Evangelist Haumea (Fire Force) vs Anime Ywhach (Bleach)

[xenos5]

I did a Haumea vs Kaguya thread a while back and iirc it was determined she stomps due to scaling to Benimaru one-shotting his doppelgänger.

I’m curious if this also hold true with Anime Ywhach given he should upscale from the Multi-Planet Shaking feat and has a lot more hax to deal with.

I’m also interested in seeing how people think Haumea’s Fate Manipulation would interact with Ywhach’s Almighty.

Restrictions: Speed Equal

Setting: Tournament of Power Arena

 

[xenos5]

@Xhominid The Apex

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I'm not even sure how Hanumea scales to that but I do know Anime Yhwach currently is Planetary+ so basically, his Almighty gives him the advantage and she loses.

 

[Blade]

w8 wat, base haumea doesnt scale to beni at all, lmao

she barely city levels, unless, this is the complete evangelist/despair fusion state (much stronger than the planet+ version of shinra who had his own kick moon feat [pre clownbanshoman form] which scales also to planet+ levels), yeehaw casually stomps

and let's say, its that version of haumea

psure, yeehaw's almighty still will give him the win (non wanked edition), after a good fight, especially since speed is equal

 

[xenos5]

w8 wat, base haumea doesnt scale to beni at all, lmao

she barely city levels, unless, this is the complete evangelist/despair fusion state (much stronger than the planet+ version of shinra who had his own kick moon feat [pre clownbanshoman form] which scales also to planet+ levels), yeehaw casually stomps

and let's say, its that version of haumea

psure, yeehaw's almighty still will give him the win (non wanked edition), after a good fight, especially since speed is equal

I'm not even sure how Hanumea scales to that but I do know Anime Yhwach currently is Planetary+ so basically, his Almighty gives him the advantage and she loses.

I meant EOS Evangelist Haumea yeah. She’s the one who could use Fate Manipulation so potent Shinra and Sho couldn’t hit her even when Sho stopped time.

I was curious how that Fate Manipulation would interact with Almighty. Since it basically erases any possibility of her being hit (even during a timestop where she wasn’t able to move at all) wouldn’t he just not have a future he could jump to where he could hit her since she’d have that ability in all timelines?

 

[xenos5]

Changed the thread title to avoid any further confusion.

 

[Eztephan]

I think Haumea win, even with the shaking of the 3 realms and Almighty.

Like to destroy the Evangelist is explicit that you need to affect the despair itself cuz that was his true form is. And the extend of his power was showed to been capable of warp the stars in the sky by alter the laws of the world when the cataclysm and Adolla was nearing into the world.


Or even affects abstracts and fundamental things like the constant of Pi, solving it even when Pi doesn't had an end or the rules and laws of the world in the previous and current one cataclysm and even during the cataclysm.

And i don't think Almighty can bypass Haumea fate manipulation, considering that she even claims that it set that fate of someone can't touch her into something similar that how despair was set in Fire Force world.


So i think Yhwach would need to affect that fate, and not only the probability of that to happen with almighty. And she can damage him, even damage and destroy his soul and returning him into oblivion.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I think Haumea win, even with the shaking of the 3 realms and Almighty.

Like to destroy the Evangelist is explicit that you need to affect the despair itself cuz that was his true form is. And the extend of his power was showed to been capable of warp the stars in the sky by alter the laws of the world when the cataclysm and Adolla was nearing into the world.


Or even affects abstracts and fundamental things like the constant of Pi, solving it even when Pi doesn't had an end or the rules and laws of the world in the previous and current one cataclysm and even during the cataclysm.

And i don't think Almighty can bypass Haumea fate manipulation, considering that she even claims that it set that fate of someone can't touch her into something similar that how despair was set in Fire Force world.


So i think Yhwach would need to affect that fate, and not only the probability of that to happen with almighty. And she can damage him, even damage and destroy his soul and returning him into oblivion.

To bring this up again, Hanumea nor Shinrabanshoman could affect Arthur while he was atleast a good distance away from Earth so alot of what we are seeing is only within spitting distance of Earth's Atmosphere, not in deep space.

