loses)

1. Mystic Eyes of Distortion
2. Ea
3. Tiamat's black mud
4. Melt Virus
5. Trash&Crush
6. Piedra Del Sol

You can tell this thread was made just to basically see how Overlord fans will pretend Ainz can weasel his way out of shit he has no right to deal with... so dude went with the most ridiculous shit possible just to see how they can twist it.

I feel like this gauntlet is kinda rigged for Ainz to fail. Without teleporting or "dodging" he's lost his primary means of survival. And he can't cheese it with self-revives either. Its like asking Spiderman to "Survive" several attacks but you disable his spider sense and paralyze him.

Considering you have BellowAll and Nyarly state he's immune to shit straight up and act like he can cast his skills instantly AND he has an Hour of Prep Time, he should have all the time in the world to make himself immune to these things...
If he needs to teleport and dodge, then that's not how that works especially when it's been shown that Ainz is slow as hell relative to even SB's depiction of the speed of the Nasuverse.

1. Ainz is a skeleton with no vital organs. While Fujino's NP clearly shows that she works on a scale large enough for her powers to work. I don't think she's one shotting Ainz anytime soon just by a pure design standpoint. She'd have to repeatedly blast him until he was smithereens from all the twisting.

...You need vital organs to be hurt by Fujino's Mystic Eyes of Distortion? Because that's literally not what she does in KnK or her NP in FGO does...



It literally tore the whole bridge apart in an effort to kill Ryougi, Ainz wouldn't be protected at all from it considering it literally folds space to twist the object and Fujino very much breaks the persons' bones twisting them.

2. Ainz teleports away or dies horribly. Since teleporting is banned by the OP, he dies horribly.

He literally cannot teleport away in the first place considering what Ea does. Does Ainz leave Reality itself when he teleports?

3. Ainz teleports or levitates away or dies horribly. Since teleporting is banned by the OP, and presumably so is flying since its 'dodging' he dies horribly.

My brother in Christ, Tiamat's Primordial Sea has shown to literally ignore the Laws of Physics in the anime, Ainz teleporting or levitating ain't doing shit and again, that is literally not part of the rules.

4-5. I imagine its the same as 2-3. However I am not as knowledgable about their abilities, so I will refrain from making a final judgements.

1. He cannot teleport away or levitate from Trash and Crash, hell, that is THE WORST THING Ainz can do considering Passionlip can not only crush the person she is finger framing but the space itself.

2. It's very clear that the TC means Melt Virus already infecting him, not Meltryllis needing to stab him(Which she would anyway) and no, he has no answer for her literally robbing him of everything including his intelligence and melting him into whatever she wants.

6. Ainz teleports away or dies horribly. Since teleporting is banned by the OP. he dies horribly.

It's funny instead of pointing out what Ainz can have or wear or anything, it's literally running like a bitch or levitating away with no explanation of how he would deal with the attack despite the shit he has...
Really does mean Ainz's shit means jack and shit in a VS. debate like alot of us always knew.

 

[Papa Nier]

overall, just by quick checking the first page of the fanzverse obd vs section, the first thing that comes in my mind, why so many bad vs threads? why so many terrible posts?


















then i remember, that section is modless, literally, none mod cares about it, keishin and his heralds truly rule that section = obd 2027 lore strikes again

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ainz-ooal-gown-overlord-runs-a-fate-np-skills-gauntlet.1145621/?post=99040475#post-99040475

No cell structure to have genetic geass's enforced on him

Neither do Servants and guess what? They are not immune to Grail Mud nor the Primordial Sea.

Immune to poison and power drain.

Really love the casual NLF that we should accept because it's Ainz and not even remotely get near it when it's Servants or anything else in the Nasuverse... gotta love that consistency.

Melts virus also has the somewhat bad feats of not auto killing Shinji and Robin.

It literally doesn't, not in Extra/CCC, not in FGO where she uses it in Summer 4.

Its more of a become strong power and malus your opponent then grr oneshot.

