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Alright fair tbh
But what do you think of the content of my last posts tbh. Do you agree or disagree?
I like it. I read Magic the same way for example. I was also told that's not how you read him, but still. Unsure what your takeaway with the Aurelian vs Gramm is tbh. You think one of them is scum?

Also agree with your read on Ill. But you've read her town before her posts regarding Ral's lynch being led by Boobs. So idk if there's any progression there with your reads.
 
I like it. I read Magic the same way for example. I was also told that's not how you read him, but still. Unsure what your takeaway with the Aurelian vs Gramm is tbh. You think one of them is scum?

Also agree with your read on Ill. But you've read her town before her posts regarding Ral's lynch being led by Boobs. So idk if there's any progression there with your reads.
Neat.
Regarding Gramm and Aurelian, I am on a standstill and have to mull on it for a while. Thing is that I kinda checked out of the thread when they were arguing because it felt like a time sink, and it bored me tbh. I do think theres a possibility that 1 of them is scum.

Yeah I gave her a town lean for her read on Gramm iirc. Then it developed to a stronger read by reading more tbh, so thats the progression tbh
 
@Ultra also your scum read on me is lol. You know that I as scum am ruthless when it comes to thread play with my teammates tbh and if I want to save 'em, I create something else, like how I decided to spearhead super town read Delta for the lulz in our semi. You're just being a tsundere because I didnt sheep your Saber scum read and trying to snap me for contradictions, when being contradictive is townie tbh

I mean...nah

I'll provide some further consideration here as to why I think you have great scum equity here.

First and foremost, pains me to say that Saber is scum and has obviously given up here. I say it pains me because it's a rather boring conclusion, but there really is no good explanation for his rather depressive behavior from multiple angles as an innocent town person.

So given this, when I'm solving for what I believe to be the 3rd person involved my assumption is that they are playing around a game state in which both their team mates are being hard pushed with little alternative. This is a game state that a competent scum player would probably respond to by possible trying to put forth alternatives but ultimately requires some degree of bussing

Given Ral's flip, I can likely assume his team mates have utilities that likely make them more worth being kept around (if I'm understanding the role correctly, it really doesn't make much sense). So I think a 3rd mate would most likely opt to bus him and try to shield saber. This is exactly what you did lol.

Finally as far as being ruthless with team mates goes, don't think you are actually, and your treatment of them is likely dependent on several factors. Frankly I think you're too nice to want to hellbus two noobish team members who are feeling nervous right away and would likely do what you can to support them until you no longer could.

So yeah my 3rd slot solve is between you and if I had to take a different guess, the alternative explanation is that 3rd mate is a total sack of potatoes and totally or mostly absent like Nibel.

Of course this house of cards all relies in Saber being scum but once again, I have 0 explanation for anything they have down from a town PoV. "They got overwhelmed by being accused and gave up, as town" is pretty far out seeing his disposition last game.
 
Vote Lynch Grammaton Can you talk to me about your Saber vote and why you didn't vote Ral or Lethic

Should also point out that you did take a swing for Gram yesterday, so you can't really use "I would have tried to open up more options" as scum in your defense because afaik that's what you did!

You can further say here "well I would have done more" but the more clauses you place in this defense, the weaker it's going to be
 
Should also point out that you did take a swing for Gram yesterday, so you can't really use "I would have tried to open up more options" as scum in your defense because afaik that's what you did!

You can further say here "well I would have done more" but the more clauses you place in this defense, the weaker it's going to be
No, I think it is fair to say that I fit in the bill of "trying to nudge and see if other people will follow elsewhere" if I was scum, even though I don't fence-sit with my approaches as a wolf (and here's a clause, but it was said in the last game when I defended my approach on Hime and it is as true here tbh). Either way, it is a fair perspective, although an incorrect one.

Like, you can say that my added clauses weaken my defence, but I have stood by the same ones since the start and I have explained my position on Saber (and Ral). If I opt to bus Ral, I do that without sweat. Like, you point out in this quoted post that I try to swing for Gram instead, but in the longer post you talk about how I opt to bus Ral. And those two things cant really co-exist. I had a scum read on Ral early, but I find it boring to just park there and chill through the whole game (or just follow the vote). It is more fun to look elsewhere too tbh!

I think Saber's silence is damning, but prior to that your reasons to scum read Saber did not sway me to change my read tbh.

Given Ral's flip, I can likely assume his team mates have utilities that likely make them more worth being kept around (if I'm understanding the role correctly, it really doesn't make much sense). So I think a 3rd mate would most likely opt to bus him and try to shield saber. This is exactly what you did lol.

