Game Official Ranked Xmas Mafia 2024 - Where Worlds Collide

[Flower]

@Lethal have you caught up?

 

[.guillo]

Why are you avoiding the point about RDK's role

You keep talking in circles and deflecting to play instead which feels convenient. Address the elephant in the room.

I dont have enough experience in this site to judge by role theories. I rely on behavior and wagonomics analysis and i will stick to those, they have worked for me for 21 years now. Thank you

 

[.guillo]

I did go back to look to make sure I wasn’t crazy. They were voters #5 & #7 respectively from what I can gather

Early day 1, when Watson was not even in the talks, when it was PQwerty the hot topic and Melkor was being thrown around as an alternative.

 

[Flower]

Fuji giving me the cute kitty eyes already.

SAY IT AINT SO

She literally tagged me to answer you back rather than just wait till I was on break/had time to post.

SOUNDS LIKE OBSESSED

Why would I give thoughts on your thoughts?

Ok Doc whatever you say.

I mean she’ll probably answer that anyway

Flower/Doc probably town then.

I never scum read Flower lol

It sure got you acting all towny.

This plus all the talk about Gram coming to your house in real life actually got me scares i might die for real.

I mean theirs a difference between acting townie and asking valid town questions in an effort too read someone.

CP acting all GOTCHA SPARKLES in the background is lowkey funny considering the game Flower cited.

Like he knows my d1 town game puhlease

Melkor I voted Flower for reactions.

I mean tbf, she was engaging with other players about my vote.

All Pqwerty seems to be doing is getting out the wine and cheese and violently tossing it at Magic.

Magic probably not Survivor this game

Yea same but idk, i can’t read Magic despite years of trying

Kinda feel like a scum Ratchy would just go with the status quo then express doubt. Feels genuine

Idk it’s how he presented his questioning, and like him shooting what i was doing out of the sky so quickly and asking about it felt towny, like theirs ways too make me look bad if he was scum and blowing up my play and presenting it but just calling it weird cause i wasn’t around does feel like it tbh.

She’s actively in the middle of everything and offering hot takes. Seemed a little paranoid/interested about why I was townreading her, so feels blue so far.

Knew I was about to head out, saw magic pressure him, thought hey what the heck, don’t have any reason not too vote there so I did.

I have since read Lapp’s analysis of his play, can see how that makes sense, so i’ll unvote. I look scummy under pressure myself, throws me off my game and get absorbed with defending and tend too look worse from it, so using myself as an example I can see how his e felt off, cause looking back, he was getting quite absorbed into it and looking bad, not even coming with his own reads from the wagon on himself and totally forgetting too gauge for scum.

Melkor seems like town getting bullied tbh.

He wasn’t the only one sussing me yesterday, i can’t read Melkor so I just ignored it, sussing me felt fine on surface level.

Idk maybe it doesn’t, the guy is an enigma to me, hos thought process isn’t very linear like ever, not hard to just think he scum teads people, votes one of them and then just disregards progression. I don’t think he puts much thought about how he’s voting and if it makes sense to vote that person.

Like i guess i can see him sussing someone and voting elsewhere/soneone he’s also sussing.

I was getting town read at the time, so even if he does think of vote progression than voting a player he susses getting town read probably isn’t the best vote on D1.

Keep in mind i have no fucking clue what happened in the last 40 pages

I’m not claiming without knowing wtf i’d be claiming for.

You all suck at reading me.

Magic tried that too, yet he’s clean from it huh? WACK

Lethal seems town btw, don’t see him being this abrasive as scum

That alco post about me being self conscious is pinging me.

Okay, I don’t get much out of Sparks‘ ISO except that she‘s not scum with Prif, Fuji, Magic, Lethal, Ratchet and Alco.

So if she‘s scum I‘m comfortable locking Ratchet as Town/non Mafia (don’t see him being Indie tho, so likely just Town in that case.) The way she approached him and called him Ratchy reminds me of how she buddied him in the Boys. Not how she treats team mates.

 

[Ultra]

I dont have enough experience in this site to judge by role theories. I rely on behavior and wagonomics analysis and i will stick to those, they have worked for me for 21 years now. Thank you

Yeah that's my point. You're opting to remain willfully ignorant, and aren't even challenging the information outright. But you just moved your vote right after this was pointed out to you despite dismissing it as worthless.

