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that’s pretty well established in the stories, their role is as multiversal guardians of sorts. I don’t think that on its own is super useful for scaling exactly so much as what their function is (we see later in the stories that powering up from Sara is what they actually need to become bonafide cosmic forces for example)
 
OtherGalaxy said:
that’s pretty well established in the stories, their role is as multiversal guardians of sorts. I don’t think that on its own is super useful for scaling exactly so much as what their function is
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I mean, Optimus and Megatron were shaking the Cloud World (which again acts as a nexus that holds every reality) at the prolouge which anyone can sense their fight. Iirc in the comics, the decepticons did also took half of SARA's power and like before the final part, SARA was weakened and if SARA were to lose energy was a impact to the multiverse aswell.

Optimus was also involved at the Universe War since he also assisted the Alternity to fight Hytherion (though idk bout this, MAYBE this is not vague, gotta recheck Alternity GODDAMIT)
OtherGalaxy said:
(we see later in the stories that powering up from Sara is what they actually need to become bonafide cosmic forces for example)
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Yeah. Optimus gained the state of divine transcendence after he combined two Matrix of Leaderships and SARA's power (honestly, this is an interesting feat) and Megatron was destroying the multiverse. Idk about Rodimus and Roadbuster since Rodimus can equip the power of SARA aswell which was stated in his issue of the E-Hobby Cloud comics (though rechecking would need a full confirmation since I don't think he was utilizing it's full power) and Roadbuster fighting Unicron and Alternity Screamer (which in Starscream's case, this is matter of fact a continuity error since Roadbuster and the Wreckers weren't fighting him directly since Screamer was alr dead, but time dosen't function linearly in the multiverse, idk about Unicron since no one in Cloud World knows him, I think Roadbuster and the Wreckers ecountered him somewhere???)

Even without Dimension Mode amp, I think Cloud is packing very insane shit.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
universal streams are very different from clusters and it's never said to consume all of reality. It eats the origins of specific universes (and seems particularly drawn to damaged ones), but in terms of measurable feats the most we saw it do was shake a bunch of universes with its roars right before it/Megatron died. Although the Megatron/Hytherion hybrid seems stronger than the standard Hytherion, as the Alternity had tech to kill those but ultimately weren't able to beat Megatherion.

An annoying thing is to my knowledge what a universal stream is isn't ever clearly defined, but it seems to be interchangeable with universe. The Clusters are the collections of all related universes. Not necessarily just branches, but I mean you know how Clusters work. G1 timelines are Primax and so forth. I haven't found many examples of characters threatening specific clusters often, other than Vector stating he's stopped them from being destroyed before. Given the ridiculous amount of branch universes that universal streams have though, being a threat to an entire cluster would be pretty significant.

Where is this said? I don't really directly remember them being equated.

He does talk about Alternity here and there but we don't really hear from the Alternity or Planicrons directly as far as I'm aware (or at least I can't remember any examples)

Another thing about the Logos situation though: Cliffjumper was not driven insane by it lol
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On Mega Therion itself, the Alternity themselves also didn't really run, only due to the magic of Planicron against which they had no defense, they lost, and considering that they already knew about their future death, it probably speaks a little in their favor, considering also that True Alternity could blow up and destroy one Hytherion with one blow, we can talk about a pretty decent level of their capabilities, and even their Auto-avatar can fight and almost defeat Hytherion, which far exceeds the level of the continents and moons that we gave them before.
 
Here's something I did recently which I hope is a help
archive.org

Transformers G1 Character Encyclopedia : Takarajimasha : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Full scans of the official Transformers G1 Character Encyclopedia, done by me. This book serves as a guide for the Japanese G1 Transformers saga from the first...
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I bought a copy of the Japanese Transformers G1 Character Encyclopedia, which is a book released in Japan in 2004 which basically covers all of the JG1 saga from 1985 up to G2, and has profiles on every notable character across every series, even the later ones like Battlestars and Operation Combination. I scanned the book and uploaded it to archive.org to make it fully accessible, I hope that's a useful resource for people. The scans are still pretty shoddy but at least have high resolution and are fully readable.

