Salfarc
Paramount
@Xhominid The Apex wasnt there a case of Servant not being able to drown? Was it in Olympus?
- We're looking for artists. Direct message Dr. Watson for more info!
Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
- Thread starter Masterblack06
- Start date
- Status
Well there is plenty of Fate adaptations that are Manga, Anime and Video Games you can point to instead and they are all canon that they refuse to use because it would basically destroy any and all credibility they have otherwise.
Nothing is more hilarious than seeing the Manga pages that Saber's Magical Energy was screwing with the weather in the area(This is when she was summoned by Shirou, by the way), EMIYA straight up dodging Lightning Bolts consecutively and Siegfried canonically can spam Balmungs like Sieg can with none of the issues(Which he only couldn't do in Apocrypha as somehow, his Dragon Reactor wasn't functioning properly when he was summoned).
It is outright stated in Atlantis that Servants can't drown as easily as humans can but they do need to breathe sometime to help with the Magical Energy Circulation. I believe this is also stated somewhere in either F/SN or HA as well which makes the whole thing stupid because again:
Servants bodies are made of Ether and only mimics the Human body in terms of how it works but not in the terms that it's needed for Servants(Servants' bleeding out isn't a possibility because the blood itself is just there to pretend otherwise). It's also why you can actually have Servants survive attacks to the Heart or Brain as long as they have enough Magical Energy to deal with it(We explicitly get the latter from Fate/Redline where Mori literally gets his entire head split open and he's still alive due to the Magical Energy he had available)
Interesting.
I must've missed those crossbow shots in NT9 fired by Othinus crossing a universe-sized distance (at bare minimum) in a matter of seconds.
I must've missed those same crossbow shots doing some shit that can hardly even be called "speed" at a certain point ("overcoming the restrictions of the 3rd dimension or w/e it said").
I must've missed Gungnir being thrown and enveloping all of the universe-sized dimensions Othinus created to destroy them all (again, in a matter of seconds).
This is all definitely worse than what Bleach has, of course.
Every top tier scales to this, including Accelerator.
This isn't complicated.
Light speed feats and magic fast enough to instantly affect everything in the entire Solar System at once to move celestial bodies around in just the first few volumes.
Interesting.
I must've missed those crossbow shots in NT9 fired by Othinus crossing a universe-sized distance (at bare minimum) in a matter of seconds.
I must've missed those same crossbow shots doing some shit that can hardly even be called "speed" at a certain point ("overcoming the restrictions of the 3rd dimension or w/e it said").
I must've missed Gungnir being thrown and enveloping all of the universe-sized dimensions Othinus created to destroy them all (again, in a matter of seconds).
This is all definitely worse than what Bleach has, of course.
Every top tier scales to this, including Accelerator.
This isn't complicated.
He’s lying as well. GenkiDama literally got into the Toaru franchise because he was looking for a series that could beat Naruto he could latch onto because he was that salty of Naruto regularly beating Clorox in debates on Comicvine.
Last edited:
I can't imagine puffing your chest over a single statement about speed when the speed in question is basically a lie? Where as supersonic is just generically fast with no real upper bound and not some kind of hand cuff.
Interesting.
I must've missed those crossbow shots in NT9 fired by Othinus crossing a universe-sized distance (at bare minimum) in a matter of seconds.
I must've missed those same crossbow shots doing some shit that can hardly even be called "speed" at a certain point ("overcoming the restrictions of the 3rd dimension or w/e it said").
I must've missed Gungnir being thrown and enveloping all of the universe-sized dimensions Othinus created to destroy them all (again, in a matter of seconds).
This is all definitely worse than what Bleach has, of course.
Every top tier scales to this, including Accelerator.
This isn't complicated.
Also, like, speed feats don't exist in Bleach until the last arc. The first notable speed feat came from Ichigo GTing some storm after getting his powers back fighting fucking Ginjo? And that's only because you can get a time frame from the air pressure moving his little tuft of hair.
@Paxton
comicvine.gamespot.com
See what I mean.
The circular logic he (and Zensum) were trying were, well if hax from Toaru beats Naruto, than that means Naruto can’t deal with hax.
Surely hax from Bleach does the same thing too!
And if they couldn’t convince Comicvine through that, they could still just keep venting and spamming Naruto spite threads
Naruto and Sasuke Vs Fiamma of the Right - Battles - Comic Vine
Since this guy is quite powerful apparently I want to test him a bit.Fiamma Vs Naruto and SasukeFiamma Starts aboard the Star of Bethlehem in his La P
comicvine.gamespot.com See what I mean.
The circular logic he (and Zensum) were trying were, well if hax from Toaru beats Naruto, than that means Naruto can’t deal with hax.
Surely hax from Bleach does the same thing too!
And if they couldn’t convince Comicvine through that, they could still just keep venting and spamming Naruto spite threads
Last edited:
Yeah, I have to agree there, Pax you are doing the same shit that you accuse SB of and I keep making fun of.
Supersonic has no actual arbitrary end whatsoever because all it is truly is being faster than sound. The only reason why you see things like Hypersonic and the like is more categories but that doesn't fit the definition of what Supersonic is at it's core.
en.wikipedia.org
And yeah, Bleach has speed feats for shit until the Final Arc as me and Chaos has said many times. Again there's a reason why in the OBD, Mach 29+ and City level Bleach stood the test of time and even the former is only from a Databook about how fast Ichigo's speed in Bankai is.