 

[.guillo]

You know, I did a quick ISO and I actually see several posts from you soft-defending Melkor in a row before you proceed to not have a single opinion on him for the rest of the day, aside from being pissed at people for getting on his wagon. If I'm scum, what does that make you?

I never soft defended Melkor. I just didnt have a read on him and Watson’s behavior was clearly anti-town, i could not fathom how or why 9 players were willing to pivot from that behavior into Melkor, when Watson was clearly acting anti-town very openly.

Why you never voted Melkor even though you scum read him?

 

[Ultra]

Early day 1, when Watson was not even in the talks, when it was PQwerty the hot topic and Melkor was being thrown around as an alternative.

They weren't the first voters there lmao

 

[.guillo]

Yeah that's my point. You're opting to remain willfully ignorant, and aren't even challenging the information outright. But you just moved your vote right after this was pointed out to you despite dismissing it as worthless.

I’m not gonna waste my time challenging information i have no experience with, what do you expect me to do? To tunnel?

 

[Lethal]

@Lethal have you caught up?

Christ no

 

[Flower]

Christ no

Do you have a reads list for me tho.

 

[Ultra]

I’m not gonna waste my time challenging information i have no experience with, what do you expect me to do? To tunnel?

You're also making this sound like role speculation or a play environment specific thing which is a whitewash - there is a flipped role with an explicit reference to Watson's role. You don't have to agree with the conclusion she's town, but you refusing to even acknowledge it and deferring to ""play"" is awfully convenient, and yes I expect you to address it instead of meekly backing down on her for as far as I can see no apparent reason

 

[Ultra]

I had a nice list of townreads that went to shit the moment you went off Watson's wagon to pivot into Melkor, I doubt the 9 of you are scum, but whoever is town amongst you, you broke my trust.

If you jumped off wagon because you got bored, then why the fuck didn't you just hammer Watson?
Leaving Watson alive whether she is mafia or a neutral, will only benefit mafia, scum will never kill that slot now if she is not scum, they know she is our problem to solve now and they will try to keep her alive as much as they can, and if we let them, they will take her to a mylo/lylo situation to win.

I just can't fanthom, why 9 people would do something as scummy in a "ranked" game for the memes, there has to be scum in there regardless of Melkor's alignment. If all 9 people that jumped off Watson to go to Melkor are town, i'm going to be disappointed.

Guillo why did you feel the need to clarify there were scum hopping to Melkor "regardless of his alignment", and then proceed to not look to any of the players who hopped on his wagon after the fact?

 

[.guillo]

Guillo why did you feel the need to clarify there were scum hopping to Melkor "regardless of his alignment", and then proceed to not look to any of the players who hopped on his wagon after the fact?

Because CFDs are usually never beneficial for town, and a whooping total of 9 players switched off one after the other from Watson to Melkor and most votes looked like sheeping rather than actual votes with conviction, i thought it was weird and dangerous.

 

[.guillo]

Day 1 Vote Count 4

Pqwerty 6 - Rugrat, Magic, Jigsaw, Sparkles, Alexis
Ekko 1 - Arne Slot
Melkor 3 - Ratchet, Alco, Tpein
Tweet 2 - Lappland, Ekko
Jigsaw 2 - Guillo, Tweet
Ultra 1 - Melkor
Watson 5 - Poyser, Ultra, Prof, Flower, X

With 30 alive, 16 to lynch. Youve got 40 hours.​

 

[Flower]

I'm here guys... didn't know the game started.

183 pages, sweet mother of pearl

Why do they "seem sus"? Is it a gut thing?

Who's Alexis?

And "Slot" new mafia terms?

It's between Watson and Melkor? Fuck, I don't know... I'm tired and don't have the motivation to read 180 pages, like day 1's usually just a bunch of banter.

Vote Watson

Let's kick this game into gear

@Dr. Watson you are alive, what is your direction?

What are you on about

Oh, lol, I heard it from a mate, it's directed at crackheads. Which means nasty. In other words... STINKY BAD LIST

I'm liking Guillo's post btw, agree with his take on Watson, and also in believing scum has an extra kill.

