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this is why I reread this shit like a madman because there’s always something minor I missed even when it’s something I was originally arguing lol
like don’t get me wrong, I jumped the gun and it is still ultimately an unused pitch. Its just that it lines up with a fair amount of established lore, explains the black hole in a bit more depth than other material, and is supported by other statements Furman has made in canon material. TF is also unique in that it’s a rare series that has openly canonized unpublished stuff, and this continues to this day with concept art characters, and even characters from entirely rejected 86 movie scripts like “The Entity” getting toys now.
grillmaster
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honestly part of the fun atp is just seeing what unhinged bullshit we can find and how much of it is simon furman's fault
furman, sorenson, skir, and ichikawa
the dream team propping the tiering fir this series into levels it has no business dealing with
the dream team propping the tiering fir this series into levels it has no business dealing with
grillmaster
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grillmaster
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you think tf lore is crazy then bob skir pulls out the goddamn jewish mysticism scaling for primus
Thirteen prime
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Напомним, что вес Оптимуса колеблется от 4,3 тонны до 10 тонн мертвого металла, если принять это, то это будет от 120 до 280+ тонн тротила.
Thirteen prime
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And this is just the beginning of the first film.
Thirteen prime
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This doesn't mean about the universe, right?
grillmaster
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do you mean do or doesn't, when i wrote that it sounded possibly universal to me, mostly because shaking the entire universe would be a universal feat if said universe is infinite
eh "shakes the stars" is way too vague to be universe level to me
grillmaster
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true but i was tweaking at the time
its still not tfw2005 city level so that counts for something
Thirteen prime
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Мы помним, что даже аватары Примуса и Юникрона в бою способны сотрясать Вселенную каждым ударом.
grillmaster
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now this IS universal
ah yeah, thats the Legends mobile game storyline. Funnily enough I think it's supposed to be based on their original fight from Marvel, but they're in their robot bodies, so it has to take place after. Just more confirmation of individual god-bodies being universal and above
Thirteen prime
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Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed
The Plot Hole.
When the enormous black hole threatened to suck the entire universe in, the planet of Cybertron transformed into Primus and flew towards it. By blasting the dark matter flying out of the black hole, he caused debris to fly back into it, weakening and sealing it before it could destroy the whole of reality.
grillmaster
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lol fuck i forgot about this game, i actually played it years agoGames
Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed
The Plot Hole.
When the enormous black hole threatened to suck the entire universe in, the planet of Cybertron transformed into Primus and flew towards it. By blasting the dark matter flying out of the black hole, he caused debris to fly back into it, weakening and sealing it before it could destroy the whole of reality.
Thirteen prime
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the Transformers are massive, and Megatron's height of over 35 feet (around 10.6 meters) would significantly impact the distance calculation.
Let's reassess the distance Megatron would need to move to dodge the laser shot. Assuming a distance of 10-20 meters, as you suggested, we can recalculate the reaction time.
Using the same formula:
Reaction Time = Distance / Speed
With a distance of 15 meters (a rough average of 10-20 meters), and Megatron's speed still at around 100 m/s (for the sake of consistency):
Reaction Time = 15 meters / 100 m/s ≈ 0.15 seconds
Now, considering Predaking's slow-motion perception of 0.002 seconds, Megatron's reaction time in "real time" would be significantly faster:
Reaction Time (real time) ≈ 0.15 seconds / (0.002 seconds / 1 second) ≈ 0.00075 seconds
This means Megatron would need to react in approximately 0.00075 seconds to dodge the laser shot. That's an incredibly short timeframe, demonstrating Megatron's extraordinary reflexes and agility.
To calculate the speed range, we'll use the reaction time we previously estimated:
Reaction Time (real time) ≈ 0.00075 seconds
Since Megatron needs to move a distance of 15 meters to dodge the laser shot, we can calculate his speed:
Speed = Distance / Reaction Time ≈ 15 meters / 0.00075 seconds ≈ 20,000 m/s
Now, let's convert this speed to Mach numbers and explore the supersonic and hypersonic ranges:
1 Mach ≈ 343 m/s (at sea level and 20°C)
Megatron's speed in Mach numbers:
Speed (Mach) ≈ 20,000 m/s / 343 m/s ≈ 58.3 Mach
To put this into perspective:
At this speed, Megatron would be capable of generating intense sonic booms and shockwaves, making his movements extremely impressive and destructive.
