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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

Yhwach beats him too if he’s got Almighty.

Garou too unless Kakine doesn’t something like create an Accelerator copy with his Dark Matter
Garou is stuck in monster form so i feel like Kakine dunks him out of existence. I dont think people like debating cosmic fear much
 
Nope.

The one time he restrained someone with his powers, Accelerator simply used tentacles made of air to pin Esther to a wall, restrain her arms/legs and choke her.

Straight up "freezing" someone's movement isn't something he can do. An ability like that would have come in handy in his toughest fights.
Oh great, more people not understanding how Accelerator's powers work, in the year 2024..
 

Again, thread seriously proves that virtually everyone in it is fucking stupid and never played the game including the ones who consistently pull "conveniences" over and over again.

Not in the Nasuverse, no.

The only genuinely correct thing Siriel states.... even that's iffy in and of itself(The context is that someone stated that a Star is obviously > Planet even in the Nasuverse) because we have no clue if Stars are included in being able to have a Soul and thus can have lifeforms and a TYPE amongst other things. It's also iffy because it's stated that the Gods/Goddesses that are connected to things like Stars are well above other types of Divine Spirits in the series so again, it's "correct" but it's very iffy and can easily be thrown out.

The bands of light are not a singular Noble Phantasm, they're a source of energy that he gathered from elsewhere that he can employ for his Noble Phantasms.

To use a similar case Amakusa's pseudo-black hole Noble Phantasm requires him to tap into a leyline or a Holy Grail, and neither of those things are part of his saint graph.

I'll ignore the part for Amakusa and go to the latter because like Amakusa's Big Crunch IS a part of his Saint Graph(A Holy Grail and Leylines not being part of it doesn't mean he can't use it at all, that's really fucking stupid), Goetia's Bands of Light ARE unironically connected to him through the Chaldea Database amongst other things. It's why despite Tiamat actually being STRONGER than Goetia, she's weaker than him due to not having the limiters she has and having the entire billions of AAS's to use for his grand plan.

It is on both sides, but unless you were doubting the claim that Goetia has that attack at all, you need to argue for why it wouldn't work. Which you've done, so fair enough.

I mean why would Goetia use ALL of his Bands of Light on U-Olga? He never did it in canon because he needed them for his plan overall and he's never done it canonically to anyone.

When is it stated that Olga having a stellar saint graph is superior to what she had before? As far as I'm aware the only statements regarding that saint graph class are 1) She has one, but nobody reacts with surprise. and 2) Stellar is above meteorite, when ORT obtains one.

...This is what I mean by Siriel purposefully acting stupid. It's extremely obvious to anyone not lying their asses off or mentally unhinged that there is an obvious difference between 2nd Class Planetary and Stellar Saint Graph right in it's freaking name. And Lostbelt ORT explicitly has only has that when it was in it's unawakened state(aka sleeping) so the fuck is Siriel on?!

And even then, no shit people wasn't surprised, U-Olga was holding back hard as fuck and it became obvious when she literally started fighting Chaldea that despite holding back then, what her full power was.

The energy absorption is blocking though, and Sion directly states that the requirement for destroying her (matching planetary-scale action) assumed she could do something like that.

Uh, unless I was blind as shit and I wasn't taking the picture when it came up:
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That NEVER comes up. Sion explicitly states that you need something matching or exceeding the output of your average star/planet. There is nothing about U-Olga having reflective/absorption properties... is Siriel confusing U-Olga for Sefar?

I'm waiting for LB7 to come out so I can't comment on Kukulkan since I haven't read it, but if you want to go by comparisons then Surtr's noble phantasm is compared by Kirschtaria to the incineration of humanity if it hadn't struck the past. Which would make it.. 1/94,670,856,000th of the energy of the bands of light, given that Goetia claims to have gathered energy every second over 3000 years.

I had to go back and look up a source(most likely, I just skipped it because it was irrelevant) but okay, it's true... but why the fuck is Siriel:

A) Why is he using the number of SECONDS as for how much ENERGY the Bands of Light must have?!

B) We already know how much energy a single Band of Light has if it's compared to a single Star and we already know how much energy is within the Incineration of Humanity plan because we knew about it in LB5.1:
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("But Xhominid! LB7 stated they aren't real Gala-" Shut the fuck up! It is literally stated the sentence after that it didn't fucking matter because it's ultimately the same thing regardless, a complete distinction without a difference)
Wow, Loptr Laejrn is the equivalent of a SINGLE STAR unless Surtr basically did the equivalent to Goetia and went back to the past and destroyed everything there... yeah, great way of completely ignoring the absurd magnitude of how strong Loptr is to instead go on a retarded tirade because again "We can't "wank" the Nasuverse here..."

As for Anima Animusphere, I'm not actually sure how strong it would have been at that point. Recall that Kirschtaria's magic circle of stars, which is what gave him his godlike magical energy, was broken by Rhongomyniad prior to her arrival. And we know that that Rhongomyniad which was about evenly matched with his shield until Beryl backstabbed him, and that Chaldea judged that Rhongomyniad could hurt the Alien God fine.

