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Is that any better than Deadpool doing so? Twice? I told you, dudes love wanking the shit out of Lanza because by proxy, they can pretend Ulquirroa was truly just that strong... when in truth, he always lagged behind Harribel from the beginning because Aizen knew about his 2nd Ressurcion the whole time.

https://www.fanverse.org/threads/is-lanza-the-most-overrated-attack-in-bleach.1321021/ @Adamant soul YES, YES THE FUCK IT IS, HOLY FUCK! Like it's one of the biggest attacks done in Bleach but goddamn, is it overrated as fuck, especially when Harribel, Starrk and Aizen did attacks that respectively match it or shit on it wholesale, let alone characters just being that much more powerful than Ulquirroa that it lost all meaning. The only reason to even keep sucking it off is believing that everyone is weaker than Ulquirroa even after the Post-Timeskip and the Final Arc itself.

...Siegfried has Balmung which has Anti-Dragon properties, yes but Siegfried himself is not Anti-Dragon, his punches does not have Anti-Dragon properties, that's what Salfarc was arguing about. How am I being hypocritical "right from the text" when that's precisely how that's described? A Skill he has to activate like every other Skill in the franchise outside of the rare ones that are automatically activated... Also, that's an FGO Skill which is most likely does not actually exist for Siegfried because in Apocrypha, he doesn't have that as a Skill: Fate/Apocrypha material - STATUS: Saber of Black, p.018-019 So it's not something he has outside of FGO. Weapon strong enough to fell Dragons, has Anti-Dragon Properties... but it's not the same as being a Dragon Slayer? Shiny, what the fuck are you talking about? You know damn well that doesn't matter for Fate whatsoever. Also if you use that logic, then Sieg should have killed Mordred in their confrontation regardless of how...

Gotta give it to Endgame Plutonian.

Need not worry, someone else is joining Astaro in the Ignore section till I feel otherwise... King Of Time will most likely join in a bit.

...Siegfried himself is not an Anti-Dragon being, only Balmung has it... You seriously need to stop insulting me when you are being no different than SB right now. I'm using "mental gymnastics"(aka bringing in passages from Fate/Zero and Apocrypha) to take away the fact that the materials isn't correct in stating that Artoria would lose to Siegfried because of "Anti-Dragon" effectiveness? Did you forget not even those who gain the Evil Dragon Phenomenon and become Fafnir are never bodied by a single TNR Balmung attack? Not even Sieg? Until it's contradicted... which it was multiple times. ...That's literally an SB-tier argument, holy fuck. Death of The Author is not an SB-tier tactic(Hell, they explicitly do the opposite), we explicitly use Death of The Author to a point because by your own logic, Melusine-Albion can only move slightly faster than Mach 2. It's insane you keep calling me hypocrite and "being like SB" every time I disagree with you, especially when you said...

1. Me and Cross just pointed out how that doesn't work using Fate/Zero as an example while Artoria was virtually defenseless and me using Apocrypha in that if we are going with what you say is true, Mordred should have died even to Sieg's halfassed Balmung, not have survived and still able to move and fight. 2. Lancelot's Arodnight explicitly has Anti-Dragon Properties: He possesses the famed sword Arondight that brings down even dragons, but there are also cases where he took elm branch or snatched away his enemy's sword and used it as his own weapon. Fate/Grand Order material IV said: Lancelot is capable of keeping up with a 3x boosted Gawain and still keep up with Barghest at the height of her power in LB6, I do not understand at all how Lancelot being a Berserker(which means getting an amp to his stats) then getting further amped by Arodnight which explicitly boost Lancelot's stats by one AND THEN whaling on her forever with Arodnight only just brought her to the brink of...

https://www.fanverse.org/threads/whats-the-most-wasted-death.1320752/ Neji died in extremely stupid circumstances that ultimately saved Hinata and Naruto in such a needless fashion, that it lead to one of the dumbest moments in the entire series where somehow the entire Alliance gave a shit about Neji and became a Bird to deal damage to the Jyubi. His death was absolutely pointless and only existed to, according to Kishimoto's words, "Get Naruto and Hinata together"... yeah, that's the end of Neji's character arc... to enable a fucking pairing. How the fuck is Dosu a better answer? The dude amounted to nothing and died exactly as he was: A schemer who believed he could hotbox with people way above his stature and fail miserably. That's literally the entire point of Dosu's character. ...Yes, that's the point of the Sound Village... That's why when Orochimaru was removed from the story, the Sound Village ceased to exist. What the fuck is with some of these answers?! Hayate...

She would have trouble with Siegfried, that doesn't mean it's an instant loss, I don't know how you reach that conclusion to believe so if Berserker Lancelot couldn't do so despite her being catatonic and out of it. Despite what it seems like Lancelot IS on Siegfried's level, especially as a Berserker and has an Anti-Dragon weapon.