Finally as far as being ruthless with team mates goes, don't think you are actually, and your treatment of them is likely dependent on several factors. Frankly I think you're too nice to want to hellbus two noobish team members who are feeling nervous right away and would likely do what you can to support them until you no longer could.
My wolf game is being severely underestimated here smh
Like... I dont care that it is clauses. This is just bad scum play. Painting myself into the corner by failing at distancing myself with both teammates is just something that doesnt happen. It is just like how Emil's scum case on me in last game due to how I pushed Hime was incorrect. Regardless whether you think I am ruthless or not, I am not incompetent. Tbh I would look wolfier if Ral flipped town, because the one thing I have been prior to this night is passive and passively give out reads. Passiveness = fine with whats going on.
 
Why did you feel the need to say you're not sure about Gram right as we are discussing him? You're literally copying his case on Aurelian? Should go without saying that he is townie to you, no?
I think you guys got it wrong. I feel Aurelian might be scum and that Gramm and him are not aligned.
 
I think you guys got it wrong. I feel Aurelian might be scum and that Gramm and him are not aligned.

Well no, you said at first you weren't sure about Gram, that's my point

You also just happened to rock up with this informed take minutes after the day had ended. Seems unlikely to be a coincidence, and more likely that you had caught up and decided to not actually check in or post before the day ended.
 
No, I think it is fair to say that I fit in the bill of "trying to nudge and see if other people will follow elsewhere" if I was scum, even though I don't fence-sit with my approaches as a wolf (and here's a clause, but it was said in the last game when I defended my approach on Hime and it is as true here tbh). Either way, it is a fair perspective, although an incorrect one.

Like, you can say that my added clauses weaken my defence, but I have stood by the same ones since the start and I have explained my position on Saber (and Ral). If I opt to bus Ral, I do that without sweat. Like, you point out in this quoted post that I try to swing for Gram instead, but in the longer post you talk about how I opt to bus Ral. And those two things cant really co-exist. I had a scum read on Ral early, but I find it boring to just park there and chill through the whole game (or just follow the vote). It is more fun to look elsewhere too tbh!

I think Saber's silence is damning, but prior to that your reasons to scum read Saber did not sway me to change my read tbh.


My wolf game is being severely underestimated here smh
Like... I dont care that it is clauses. This is just bad scum play. Painting myself into the corner by failing at distancing myself with both teammates is just something that doesnt happen. It is just like how Emil's scum case on me in last game due to how I pushed Hime was incorrect. Regardless whether you think I am ruthless or not, I am not incompetent. Tbh I would look wolfier if Ral flipped town, because the one thing I have been prior to this night is passive and passively give out reads. Passiveness = fine with whats going on.

The bolded is only true if you isolate time as a factor, you can very well do both over the course of a day.

I wouldn't say you failed to distance either, I'm reading into your behavior a layer beneath what is being presented and see that you did identify Ral as scummy (in a somewhat roundabout way, by alleging both him and me were playing differently) before arriving at your eventual vote and cementing your position. But you interacted with him and said the correct things, not taking that away from you.

But when it comes to Saber, you provided him with support while he was being pressured and still have a hard time letting go your town read. Your capacity to distance here is not limited by your capability to but being able to do so while still having a shot at reaching your wincon. Someone has to be carried to the finish line and it makes more sense to take Saber over Ral.
 
Ral is faster to make game related posts, or getting to make reads at least, compared to last game. Not sure if I should be mean and FOS that tbh

This is such a mood whiplash tbh
Both from you and Ultra

I was sorta vibing with the anger here until the last part.

Why the sudden attack on Magic? Like, it feels weirdly uncharitable. Are you not allowed to have reads if you have less than 10 posts? It also sounds like you have beef with Magic but afaik there has been none in this game between you two tbh

Why the sudden magic attack tbh

The thing is however, distancing is a two way street, and with Ral you're working with some pretty rough clay.

I just checked Ral's posts and he didn't respond or mention you a single time. This is despite him reacting and addressing almost every other person who suspected or mentioned him - Gad, Me, Emil, Gram, Magic. Only other exception is Tempest, kinda, but also he hung back quite a lot yesterday.
 
It's very simple, and I'll state the obvious here: I'm trying to be productive in this game because my last game and games before that were a complete and utter shitshow of a performance on my end. You deserved a better response, and I gave you just that, so what more do you want? As for challenging you, although I could have separated my posts, I still want to know why you chose to lynch @Emil right off the bat. You were literally the first person to cast a vote in this game, so why can't I get a clearer answer from you about your vote when you expect me to go above and beyond to explain myself and the some? @Emil was the first player here to vote to lynch @Saber, so why are you also tunneling me specifically? Lots of unanswered questions here, so you are not particularly clear of suspicion either my friend.

I have every right to come off as defensive based on what I explained above, and you casting a vote for @Emil doesn't make you sus either? Tell me how you don't come off as sus just based on how hard you are tunneling me here or are you just grasping at straws this early in the game?