:giogio
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How strong is Artemis' Arrows again?

Is this really that fucking hard? But oh wait, we also can't make Rhongomyniad be stronger than it... despite the fact that we literally see and are told that Rhongomyniad is stronger than it...

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Oh wait...

Then there's the fact that the logic used by Sion is that you need something on the scale of a planet to hurt someone who generates that kind of power, and Goetia's gathered energy is greater than the energy of the planet.

And that's before U-Olga had her entirety be fully scaled and that kinda falters really fucking badly nor again would Goetia waste his entire fucking plan to kill someone, let alone would U-Olga allow him to do so.

Goetia directly states that the spiritrons gathered from humanity are far greater than the spiritrons that would be released from the planet itself.

This shouldn't be shocking in terms of comparison, since Kiara's completion as a Beast would have come from reaching the planet's inner core and turning it into her body.

How does this fucker breathe with the level of lying he does?! Goetia stating it was easier getting the energy from Humans vs. The Planet =/= that the Planet has LESS ENERGY THAN HUMANITY! What Goetia literally mean is the exact level of energy needed to crack open the Planet to get energy that way is not worth it compared to harvesting Humanity for easier gains.
It is outright stated in Hollow Atraxia that The Earth has enough energy to EASILY last Millions of years(Which makes how bad the Harways fucked up in EXTRA even more insane) before it even hit a Notes situation. You have Servants and otherwise guzzle so much energy from the Planet in FGO alone, the Planet should be LONG dead if we are going by Siriel's insane take but that prospect has never popped up ONCE.

The fact people buy that garbage because again, people show this much illiteracy in reading is something massively special.
 
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Depends, Reinhard is continental (being able to destroy and recreate the world with the Dragon Sword Reid and scaling to Satella who destroys the world Everytime Subaru dies)

So Fiamma would need to be in his LSPAD form to compete with that.

Reinhard's DPs could also cancel out Holy Rights moves, for example Reinhard has a dp that makes all attacks miss him.
 
Depends, Reinhard is continental (being able to destroy and recreate the world with the Dragon Sword Reid and scaling to Satella who destroys the world Everytime Subaru dies)

So Fiamma would need to be in his LSPAD form to compete with that.

Reinhard's DPs could also cancel out Holy Rights moves, for example Reinhard has a dp that makes all attacks miss him.
The Holy Right doesn't use raw power to attack though, and via scaling to spells like Astro in Hand (given Archangels are stated to have many spells on that level) base Fiamma should be far stronger even then.

And are you referring to this?

"
First attack immunity: The first time an attack is performed at Reinhardt, it always misses.

Preceeding attack immunity: The second attack and all following attacks misses him."

I feel like this is kind of getting into NLF territory (like a certain Medaka Box character who also has a bunch of skills) given the Holy Right isn't even a projectile: it's an instant attack that ignores speed to hit the opponent... well, instantly.

There's not really a way for it to "miss" unless the mechanics of this blessing are elaborated on.
 
wait a minute don't reply here

this may be better to continue in an actual thread :tupac
 
@King you were warned about baiting and shit and even got a section ban for it. You dont get anymore warnings

@Astaro this is your only warning, dont feed trolls, report him next time otherwise your going too
 

Again, thread seriously proves that virtually everyone in it is fucking stupid and never played the game including the ones who consistently pull "conveniences" over and over again.



The only genuinely correct thing Siriel states.... even that's iffy in and of itself(The context is that someone stated that a Star is obviously > Planet even in the Nasuverse) because we have no clue if Stars are included in being able to have a Soul and thus can have lifeforms and a TYPE amongst other things. It's also iffy because it's stated that the Gods/Goddesses that are connected to things like Stars are well above other types of Divine Spirits in the series so again, it's "correct" but it's very iffy and can easily be thrown out.



I'll ignore the part for Amakusa and go to the latter because like Amakusa's Big Crunch IS a part of his Saint Graph(A Holy Grail and Leylines not being part of it doesn't mean he can't use it at all, that's really fucking stupid), Goetia's Bands of Light ARE unironically connected to him through the Chaldea Database amongst other things. It's why despite Tiamat actually being STRONGER than Goetia, she's weaker than him due to not having the limiters she has and having the entire billions of AAS's to use for his grand plan.



I mean why would Goetia use ALL of his Bands of Light on U-Olga? He never did it in canon because he needed them for his plan overall and he's never done it canonically to anyone.



...This is what I mean by Siriel purposefully acting stupid. It's extremely obvious to anyone not lying their asses off or mentally unhinged that there is an obvious difference between 2nd Class Planetary and Stellar Saint Graph right in it's freaking name. And Lostbelt ORT explicitly has only has that when it was in it's unawakened state(aka sleeping) so the fuck is Siriel on?!

And even then, no shit people wasn't surprised, U-Olga was holding back hard as fuck and it became obvious when she literally started fighting Chaldea that despite holding back then, what her full power was.