I had a quick look through it just machine translating things, a lot of the profiles are fairly standard but there's some interesting things, it re-affirms that the demon generals from Zone are capable of destroying planets, Computron is stated to have the computational capacity of 200 supercomputers, and it states Star Convoy is 45 meters tall and 2000 tons which are the same values the Battlestars story pages give him. Cyclonus's profile also directly says he was rebuilt from Bombshell but has a bit of ambiguity and acknowledges it could also be Skywarp, very controversial lol. The art and character models in general are also just really nice to have. It's pretty big of course so I definitely didn't have time to machine translate every single page.

I'm hoping the rest of the Legends manga gets translated soon, that's really the one roadblock left before you can do full proper Japanese G1 analyses. TFWiki has very detailed summaries of every chapter but it would obviously be better to have full translations of each. Once Legends is done, everything else that isn't properly translated is small enough it could be easily done manually, and all the major material would have high quality translations.
 
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drossdropell said:
Here's something I did recently which I hope is a help
archive.org

Transformers G1 Character Encyclopedia : Takarajimasha : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Full scans of the official Transformers G1 Character Encyclopedia, done by me. This book serves as a guide for the Japanese G1 Transformers saga from the first...
archive.org
I bought a copy of the Japanese Transformers G1 Character Encyclopedia, which is a book released in Japan in 2004 which basically covers all of the JG1 saga from 1985 up to G2, and has profiles on every notable character across every series, even the later ones like Battlestars and Operation Combination. I scanned the book and uploaded it to archive.org to make it fully accessible, I hope that's a useful resource for people. The scans are still pretty shoddy but at least have high resolution and are fully readable.

I had a quick look through it just machine translating things, a lot of the profiles are fairly standard but there's some interesting things, it re-affirms that the demon generals from Zone are capable of destroying planets, Computron is stated to have the computational capacity of 200 supercomputers, and it states Star Convoy is 45 meters tall and 2000 tons which are the same values the Battlestars story pages give him. Cyclonus's profile also directly says he was rebuilt from Bombshell but has a bit of ambiguity and acknowledges it could also be Skywarp, very controversial lol. The art and character models in general are also just really nice to have. It's pretty big of course so I definitely didn't have time to machine translate every single page.

I'm hoping the rest of the Legends manga gets translated soon, that's really the one roadblock left before you can do full proper Japanese G1 analyses. TFWiki has very detailed summaries of every chapter but it would obviously be better to have full translations of each. Once Legends is done, everything else that isn't properly translated is small enough it could be easily done manually, and all the major material would have high quality translations.
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bro thank you so much. But is there a translation to this?
 
drossdropell said:
I'm hoping the rest of the Legends manga gets translated soon, that's really the one roadblock left before you can do full proper Japanese G1 analyses. TFWiki has very detailed summaries of every chapter but it would obviously be better to have full translations of each. Once Legends is done, everything else that isn't properly translated is small enough it could be easily done manually, and all the major material would have high quality translations.
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There is one website where they released the manga translations from issue 1 till 37. I'm just waiting for the other translations of the other issues. Sadly, I can't go through them rn since I'm not usually online nowadays cuz of smth irl.
 
@OtherGalaxy @Thirteen prime @grillmaster seems like Prima's Matrix IS the Origin Matrix since it does resemble the artifact itself. Though one thing weird I find is that Mark called it either "Creation Matrix" or "Matrix Of Leadership" which idk why he called it the Creation Matrix since like that was smth one of the Galvatron toys retconned the Creation and Of Leadership Matrix into one distinct, seperate artifact (with the Creation Matrix being the Green Matrix). I think they called it "Creation Matrix" is because of Marvel G1???? or rather they called it The Matrix of Leadership mainly because of Aligned synergy since it does also have the Star Saber as it's hilt???
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