you know, this is the reason i barely talk in vs debates mean, imagine trying to tell me how the obd works, a guy who has won the best obd member awards 5 times :hestonpls bruh @Xhominid the Fool and @NostalgiaFan were rather kind in this, cuz i was offline, once again at this point i am gonna bring back the obd vouching members choice, cuz i don't want olf obd to turn into sb and you like it or not, you have to wait until shang chi shows more feats in order to get the legit backup from that statement, cuz one movie and some lol statement ain't doing it legit so, as of now, he doesn't scale, even to pre-iw versions of thor and hulk and that's the bottom line