Uh, unless I was blind as shit and I wasn't taking the picture when it came up:
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That NEVER comes up. Sion explicitly states that you need something matching or exceeding the output of your average star/planet. There is nothing about U-Olga having reflective/absorption properties... is Siriel confusing U-Olga for Sefar?



I had to go back and look up a source(most likely, I just skipped it because it was irrelevant) but okay, it's true... but why the fuck is Siriel:

A) Why is he using the number of SECONDS as for how much ENERGY the Bands of Light must have?!

B) We already know how much energy a single Band of Light has if it's compared to a single Star and we already know how much energy is within the Incineration of Humanity plan because we knew about it in LB5.1:
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zlZa5LQ.jpg

("But Xhominid! LB7 stated they aren't real Gala-" Shut the fuck up! It is literally stated the sentence after that it didn't fucking matter because it's ultimately the same thing regardless, a complete distinction without a difference)
Wow, Loptr Laejrn is the equivalent of a SINGLE STAR unless Surtr basically did the equivalent to Goetia and went back to the past and destroyed everything there... yeah, great way of completely ignoring the absurd magnitude of how strong Loptr is to instead go on a retarded tirade because again "We can't "wank" the Nasuverse here..."



:giogio
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How strong is Artemis' Arrows again?

Is this really that fucking hard? But oh wait, we also can't make Rhongomyniad be stronger than it... despite the fact that we literally see and are told that Rhongomyniad is stronger than it...

kKGeVlq.jpg


Oh wait...



And that's before U-Olga had her entirety be fully scaled and that kinda falters really fucking badly nor again would Goetia waste his entire fucking plan to kill someone, let alone would U-Olga allow him to do so.



How does this fucker breathe with the level of lying he does?! Goetia stating it was easier getting the energy from Humans vs. The Planet =/= that the Planet has LESS ENERGY THAN HUMANITY! What Goetia literally mean is the exact level of energy needed to crack open the Planet to get energy that way is not worth it compared to harvesting Humanity for easier gains.
It is outright stated in Hollow Atraxia that The Earth has enough energy to EASILY last Millions of years(Which makes how bad the Harways fucked up in EXTRA even more insane) before it even hit a Notes situation. You have Servants and otherwise guzzle so much energy from the Planet in FGO alone, the Planet should be LONG dead if we are going by Siriel's insane take but that prospect has never popped up ONCE.

The fact people buy that garbage because again, people show this much illiteracy in reading is something massively special.

SB ranks Goetia above Olga and ORT due to the Siriel's peddling. All really funny stuff.

Funniest thing is he thinks it's possible to obtain Earth's energy in the Inner Sea by torching/destroying the physical Earth despite the fact the energy drawn by Excalibur/Rayproof is explicitly stated to be located in Imaginary Space. By that logic Goetia would be burning his own Reality Marble too because it's also located in INS. The Inner Sea remained untouched by the Incineration to the degree even Merlin was unaffected despite playing a big part in human history.

There is also no evidence of any continuity between different layers/space-times, so burning one isn't going to burn the other. Different layers have different coordinates that are explicitly stated to not match reality, like in Case Files it's shown there is a big hollow area in Albion's tomb taking several hours to fall through even before reaching the fairy realm.
 
SB ranks Goetia above Olga and ORT due to the Siriel's peddling. All really funny stuff.

Funniest thing is he thinks it's possible to obtain Earth's energy in the Inner Sea by torching/destroying the physical Earth despite the fact the energy drawn by Excalibur/Rayproof is explicitly stated to be located in Imaginary Space. By that logic Goetia would be burning his own Reality Marble too because it's also located in INS. The Inner Sea remained untouched by the Incineration to the degree even Merlin was unaffected despite playing a big part in human history.

There is also no evidence of any continuity between different layers/space-times, so burning one isn't going to burn the other. Different layers have different coordinates that are explicitly stated to not match reality, like in Case Files it's shown there is a big hollow area in Albion's tomb taking several hours to fall through even before reaching the fairy realm.

For the latter, it's the same thing even in LB6 and Merlin has to explicitly use a Magecraft that allows you to basically skip huge chunks of travel time to get to Avalon/The Inner Sea far faster and like you stated, that's only one part of the Inner Sea of the Planet itself.

It's also funny because the only being that would have been able to kill Merlin... was Tiamat and that's if she was able to destroy Mesopotamia since "All of Humanity" would be dead then(Which also makes sense as she's also a being of the Inner Sea and would know where to get to Merlin after that). But yes, they somehow took the fact that Goetia finding burning down the Planet to be a "waste of resources" compared to easily getting what he needs from Humans as "Humans have far more energy combined than the Planet" which is absolutely demented.

And yes, people take Siriel's words seriously even when he's blatantly proven wrong and a liar when it came to shit like Chaos(Where he tried to state that Holmes meant that Goetia's Human Incineration Plan would have killed Chaos... they just had no way to channel that level of energy... when it was explicitly stated that even if they could get that level of energy, it wouldn't work) and you can't even use the utterly retarded "official localization is wrong as the Japanese Subs say-" because it's the same there too.
 
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