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That was in the before time. As in, before anyone here, bar a select few, were old enough to give a shit about vs debating. :heston Or in a few cases, before some of us had graduated from being toddlers.:mjlol

Either SB or VSBW. The former for following nothing but flimsy headcanon or downplay land, and the latter for pushing things so far past the level they should actually be, in a lot of cases(wanking like mad) that it gets nauseating. :mjlol