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Gaddammit... :tchpepe

Then if you don't care to tell me, why are you still deflecting my question about Emil? Can't extend the same courtesy or are we not on the same playing field? If anything, YOU'RE the one giving off scum vibes here and imho, others should see this too if they are following along with something you started and basing your suspicion on me switching it up a bit and giving you the same respect

Didn’t realize that being more serious about playing Mafia automatically makes me scum. If that’s how it’s being interpreted, then I’ll keep my focus on you and question if you might be scum instead. Also, experience isn’t always a reliable indicator of alignment cause I've lurked plenty of games here which I did not participate here where players did the exact same thing and ended up being the opposite of what people thought. So, try again.

:chill

If you want better responses from me, you're gonna have to take a seat, and be patient like everyone is doing until your number is called!

So impatient, children :pepesip

Why didn't you clap back at @Ultra when he voted to lynch you initially? Y'all both looking hella sus here with this tag-team play :catplacent

Don't fall for this shit, @Gadlock Holmes, vote @Ultra and then we can worry about @Emil later.

They planned this from the very start and now I got what I needed to put the final nail in the coffin on my decision on who to vote for and you should do the same.

Unvote Saber

Vote Ultra


Sticking to my gap instead of my gut this time :catgun

It probably came off as shocking to him, initially, cause it shocked the hell out of me too.

Now I think he's using this sudden change to his advantage cause it sounds like a typical scum play here tbh and an easy one at that.

Scenario that occurs almost every game: Target the weakest player, get everyone to gang up on them, wagon, flip town, AHHH SHIT, my bad bro, thought you were scum, scum slithers into the background to pounce on the next weakling, rinse, repeat, GG.


VVVVV

The level of respect for me reads a completely different type of energy when I switch shit up for once... so damned if I do, damned if I don't... :tchpepe


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What's your honest read on @Ultra so far? Don't hold back, Kekko-san, even though the day is still young :blobpolice


I do tend to clapback fairly quickly regardless of if I'm playing as scum or town, that I'll admit... force of habit from living in the Bronx for most of my life :pepesure:

Last scum game I played isn’t even relevant to this game, especially when you straight up push me to play more seriously and then turn it around on me for doing just what you indirectly asked me to? I’m going to stop you right there, bud, because it’s obvious you’re the one not being reasonable here. I react defensively regardless of alignment; I am simply a defensive person by nature, so don’t fault me for that just yet. If you want me to continue playing seriously, at least give me the same level of respect you’d expect to receive, if that’s even how you operate in Mafia, ranked or otherwise.


Peeps here are quick to pull receipts and strike me as being utterly confused with my change in playstyle but you couldn't take the time to read what I quoted in my post?? Please stop wasting my time and energy, Ekko, respectfully lol


Read the post, TO IT'S ENTIRITY, even the replies I quoted, that should help clear things up unless somehow you need me to screenshot and explain further?

If we gonna cap his ass like you initially wanted us to, how do you expect us to do that if you, someone who is fond of bringing the receipts, are still confused to why my shift in playstyle isn't shocking to you? Regardless of if I'm playing town or scum, I don't really change my playstyle unless it's something that more than one person addresses upfront, like that one time I was using AI to organize my posts, and it was something I just started doing because it helped me organize my posts, so they don't seem as random or erratic. Again, damned if I do, damned if I don't, so what more do y'all want from me? lol


If this was meant as another joke, I'm not really laughing.


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And that's a legit reason to lynch @Saber?

Nah, I’m still here G lol just observing to keep up with the game and not get lost like I did in previous games.


:bobcaveman:

M8, you have no room to talk lol you legit have less than 10 posts in this game so far and are already out here giving town reads. It should be no different than when I was asked to provide my read list, albeit a short one at that, because a certain SOMEBODY wanted me to respond quickly, thinking I was frozen in time and shit:hestonpls

And here I am being called "manipulative" when my lack of understanding was more apparent, given the circumstances at the time :mjpls

Not gonna throw in everything here but he has extensive responses to most of the people who mentioned him negatively, so it doesn't bode well that he no-sold you. Ral is noob scum and was very transparent with his intentions and discomfort in being suspected.

Now the best counter argument you can make is that he did make sure to respond to Saber...but that's really an argument in favor of Saber than it is an argument in favor of you.
 
End of Night 1
End of Night 1

Illwei has been killed...
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MIKE MCLINKTOCK
Mike, you fucking jagoff!
You are Mike McLintock. ....Yikes.

Undressing you with my eyes — Your only power is growing your gay little mustache. And vote.

Win condition: You win when all threats to Selina Meyers' campaign have been eliminated.

It is now Day 2. With 12 alive, it is 7 for majority. You have 24 hours.
 
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