Supersonic has no actual arbitrary end whatsoever because all it is truly is being faster than sound. The only reason why you see things like Hypersonic and the like is more categories but that doesn't fit the definition of what Supersonic is at it's core.
Supersonic speed - Wikipedia
And yeah, Bleach has speed feats for shit until the Final Arc as me and Chaos has said many times. Again there's a reason why in the OBD, Mach 29+ and City level Bleach stood the test of time and even the former is only from a Databook about how fast Ichigo's speed in Bankai is.
What are you guys even talking about?
LordAizenSama said To Aru has poor speed feats and I brought up speed feats that he knows exists but chooses to lie about anyway.
I already know "supersonic" is just a way to generically call something super fast in a story.
LordAizenSama said To Aru has poor speed feats and I brought up speed feats that he knows exists but chooses to lie about anyway.
I already know "supersonic" is just a way to generically call something super fast in a story.
Genki’s doing a complete 180 because it’s about proving Bleach beats Toaru now and he’s salty because he’s getting clowned trying to do so.
He broski, if by any chance your seeing all this, let me know if I hit the nail on the head so far with everything I’ve said
He broski, if by any chance your seeing all this, let me know if I hit the nail on the head so far with everything I’ve said
I'm not going to talk for ChaosTheory but I do think he's pointing out your statement here:
Like how do you overcome speed as a concept and take that shit seriously? Like is it just teleportation because that ain't speed but if it's meant to be "Well it's beyond speed" then it has to be false because there's nothing about that which makes any kind of sense(And I'm not getting into the "Magic God" business).
But going to the point I want to talk about:
That's not what either me or Chaos meant. We mean that Supersonic is on the whole anything above the Speed of Sound period. There is no actual terms for going above the speed of sound but stopping at Y just like how there is no extra speed that's in a category above Mach or how you try and measure things Faster Than Light.
At the end of the day, they are ALL measurement tools. Just like how there is no thing that makes you go above Prime Numbers, there is nothing that stops Supersonic/Mach from being just 747 MPH... to basically as fast as Light itself and even beyond that. It's not only authors who do that, everyone does it.
Because Pax is referring to the other crossbow shots mentioned that spanned the entire universe in mere moments that you conveniently left out
@Xhominid The Apex Bro. It’s Genkidama that’s arguing Supersonic being taken at face value by Vs battle terms. Chaos was pointing that out to Genki’s argument
That entire tangent was pointless. Your not even arguing with the right person.
That entire tangent was pointless. Your not even arguing with the right person.
Randomdude
Paramount
This is actaully similar to how undead are treated in overlord, the physical condition of the body isn't what dictates an undead "living" or dying simply the amount of negative energy that is left in the body, which is what makes them such annoying opponents to fight...
Well that and the whole endless stamina issue meaning if your on the same level as them you're forced to finish the fight fast or eventually be worn down by an opponent that can just keep attacking without rest.
Satoru Gojo vs Kamijou Touma
This seems like a good battle of haxes Standard Battle Assumptions Speed equalized Present Gojo vs Base Touma Who wins and why?
lol
lmao
Galan
Preeminent
He thinks Grand Priest is weaker than SSG Goku
Randomdude
Paramount
I haven't gotten into dragon ball in a while but going off how the series is written...give it a few years and gokus bound to be stronger then it eventually.
Satoru Gojo vs Kamijou Touma
This seems like a good battle of haxes Standard Battle Assumptions Speed equalized Present Gojo vs Base Touma Who wins and why?vsbattles.com
lol
lmao
Gojo facing the Dragon Strike be like:
He thinks Grand Priest is weaker than SSG Goku
This nigga Fused just surpassed Artist levels of retardation in one post. God damn...
And I'm not denying that's the case... however, I can still point out Hydra Venom fucks up Servants as badly as it does for Humans(well... less so, Humans would instantly die just inhaling the shit and it melts their internal organs, Servants will die slower but still die the same way) so why would Ainz be immune to that?
Why would he be immune to Hassan of Serenity's poison considering that shit can corrode metal on touch and that's before we get to her actual use of her Noble Phantasm?
Zabaniya
Zabaniya (ザバーニーヤ, Zabānīya?) is the name of the Noble Phantasms of all the nineteen people who have taken the title of Hassan-i-Sabbah. Each one of the nineteen had to earn their title by proving their piety through obtaining a divine miracle bearing the name of ShayṭānWP that met the criteria...
typemoon.fandom.com Like it would make some real sense if again, it was demonstrated how far his poison tolerance goes but like everything else ever stated by them in SB, it's just "Take their word for it".
Dude gets called out, gets shown his main point doesn't even make sense with the shit he's even shown and then he gives this copout answer...
Of course...
He didn't, you just moved the goalposts again from his actual point.
Yes because there's somehow a difference from getting blasted by an elemental attack and just getting your head shot off...
Let's ignore Shaltear was disintegrated by Fallen Down just like Cure Elim was which makes this point even more ridiculous since at the end of the day, I can guarantee they would just be a corpse regardless unless blasted like that.
- Status