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okay so, i think kighter is arguing from a flawed premise, we're taking the teacher guy literally when he states infinite-infiniteness or whatever the statement was, when i dont think hes a qualified enough source (like in the movie i remember that guy being a massive weirdo, that classic michael bay character excellence), also i think thats just taking his words too literally

what hes taking from that statement i assume is infinite infinities (which would be multiversal)

that being said this argument got way too mad way too quickly, the all caps was unnecessary cmon man
 
grillmaster said:
okay so, i think kighter is arguing from a flawed premise, we're taking the teacher guy literally when he states infinite-infiniteness or whatever the statement was, when i dont think hes a qualified enough source (like in the movie i remember that guy being a massive weirdo, that classic michael bay character excellence), also i think thats just taking his words too literally

what hes taking from that statement i assume is infinite infinities (which would be multiversal)

that being said this argument got way too mad way too quickly, the all caps was unnecessary cmon man
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wait how "infinite-infinites" are multiversal?

btw who made better arguments, me or knighter (this argument was full of mock yaps)
 
grillmaster said:
okay so, i think kighter is arguing from a flawed premise, we're taking the teacher guy literally when he states infinite-infiniteness or whatever the statement was, when i dont think hes a qualified enough source (like in the movie i remember that guy being a massive weirdo, that classic michael bay character excellence), also i think thats just taking his words too literally

what hes taking from that statement i assume is infinite infinities (which would be multiversal)

that being said this argument got way too mad way too quickly, the all caps was unnecessary cmon man
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, and it infuriates me that he's deliberately pointing out that Bayformer was killed by a human weapon, which clearly ignores the rest of Bayformer's derivative material, and that Skybound TFs are actually much more fragile, I actually like Bayformer a lot.
 
Optimus Prime 654 said:
yo can i ask a question...
is the Japanese matrix 1-B due to it being above Unicron?
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Not really an expert on Japanese continuities, I have read most of the manga I could find translations of but haven’t found the time to see the anime

Going off what I know about the singularity’s lore in general, it pretty much just depends on what that version of the character did and how they were beaten. Like I wouldn’t say 86 Unicron, even taking it as a Singularity instance (already controversial but I stand by it as mentioned before) would give anyone crazy multiversal scaling because he’s just…clearly planet level in the US and Japanese versions of the movie.

Also I haven’t gone back through Gen Selects and don’t recall the exact circumstances of how Unicron got beaten there aside from Ruination being involves among other things. The Matrix itself seems to function really weirdly wrt pure power and how much any given user can get out of it
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Not really an expert on Japanese continuities, I have read most of the manga I could find translations of but haven’t found the time to see the anime

Going off what I know about the singularity’s lore in general, it pretty much just depends on what that version of the character did and how they were beaten. Like I wouldn’t say 86 Unicron, even taking it as a Singularity instance (already controversial but I stand by it as mentioned before) would give anyone crazy multiversal scaling because he’s just…clearly planet level in the US and Japanese versions of the movie.

Also I haven’t gone back through Gen Selects and don’t recall the exact circumstances of how Unicron got beaten there aside from Ruination being involves among other things. The Matrix itself seems to function really weirdly wrt pure power and how much any given user can get out of it
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alr thx
 
Kighter said:
I'm not trying to be argumentative, and it infuriates me that he's deliberately pointing out that Bayformer was killed by a human weapon, which clearly ignores the rest of Bayformer's derivative material, and that Skybound TFs are actually much more fragile, I actually like Bayformer a lot.
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oh fair fair

bayformers do die to human weapons but its not handheld stuff is the thing
like obv blackout utterly stomped the military base, was sending out shockwaves obliterating huge ass jets and swathes of land

scorponok was damaged by that gunship but not killed, megs survived multiple airstrikes only to be killed when sam put the cube directly into the chest wound and burned out his spark

skybound is actually kind of weird about that stuff honestly, cause on one hand optimus was damaged by that RPG (granted it was pretty minimal and the real damage was skywarp firing point blank into the wound) but on the other we know the seekers are significantly faster than any known jet (this is directly stated when they sink the aircraft carrier) and energon seems to be a huge deal powerwise (literally what the shared universe is named after its such a game changer)
they all also survived sinking to the bottom of the ocean as well which is a solid dura feat

im not sure we know enough for certain to determine how strong everyone is, it seems like a pretty grounded verse though
 
OtherGalaxy said:
Not really an expert on Japanese continuities, I have read most of the manga I could find translations of but haven’t found the time to see the anime

Going off what I know about the singularity’s lore in general, it pretty much just depends on what that version of the character did and how they were beaten. Like I wouldn’t say 86 Unicron, even taking it as a Singularity instance (already controversial but I stand by it as mentioned before) would give anyone crazy multiversal scaling because he’s just…clearly planet level in the US and Japanese versions of the movie.

