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Ultra said:
@Lappland if Reloaded is scum why did he just back down from voting you with like 8 hours left lmao
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I have seen scum self vote in f3 before after both villagers vote each other while votes were locked. Things can happen. Situation is still that we are waiting for Melkors info or what it was exactly.

I want you to explain why Reloaded did not check Melkor tonight or why he thought 1 shot tracker was an outing claim by Yoho
 
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The options today are Reloaded or Stargate, Ali checked Stargate with his cop and got no result. I assume godfather should normally check as town, so Ali is claiming he was roleblocked.

Reloaded claims rbed and Melkor would have had shot into a bp twice in a row, but Sigismund said no shot went off? I am sure Melkor knows holstering is bad here though
 
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Lappland said:
No, not really. I have hinted since before you even subbed in that I have a self confirming role here. If I was Mason without knowing alignment, the claim would have been in thread already either by me or Atsumori. We are aware that we are both town, you are just pushing the status quo as some sort of reasoning for that not being true. That is a faulty process because in the context of the game me and Atsumori have clearly played around each other being aware that we are both town. You are not considering that either because you a) confbias me as wolf hard rn b) are a wolf

I would like you to actually evaluate me and Atsumori's posts were we talk about each other and consider that we both got explicitly told that we are town. It should be obvious that it is true.

Appealing to some historical precedent does not matter, that was then. This is now
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You hinted you have a self confirming role doesn't mean anything if the role is not in fact self confirming?

Like what is this lol. If you're mafia and you believe you can swing it that way why wouldn't you make a show of presenting it as such, it's a matter of your perception of what you think people will buy, which makes sense if you're not really accustomed to the claim not being an instant clear

I did observe that you had cleared him for no reason and that he hesitated to vote you and made the connection, but it's not enough for me to reconcile you as town, if I have to place 3 scum and exclude you two that strains my belief just a bit lol. Especially because we have an alignment cop, unless he's fake, which I'm kinda doubting atm.
 
Lappland said:
The options today are Reloaded or Stargate, Ali checked Stargate with his cop and got no result. I assume godfather should normally check as town, so Ali is claiming he was roleblocked.

Reloaded claims rbed and Melkor would have had shot into a bp twice in a row, but Sigismund said no shot went off? I am sure Melkor knows holstering is bad here though
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Why should anyone listen to you

You completely sidestepped the Yoho wagon and called him town before reluctantly voting him
 
Lappland said:
I want you to explain why Reloaded did not check Melkor tonight
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I've literally already explained this lmao

Because they didn't shoot him N1 like I thought they would and because the watcher was outed I assumed Melkor would be too obvious of a kill, so I opted to watch Ratchet as the next likely kill. Didn't work out in the end because I got blocked eitherway.
 
Ultra said:
You hinted you have a self confirming role doesn't mean anything if the role is not in fact self confirming?

Like what is this lol. If you're mafia and you believe you can swing it that way why wouldn't you make a show of presenting it as such, it's a matter of your perception of what you think people will buy, which makes sense if you're not really accustomed to the claim not being an instant clear

I did observe that you had cleared him for no reason and that he hesitated to vote you and made the connection, but it's not enough for me to reconcile you as town, if I have to place 3 scum and exclude you two that strains my belief just a bit lol. Especially because we have an alignment cop, unless he's fake, which I'm kinda doubting atm.
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It is self confirming the moment me or Atsumori die.


In that hypothetical world I tied myself to a scum mate here because Atsuomori claims to know my alignment. A villager who does not know my alignment would not confirm that for me. So what am I going for a 2 for 1 trade? That is a bit silly especially because I am not gonna go over here no matter what you say. The most likely world is that I am mason that knows the alignment of their mason and I claimed as such expecting it to be treated as true.
 
Lappland said:
alright given that we have 20 hours left


I will flesh out actual thoughts later, my current take is that I am gonna do what nutmeg does and chill because she asked me to join in the first place


I think if people are convinced on Yoho rn its fine, Fleur seems vaguely in her village meta but I am sure I will figure that out for real because Fleur is bound to flip out and bring the wolf chat energy into the game

Luka looked vaguely bad to me
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Crazy I made no statement on Yoho except saying the wagon is fine for me lol
 
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Lappland said:
The options today are Reloaded or Stargate, Ali checked Stargate with his cop and got no result. I assume godfather should normally check as town, so Ali is claiming he was roleblocked.

Reloaded claims rbed and Melkor would have had shot into a bp twice in a row, but Sigismund said no shot went off? I am sure Melkor knows holstering is bad here though
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Star already claimed to block Ali are you reading lol
 
And yes I am aware of the mason cop situation, but I am not gonna lynch into the cop right now especially because Ali claimed cop without being asked for it and it seemed genuine to me
 
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Lappland said:
Gad/Stargate/goddessblade

what do you think about them
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Gad I thought had some good posts on Cata, would lean them slightly town

Star uh well kinda dogshit, but I believe Reloaded so with them claiming a block that still leaves one unaccounted for, kinda assuming they're town if Relo is unless they have a motivate

Goddess nullish, doc claim is pretty decent though so I wouldn't lynch before Mass claim

Burp
 
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