Let's reassess the distance Megatron would need to move to dodge the laser shot. Assuming a distance of 10-20 meters, as you suggested, we can recalculate the reaction time.
Using the same formula:
Reaction Time = Distance / Speed
With a distance of 15 meters (a rough average of 10-20 meters), and Megatron's speed still at around 100 m/s (for the sake of consistency):
Reaction Time = 15 meters / 100 m/s ≈ 0.15 seconds
Now, considering Predaking's slow-motion perception of 0.002 seconds, Megatron's reaction time in "real time" would be significantly faster:
Reaction Time (real time) ≈ 0.15 seconds / (0.002 seconds / 1 second) ≈ 0.00075 seconds
This means Megatron would need to react in approximately 0.00075 seconds to dodge the laser shot. That's an incredibly short timeframe, demonstrating Megatron's extraordinary reflexes and agility.
To calculate the speed range, we'll use the reaction time we previously estimated:
Reaction Time (real time) ≈ 0.00075 seconds
Since Megatron needs to move a distance of 15 meters to dodge the laser shot, we can calculate his speed:
Speed = Distance / Reaction Time ≈ 15 meters / 0.00075 seconds ≈ 20,000 m/s
Now, let's convert this speed to Mach numbers and explore the supersonic and hypersonic ranges:
1 Mach ≈ 343 m/s (at sea level and 20°C)
Megatron's speed in Mach numbers:
Speed (Mach) ≈ 20,000 m/s / 343 m/s ≈ 58.3 Mach
To put this into perspective:
- Supersonic: above Mach 1 (343 m/s)
- Hypersonic: above Mach 5 (1,715 m/s)
- Megatron's speed: approximately 58.3 Mach, which is firmly in the hypersonic range!
At this speed, Megatron would be capable of generating intense sonic booms and shockwaves, making his movements extremely impressive and destructive.
Thirteen prime
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During the 15-minute onslaught, the United States would have unleashed a massive amount of firepower, considering the military capabilities of 1984. We'll focus on the most significant contributors to the overall energy output:
1. Artillery: Assuming a mix of howitzers, mortars, and other heavy artillery, let's estimate an average firepower of around 10-20 kilotons per minute (kt/min). Over 15 minutes, that's:
Energy from artillery ≈ 150-300 kt (15 min × 10-20 kt/min)
2. Fighter jets and bombers: With a fleet of aircraft firing their weapons simultaneously, we can estimate the energy output from their munitions. A rough estimate for a single fighter jet's payload is around 1-2 kilotons. Assuming 100-200 aircraft participating, that's:
Energy from air support ≈ 100-400 kt (100-200 aircraft × 1-2 kt each)
3. Tank fire and anti-tank missiles: With a large number of tanks and anti-tank missile systems firing, let's estimate an average firepower of around 1-5 kilotons per minute. Over 15 minutes, that's:
Energy from tank fire and anti-tank missiles ≈ 15-75 kt (15 min × 1-5 kt/min)
4. Naval gunfire: Assuming a few battleships and cruisers participating, with a combined firepower of around 10-20 kilotons per minute, that's:
Energy from naval gunfire ≈ 150-300 kt (15 min × 10-20 kt/min)
5. Other munitions: This includes missiles, rockets, and other non-nuclear weapons. Let's estimate an additional 100-200 kt of energy output from these sources.
Adding up the estimated energy output from all these sources, we get:
Total energy output ≈ 615-1,375 kt (150-300 kt + 100-400 kt + 15-75 kt + 150-300 kt + 100-200 kt)
To put this into perspective, the total energy output is equivalent to around 615-1,375 Hiroshima-sized atomic bombs (each with a yield of approximately 15 kt).
As for the force involved, we can estimate the combined force of all these munitions. Assuming an average force of around 10-20 tons per square inch (psi) for the artillery and tank fire, and around 100-200 psi for the air support and naval gunfire, the combined force would be:
Combined force ≈ 150,000-375,000 tons (15 min × 10,000-25,000 tons/min)
Keep in mind that these estimates are rough and based on simplified calculations. The actual energy output and force involved would depend on various factors, such as the specific weapons used, their quantities, and the duration of the attack.
Megatron's ability to withstand this onslaught for 15 minutes is a testament to his incredible resilience and strength.