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Lappland said:
Right here that is the difference.

If you suspect me? I have to be with Atsumori and Atsumori is not doing anything. If Atsumori dies and flips scum, I am outed. If Atsumori dies and flips town, I am clear.

I am one of the few people here even making reads and pushing into directions. Essentially you take a clear Atsumori over a clear villager that actually does something.

I think that is a bad rationale, if you want to do the most effective play. So go ahead and claim please because that sort of behavior is scum motivated, just like you misrepresenting my day 1 and you misunderstanding the mech of Reloaded.

Me and Ratchet both noted that you are off right now, so it is not like I am the only one who thinks you are approaching this game from a weird pov.
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Part of why I suspect you is you keep putting up these strawman arguments and defeating them, you did this when you said you were an IC and now you're doing it to suggest I'm giving your slots disparate treatment. Logically voting between you two produces the same result, this argument makes no sense that I should go Atsu over you

As for Ratchet, I don't think he really cemented a read on me, whatever his evaluation is worth?
 
Ultra said:
Part of why I suspect you is you keep putting up these strawman arguments and defeating them, you did this when you said you were an IC and now you're doing it to suggest I'm giving your slots disparate treatment. Logically voting between you two produces the same result, this argument makes no sense that I should go Atsu over you

As for Ratchet, I don't think he really cemented a read on me, whatever his evaluation is worth?
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It does not produce the same result, I showcased how it is not the case.

You noted yourself that I am the only one who is really playing the game. So why do you want me dead first? It is that easy, shouldn't you consider both angles here and realise that taking the potential villager that is actually playing makes more sense? I think you should know better and I do think you do know better. You are just being obtuse about it now
 
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Lappland said:
So from your pov, do you want an IC atsumori if you want to resolve the masons?

Or do you want the villager that is actually trying to solve? Because in both cases for your worldview it would be correct to lynch Atsumori first, we are vouching for each others alignment because we randed as masons that are alignment aware. Atsumori is slanking and being afk, do you want that as your cleared villager slot? That seems a bit odd to me
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I guess

Don't really expect either of you to go over today mind you so
 
Ratchet said:
No, and you know better than this Ultra - claiming blocked means he has no need to worry about being right. If he says he watched me and I had no visitors, and then the doctor turns around and says "but I protected Ratchet", he is caught in a lie. If he claims he's blocked, though, he can never be truly caught in a lie outright, and a mechanical catch more or less requires a mass claim. Which we've almost had.
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This certainly reads like the start of a push to me
 
On the subject of "why are you lynching me when I'm doing things" though, you seem to have no issue threatening to lynch me when this game thread was just about dead before I started posting

In spite of the fact that you seem to think Reloaded is mechanically "outted" too, goes to show how convinced you are in that crap
 
Nutmeg said:
Indeed. Sort of polarizes SGs slot further, like I guessed, too. Makes the claim sorta insane, too. Feel good about that.

Follower got no result so far? or smth. Or just didnt activate? If still has activations left, seems like something that could force a 50/50 later.

kiku must either be blocked, strongman past, or lying. We have a LOT of people who are in similar situations i feel? Like the vigi, SG/Ali anything else?

village has +3 kills in a 18er, meaning wolves most likely have some sorta KP role still out there most likely. Are there more exotic forms of KP on this site? Arso, stalker, bombsmith, etc.

As you say, thats a lot of clearance tho between invest claimants and the already flipped KP, are games on this site usually more mech puzzles than ww? Because we're at "mech puzzle" level of mechanical claims atm.

In any case, we're missing 2 claims by the sounds of it? On a level, I guess, it makes sense to waiting claiming 1 more day if you believe that is +ev (due to the apparent existence of disrp roles + w/ the claims in play wolves probably have some hammers to counteract our nails, as it were)

mm can someone give me lke a full, straight forward explination as to what rolecrushing is in this context? I understood it as temp vanilla, but like idk if that lines up lol

sigi CCing the tracker claimant d1 is presumably clearing? unless that sort of thing happens on this site, anyone wanna jump in on that.

ye if this was a game i was balancing, due to the role madness nature, the wolves would have to be JUICED, that or theres like a pretty glaring fakeclaim(s) that would lower the power of the setup quite a lot.

smth along those lines
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Well duelist was the extra kp for the SK, already went off on a villager so the SK had effectively 1.2kp per phase

Follower is 1shot and was targetted by rolecrusher, the interaction should be that they are vanillized. I can't imagine what rolecrush means beyond that


I would imagine they might have an execute or the likes. Something to strongarm a kill like that. Execute being that they can execute a wagon that is half to maj. Maybe a seconary vig type of role

I am not sure about that anymore, I think we can realiably fish out which roles are fake by now. One of the investigates should not be real here already.

I assume it is clearing? This is the first time I see a day tracker that can track dead people though

I agree, the fakeclaims probably make it seem weaker. Rolecrusher is a scummy claim, but I do not think Cata is playing that claim like a scum, but an overeager villager.
 
Kinda confused what makes Cata's claim functionally distinguishable from Roleblock. Usually rolecrush lasts a certain amount of time, a cycle at least. The only thing I can think is that he would undercut someone's passive while someone else shoots/investigates him

Might have to take a look at some of his latest games see if he's any different
 
Ultra said:
On the subject of "why are you lynching me when I'm doing things" though, you seem to have no issue threatening to lynch me when this game thread was just about dead before I started posting

In spite of the fact that you seem to think Reloaded is mechanically "outted" too, goes to show how convinced you are in that crap
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These things are not equivalent. I called out that you are pushing for me in a way scum would, my argument is that you as villager, wouldn't be this headless and quite frankly stupid. Or are you that headless and stupid? Like I can gladly adjust my view on you to brazen idiot, if you want to.


My argument for reloaded also extends way beyond any mech situation, notably that I pushed Reloaded before there even was any mech day 2. Once again showing that you are not actually reading posts, just like earlier when you tried to argue that I defended Yoho day 1. I also wanted to note that you never seem to engage on my viewpoints regarding Pqwerty at all.
 
Lappland said:
These things are not equivalent. I called out that you are pushing for me in a way scum would, my argument is that you as villager, wouldn't be this headless and quite frankly stupid. Or are you that headless and stupid? Like I can gladly adjust my view on you to brazen idiot, if you want to.

My argument for reloaded also extends way beyond any mech situation, notably that I pushed Reloaded before there even was any mech day 2. Once again showing that you are not actually reading posts, just like earlier when you tried to argue that I defended Yoho day 1. I also wanted to note that you never seem to engage on my viewpoints regarding Pqwerty at all.
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No I read your push of Reloaded Day 2, just felt it was bereft of positive evidence. I actually feel that it's more justifiable to push him today
 
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