I'm a bit hung guys, gonna watch some Christmas movies on this rainy day, and come back. There's heaps of time so won't park my vote, seeing as how Watson was playing anti-town and lying down, we should put her out of her misery. Her claim makes me scratch my head but leaves me with intrigue. Possibly indie.

@Flower how long does the PR last and how many shots do you have? I don't hate the Ekko shot, as it was D1

Why do you say that? As I said it leaves me with intrigue, see how the direction goes mate

@Magic it's Christmas, and I expect a Merry Christmas from you. Dickhead.

3-shots in a 30 player game and you use it N1 for fun? Eh. He was pretty polarizing on D1

Are you joking here

I do recall one Xmas mafia having two small scum teams. Don't play mafia anymore so don't know Odo's ideas but don't wanna game spec. Something fishy is going on with the 3 kills though!

Oh okay, you scum read Ekko, sorry. Fan of Flower's usage?

Ekko/Lappland/Flower one of them is scum.

Ekko and Lapp bickering with one another yesterday. Lapp was scum reading Ekko heavy. I think Flower did as well, so gave him the PR as a "funny haha" but wanted to shut him up too maybe. Also, I am following Poyser's list.

Not a fan of Aurelian's list either so would like some more engagement out of him/her. Chuck can be watched as well.

Me thinks Watson is indy but would like some clarification now that it's Christmas time and her role has been "activated"

Also, Lappland are you Finnish?

Yes, giving me a scum read when I hadn't posted, and scum reading RDK for his indie claim, when he flipped town.



I think you mean gerrymandering, mate

To be honest, probably Flower. As stated, using a 3-shot PR on n1 and not knowing it's full use before then is either bad townie or a an articulate scum tactic.



If you think I'll be getting points for calling out your list then you are mistaken. I didn't see RDK's claim to be fair, so yeah it's awful in hindsight. If Ekko turns out to be scum, then I'll look back on this more favorably. You should apologize btw, I am town so throwing me as PoE is not cash money.

I'll be here when the game ends waiting for it :rippedcal

I don't know how Ekko plays, to be honest I haven't played with most of you so apologies for not knowing meta.

Is there not a rippedcal emoji ffs

Okay, this ISO is horrendous.

He started late and ended up voting for Watson. I think Watson is at worst non hostile Indie now given RDK‘s flip, so this looks more like a team mate of Melkor who came out of the woods to vote and save his mate. I also don’t like him saying stuff like one of Lappland/Ekko/myself is scum when that’s a good way for scum to set up chain mislynches. I also know for a fact that I‘m Town, Lappland is a Town lean and Ekko is at the Townier end of my PoE. So his direction is horrendous from my PoV.

 

[Ultra]

Going over Guillo's EoD posts I can honestly see him as scum being transparently frustrated at people not lynching Watson. Specifically in the way that he doesn't really acknowledge or talk about Melkor as a player, at all. Instead his main focus is insinuating that not going for Watson is throwing or against the spirit of Ranked games or whatever. Him giving those little caveats on Melkor like "this is scummy no matter what his alignment is" without actually trying to read him or frankly just assuming he's town feels very self aware

 

[Ultra]

Okay, this ISO is horrendous.

He started late and ended up voting for Watson. I think Watson is at worst non hostile Indie now given RDK‘s flip, so this looks more like a team mate of Melkor who came out of the woods to vote and save his mate. I also don’t like him saying stuff like one of Lappland/Ekko/myself is scum when that’s a good way for scum to set up chain mislynches. I also know for a fact that I‘m Town, Lappland is a Town lean and Ekko is at the Townier end of my PoE. So his direction is horrendous from my PoV.

Can you stop quoting a massive wall of posts from some random knobhead I don't care

 

[Ultra]

Spoiler that shit woman

 

[.guillo]

In fact if you go back to Votecount 2, you’ll see T-pein there

 

[Ultra]

Because CFDs are usually never beneficial for town, and a whooping total of 9 players switched off one after the other from Watson to Melkor and most votes looked like sheeping rather than actual votes with conviction, i thought it was weird and dangerous.

Yeah but your presumption at the time was that Watson was scum, you going out of your way to say this doesn't sit right. Especially because I feel like you're mostly playing positionally and not following up on your conclusions here. I would expect you to be trying to call out bussers if you sincerely believed this