She does but it's honestly overrated. Berserker Lancelot did nearly kill her with Arodnight... but she was catatonic, broken over how bad Lancelot came out and barely defended herself and it took ALOT for Lancelot to get her there too. So it's not wrong as Mordred stated she would have died if she took Sieg's Balmung head on in Apocrypha(Though in the LN, she DID take it headon due to how Balmung's blast is done there but it was because it was half-assed she lived), the problem is if Siegfried can really get that far in the first place as Artoria has the better Dragon Core between them(Albion vs. Fafnir) and the better sword and her swordsmanship is just as ridiculous.

...How does Charlemagne get "wacked" by Siegfried?! Traum, if anything, blew the hell out of Charlemagne and by proxy Charles The Great's asses in stating if they was legit at full power there, EVERYONE WOULD BE FUCKED. They are legit an Artoria level opponent and would only lose due to the circumstances of their summoning and Artoria just being ridiculous at full power. Not even Siegfried would be able to handle her and considering the circumstances of Extella Link, not even Karna could. If Charlemagne is at the level he should be, Siegfried would get murdered, end of story. EDIT: Let me clarify myself better so someone doesn't lose the plot and thinking I'm just throwing shit out there: Traum has stated on multiple points that if Charlemagne/Charles The Great was genuinely there, he would roll over both the Revenge and Reinstatement Realms no problem, this is despite that the Righteous Realm has only 5000 Servants max with only a few quality Heroic Spirits in it in comparison...

Salf, you are literally no different whatsoever by that logic...

Yes, both of you are passive aggressive fools whenever you get proven wrong and act like everyone else is being angry when it's very clearly obvious you are when you get proven wrong or someone tells you to hush it down. God, I'm becoming more like Type-Rey and I honestly don't really like it.

My dude, you keep doing that all the time and you do not listen to me when I tell you to do so. I am now making it clear do not ask me about these things, I saw the topic and didn't bother commenting on it meaning it doesn't have my interest whatsoever. It's better than me ignoring it entirely like I do most of the time right?

I'm not stressed you dumbass, I just want you to stop asking me for my opinion on really dumb topics. You are as bad as Paxton when you go into that passive aggressive nonsense.

Sigh It's hard to say since each of the Apostles(Outside of Holmes as we don't know what Divinities he has) as well as the Servants' abilities can counter the others: Moriarty has his bullshit King Crimson-esque abilities which basically makes it impossible to hurt him since he can manipulate/change his fate but Muramasa can fuck that up entirely with his Demonic Swords or NP and killing Holmes can basically screw it up but otherwise, his overall power isn't noteworthy and nothing shows he can forcefully control other Apostles. Muramasa would be one of the clear heavyweights due to having Divinities that can allow him to do extra damage to Divine and Gods... which needless to say, all of the Apostles have and he's actually good with a blade... his major flaw is that for all of his abilities with a blade, they are not on par with a Sword Saint or Master and he can just be jumped. Ashiya Douman is the Dark Horse due to well... being the 2nd best Onmyo Practitioner known and has...

It's funny because they both want to pretend Prisma Illya is stronger than F/SN and HA Servants by proxy of having "better feats" but in the same breath act as if Prisma Illya's feats aren't that good when it takes no more than a genuine look to see how insane they are(primarily because no one wants to dare give Medea her kudos or state that Kuro/Chloe can body all of JJK on her own lol). They even pretend the Kaleidosticks don't operate the same way in HA as they do in Prisma Illya... when they explicitly DO(Rin literally becomes the Magical Girl equivalent to what she is in PI and wears the same clothing and how the Kaleidosticks operate is exactly the same). This is funnier when the Card System itself is just a shittier version of the Heroic Spirit Summoning System and in the final arc, Miyu does exactly that and all 7 Servants basically tear Darius apart with single use NPs when Illya, Chloe and otherwise could do nothing else. It's not even just that, the dude genuinely...

Honestly? Even if it did, it would end up like you see in certain places like SB and otherwise that will hyperinflate that shit even harder than ever before. Some dudes just don't want what they have and want to go further while otherwise downplaying what they see straight up.

Yes, it explicitly takes time and even when Yhwach was stopped, we get the damage from CFYOW and it's only a big ass hole in a city in Japan... and not even a truly massive one, it's like 1-3 City Blocks big. It doesn't help Yhwach didn't really do it under his own power either but more of the function of The Soul King keeping the Equilibrium of Souls in Balance and simply... stopped.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/harry-dresden-vs-bazett-fraga-mcremitz-fate.1165212/ I do like how Mook is trying to state that HA Bazett and Prisma Illya Bazett are 2 entirely different beings when that was never stated at all... Nothing shows whatsoever the latter is stronger than the former and you can't even try and go on the "better feats" category because HA Bazett was fighting genuine Servants vs. Servant Cards which are still very powerful but not in comparison to the real McCoy. So I don't see the point here as she would crush Dresden regardless of the "version".