 

[Eztephan]

To bring this up again, Hanumea nor Shinrabanshoman could affect Arthur while he was atleast a good distance away from Earth so alot of what we are seeing is only within spitting distance of Earth's Atmosphere, not in deep space.

Not, that was Shinigami sama, hell even Sho Adolla Link with the evangelist affect the universe heat expanion.


And during Arthur and Dragon fight you can even see how the cataclysm affect even things that was outside the planet, like the moon or Arthur ring turning it into the Star Ring, and several things like all the video game stuff around them.

And by that i'm not saying that makes him universal buster or something, but is clear how the range is not limited to only the planet.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Not, that was Shinigami sama, hell even Sho Adolla Link with the evangelist affect the universe heat expanion.


And during Arthur and Dragon fight you can even see how the cataclysm affect even things that was outside the planet, like the moon or Arthur ring turning it into the Star Ring, and several things like all the video game stuff around them.

And by that i'm not saying that makes him universal buster or something, but is clear how the range is not limited to only the planet.

You missed my point. I never said it was limited to the Planet but considering how close the Moon and Sun are and that's how Fire Force equally established them as such, the effects aren't in deep space either as as Arthur was within the same range as the Moon if not a bit further out and neither Shinrabanshoman, The Evangelist or Death was able to outwardly affect him.

Adolla itself has that range but none of them do.

 

[xenos5]

You missed my point. I never said it was limited to the Planet but considering how close the Moon and Sun are and that's how Fire Force equally established them as such, the effects aren't in deep space either as as Arthur was within the same range as the Moon if not a bit further out and neither Shinrabanshoman, The Evangelist or Death was able to outwardly affect him.

Adolla itself has that range but none of them do.

Iirc the moon was at the same distance as the IRL moon until Faerie dragged it down to Earth and Shinra kicked it into the Atmosphere. So it wasn’t that close from the start.

 

[Eztephan]

You missed my point. I never said it was limited to the Planet but considering how close the Moon and Sun are and that's how Fire Force equally established them as such, the effects aren't in deep space either as as Arthur was within the same range as the Moon if not a bit further out and neither Shinrabanshoman, The Evangelist or Death was able to outwardly affect him.

Not, Arthur when him return from the Sun was closer than the range of the moon to the earth when him fight dragon, that was prior Faerie drop it to the earth and Shinra stopping it and cause the moon to be more near to the planet.

Adolla itself has that range but none of them do.

The previous cataclysm caused by the evangelist create the first sun, and all the cataclysm stuff that happen in the final arc was the evangelist despair changing the world.

And also Shinra even change how the sun was when he alter time and warp reality several times until create Soul Eater world.

So yes, they indeed affect things outside a planetary range. The only one that was showed limited to the planet was Shinigami-sama, that was a things that was even showed in Soul Eater and how his and the old ones madness warping thing works.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Iirc the moon was at the same distance as the IRL moon until Faerie dragged it down to Earth and Shinra kicked it into the Atmosphere. So it wasn’t that close from the start.

Yeah but it's not back to where it was originally and it's exactly where Soul Eater's Moon is now.

Not, Arthur when him return from the Sun was closer than the range of the moon to the earth when him fight dragon, that was prior Faerie drop it to the earth and Shinra stopping it and cause the moon to be more near to the planet.

That still wouldn't be anywhere near where the actual stars are placed which is what I am primarily arguing against. Adolla's reach is potentially the entire universe but the actual effects are only localized around the Earth.

The previous cataclysm caused by the evangelist create the first sun, and all the cataclysm stuff that happen in the final arc was the evangelist despair changing the world.

And also Shinra even change how the sun was when he alter time and warp reality several times until create Soul Eater world.

So yes, they indeed affect things outside a planetary range. The only one that was showed limited to the planet was Shinigami-sama, that was a things that was even showed in Soul Eater and how his and the old ones madness warping thing works.

Again, the Sun in Soul Eater is far closer to the Earth than it is in Fire Force's time and it's the same with the Moon. Again Shinrabanshoman doing those things didn't change any of that. Shinrabanshoman's range absolutely is not outside of the Planetary range because Earth isn't even the biggest Rocky Planetoid known(There are plenty of well known Super Earth's out there), let alone Gas Giants which utterly dwarf even a Super Earth. We very much include those in the Planetary scale.