There is literally a chapter right now in the FGO SERAPH Manga that has them fight Meltryllis in her Secret Garden and her Melt Virus is still shown to be absolutely ludicrous, even fucking up the Servants when they block her attacks, let alone actually get stabbed by her.

He's made of spooky death energy and dissolves when dying. And servants are similar but they mimic all bodily functions like hearts n bloodflows n cells n shit for whatever reason.

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This dude is just that fucking stupid to not understand that reasoning does not work when Servants only mimic it, they don't actually need it to work like Humans do to stick around:

Here, Servants will not be defeated by excessive bleeding. Here, cutting off a Servants limbs to defeat them is possible, but cutting off a Servant's limb is difficult.

Like none of this makes sense and it only further shows how up in their own ass Overlord fanboys are, holy shit.

 

[SupremeZaarin]

What even is this matchup.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/terran-empire-gunbuster-vs-galactic-empire-star-wars.1145648/

I'm sure that Palpatine would just win this by simply spamming Force Storm everywhere. The fact that he got an 80 year prep time. He could use all of that time to make himself far more powerful.

 

[Proto234]

What even is this matchup.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/terran-empire-gunbuster-vs-galactic-empire-star-wars.1145648/

I'm sure that Palpatine would just win this by simply spamming Force Storm everywhere. The fact that he got an 80 year prep time. He could use all of that time to make himself far more powerful.

Yeah, about that, Terran's Gunbuster are far more powerful than.you can think since they regularly fought these beings

Space Monsters

The Space Monsters (宇宙怪獣; Uchū Kaijū), also known as the Space Terrible Monster Crowd (STMC) (宇宙怪獣軍団; Uchū Kaijū Gundan),[1] are the main antagonists of Top o Nerae! Gunbuster and Top o Nerae! 2: Diebuster. There are several different types, ranging from large insectoid aliens to entire organic...

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The titular mech itself can certainly solo Empire's fleet

Gunbuster (Mecha)

Super Lightspeed Universal Transformation Combining Machine Weapon Gunbuster (超光速万能大型変形合体マシン兵器 ガンバスター; Chō Kōsoku Banno Ōgata Henkei Gattai Machine Heiki Ganbasutā) is an extremely powerful mecha which is formed by combining Buster Machine 1 and Buster Machine 2, which are piloted by Noriko...

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I take it you never watch gunbuster

 

[SupremeZaarin]

Yeah, about that, Terran's Gunbuster are far more powerful than.you can think since they regularly fought these beings

Space Monsters

The Space Monsters (宇宙怪獣; Uchū Kaijū), also known as the Space Terrible Monster Crowd (STMC) (宇宙怪獣軍団; Uchū Kaijū Gundan),[1] are the main antagonists of Top o Nerae! Gunbuster and Top o Nerae! 2: Diebuster. There are several different types, ranging from large insectoid aliens to entire organic...

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The titular mech itself can certainly solo Empire's fleet

Gunbuster (Mecha)

Super Lightspeed Universal Transformation Combining Machine Weapon Gunbuster (超光速万能大型変形合体マシン兵器 ガンバスター; Chō Kōsoku Banno Ōgata Henkei Gattai Machine Heiki Ganbasutā) is an extremely powerful mecha which is formed by combining Buster Machine 1 and Buster Machine 2, which are piloted by Noriko...

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I take it you never watch gunbuster

The thread didn't exclude Force Sensitives from participating and it is using the EU.

Shadows of Mindor Luke Skywalker had linked with every star in the universe and increased their brightness.

And Shadows of Mindor Luke is literally nothing to Palpatine at his peak who had 80 years of prep time to do whatever he wants to increase his own power even further.

 

[King]

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[Doronbo_Shirake]

WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon (Digimon Adventure) vs. Super Dragonball Heroes

How far do these two get? They fight the entire verse all at once. Round 1: They cannot fuse into Omegamon Round 2: They can fuse into Omegamon

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The Digimon are obliterated or eaten by Ozotto.