Also I haven’t gone back through Gen Selects and don’t recall the exact circumstances of how Unicron got beaten there aside from Ruination being involves among other things. The Matrix itself seems to function really weirdly wrt pure power and how much any given user can get out of it
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thing is in the legends comic issue EX grand maximus what tells that the Oracle created the Matrix to destroy Unicron. iirc Cloud stories do say JG1 Unicron exists "across dimensions"
 

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grillmaster said:
oh fair fair

bayformers do die to human weapons but its not handheld stuff is the thing
like obv blackout utterly stomped the military base, was sending out shockwaves obliterating huge ass jets and swathes of land

scorponok was damaged by that gunship but not killed, megs survived multiple airstrikes only to be killed when sam put the cube directly into the chest wound and burned out his spark

skybound is actually kind of weird about that stuff honestly, cause on one hand optimus was damaged by that RPG (granted it was pretty minimal and the real damage was skywarp firing point blank into the wound) but on the other we know the seekers are significantly faster than any known jet (this is directly stated when they sink the aircraft carrier) and energon seems to be a huge deal powerwise (literally what the shared universe is named after its such a game changer)
they all also survived sinking to the bottom of the ocean as well which is a solid dura feat

im not sure we know enough for certain to determine how strong everyone is, it seems like a pretty grounded verse though
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Bayverse has the high hear sabot round excuse in the first movie where it's stated that the Transformers metal reacts to high heat and then the army switches to that.
 
ok so my knowledge is rough, what i know unicron returns multiple times in japanese continuity

most interesting is
unicron in 2011, optimus returns and defeats him with the silver matrix (which i believe to be the zodiac)

the same unicron returning a decade later in the timeline in unite warriors, thats where unicrons collapsing the multiverse feat comes from, which is kind of insane, as assuming he didnt somehow get infinitely stronger after being banished by optimus and primus, this means that JG1 unicron is a multiverse level threat, the silver matrix/zodiac scaled above his form there, so star convoy is multiversal :skully
 
grillmaster said:
ok so my knowledge is rough, what i know unicron returns multiple times in japanese continuity

most interesting is
unicron in 2011, optimus returns and defeats him with the silver matrix (which i believe to be the zodiac)

the same unicron returning a decade later in the timeline in unite warriors, thats where unicrons collapsing the multiverse feat comes from, which is kind of insane, as assuming he didnt somehow get infinitely stronger after being banished by optimus and primus, this means that JG1 unicron is a multiverse level threat, the silver matrix/zodiac scaled above his form there, so star convoy is multiversal :skully
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or higher by that matter
 
grillmaster said:
oh fair fair

bayformers do die to human weapons but its not handheld stuff is the thing
like obv blackout utterly stomped the military base, was sending out shockwaves obliterating huge ass jets and swathes of land

scorponok was damaged by that gunship but not killed, megs survived multiple airstrikes only to be killed when sam put the cube directly into the chest wound and burned out his spark

skybound is actually kind of weird about that stuff honestly, cause on one hand optimus was damaged by that RPG (granted it was pretty minimal and the real damage was skywarp firing point blank into the wound) but on the other we know the seekers are significantly faster than any known jet (this is directly stated when they sink the aircraft carrier) and energon seems to be a huge deal powerwise (literally what the shared universe is named after its such a game changer)
they all also survived sinking to the bottom of the ocean as well which is a solid dura feat

im not sure we know enough for certain to determine how strong everyone is, it seems like a pretty grounded verse though
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I know, but the RPG-7 is certainly no match for the M1A2's 120mm sabot shells, which also didn't do much damage to Decetipcon's cannon fodder.IMG_20241126_155051.jpegIMG_20241126_155104.jpgIMG_20241126_155110.jpgIMG_20241126_155120.jpgIMG_20241126_155128.jpg
 
I think it's an artistic expression, obviously, after the smoke clears, their bodies are basically intact except for the flecks.If normal shells were used instead of 6000 degrees sabot, they would certainly not be able to do this.
 
grillmaster said:
ok so my knowledge is rough, what i know unicron returns multiple times in japanese continuity

most interesting is
unicron in 2011, optimus returns and defeats him with the silver matrix (which i believe to be the zodiac)

the same unicron returning a decade later in the timeline in unite warriors, thats where unicrons collapsing the multiverse feat comes from, which is kind of insane, as assuming he didnt somehow get infinitely stronger after being banished by optimus and primus, this means that JG1 unicron is a multiverse level threat, the silver matrix/zodiac scaled above his form there, so star convoy is multiversal :skully
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Even if we do not accept this, the silver matrix is superior to all other stellar forces, due to which they once made the multiverse one single universe, and when the Star Convoy with the golden force was able to break through the coating of the golden Megatron
 
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