 

[xenos5]

Yeah but it's not back to where it was originally and it's exactly where Soul Eater's Moon is now.



That still wouldn't be anywhere near where the actual stars are placed which is what I am primarily arguing against. Adolla's reach is potentially the entire universe but the actual effects are only localized around the Earth.



Again, the Sun in Soul Eater is far closer to the Earth than it is in Fire Force's time and it's the same with the Moon. Again Shinrabanshoman doing those things didn't change any of that. Shinrabanshoman's range absolutely is not outside of the Planetary range because Earth isn't even the biggest Rocky Planetoid known(There are plenty of well known Super Earth's out there), let alone Gas Giants which utterly dwarf even a Super Earth. We very much include those in the Planetary scale.

Wouldn’t Faerie being able to drag it down from the place it previously was to begin with speak to his range as well as the range of characters above him?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Wouldn’t Faerie being able to drag it down from the place it previously was to begin with speak to his range as well as the range of characters above him?

No, you have to prove that those characters have the same range as Faerie and even then we already see that Death doesn't have Faerie's range either and Death came from Shinrabanshoman's power and literally took that power as well as everyone else's and STILL couldn't do the same with Arthur.

 

[xenos5]

No, you have to prove that those characters have the same range as Faerie and even then we already see that Death doesn't have Faerie's range either and Death came from Shinrabanshoman's power and literally took that power as well as everyone else's and STILL couldn't do the same with Arthur.

There is another example I could give with Charon’s final attack sending Dragon deep into space.



Showing some consistency of Higher Level White Clad (who would obviously not be comparable to Evangelist Haumea) having this range.

 

[Eztephan]

That still wouldn't be anywhere near where the actual stars are placed which is what I am primarily arguing against. Adolla's reach is potentially the entire universe but the actual effects are only localized around the Earth.

But the only ones showed limited to Planetary range and levels are Shinigami-sama and the old ones, Shinra and the Evangelist clearly affect things beyond the planet several times.

Cuz the only argument that i seen about that is the Arthur thing, that was only a limit of Shinigami-sama alone.

And also The Evangelist already was showed to affect the stars or even phenomenas like the heat expansion of the universe by some degree.

Again, the Sun in Soul Eater is far closer to the Earth than it is in Fire Force's time and it's the same with the Moon. Again Shinrabanshoman doing those things didn't change any of that. Shinrabanshoman's range absolutely is not outside of the Planetary range because Earth isn't even the biggest Rocky Planetoid known(There are plenty of well known Super Earth's out there), let alone Gas Giants which utterly dwarf even a Super Earth. We very much include those in the Planetary scale.

No, the sun was in his normal distant from the earth(that was showed when Arthur and Dragon fight in the moon and when the earth was turned in a second sun) when Shinra alter it, when he create the worlds of Souls. So show another argument outside of the Arthur thing of Shinigami sama, cuz at the nearing of the Cataclysm the Evangelist not only change the moon but also the stars in the sky.

And is not a visual effect of people on earth, cuz that how stars was before.


And this after Evangelist altering the physics of the world. Even in the space and outside of the planet they were showed affected by the despair.

 

[Paxton]

If Haumea/the Evangelist/Adolla (they are one and the same at this point) are outright changing the physical constants of the universe (making pi solvable, for one) it's pretty abundantly clear that the scope of their power isn't just planetary.

Death not having that sort of reach despite being stronger is just a weird inconsistency, I'd argue.

 

[King]

Pax troll

 

[xenos5]

If Haumea/the Evangelist/Adolla (they are one and the same at this point) are outright changing the physical constants of the universe (making pi solvable, for one) it's pretty abundantly clear that the scope of their power isn't just planetary.

Death not having that sort of reach despite being stronger is just a weird inconsistency, I'd argue.

So out of curiosity what do you think about the other part of this debate. How Haumea’s Fate Manip would interact with Ywhach’s Almighty?

As far as I understand Almighty, Ywhach is just picking a future that’s more to his advantage and materializing it. So with Haumea’s Fate Manipulation making it so there’s no possibility of her being hit, could she just counter Almighty entirely?