Bleach Mafia (Prod Test Game)

[Magic]

ppl think u cheat bc u guys always seem to know each others alignments and orca said he really liked the detached scum role and would help whoever it is win during atla while u were that role and also bc fuji claimed to u in a msg one game and then orca unvoted him, and maybe some other stuff i forget exactly

ofc if u disagree with this, we could always turn this into a mini forum trial and have both sides discuss the evidence and allegations
u and orca can lawyer up with @Magic to defend u
and u guys can get ur witnesses or whatever like whicker

since u both say poyser is the one cheating, he can be on the other side with his own witnesses/lawyer

judge can be @Ral

impartial (as possible) jury can vote whether they think u guys r guilty/not guilty after both cases r presented

the defendants have played too poorly in too many games, whether it be reads or role usage, where one is scum and the other is town for there to be info exchange occurring.

if it is blatantly clear they aren't exposing their own teammates when scum, and i believe it is, then that is one form of cheating and information sharing we already know that isn't happening.

therefore it is unreasonable to assume that the extent of their cheating is sharing one another's roles. why? because why do that. is it more likely they want to ruin the enjoyment of a game the love to sign up and play on multiple sites or that the fact that they're twins and thus likely just show each other favouritism. And if favouritism is against the rules then I believe we need to call out all clique or clique like behaviour, which has been present since day 1 on OLF!

poyser insists we tend not to let people living in the same house play together, but i must asl: since when? where in the rulebook of mafia has this ever been enforced or stated?! we've known they live together for nearly a year now and not one mention of this so called rule.

i present:

exhibit a: reaper/rosslyn. while short lived, there was ZERO objection to the husband and wife duo playing together in the same household, same kitchen, and even when sharing the same bed. No one thought they were cheating nor did they consider it a risk that they were cheating. While their stint on wrestlingforum.com was stint on personalitycafe.com was much longer. While many members of WF did not partake in perc mafia or didn't for very long, one that did was in fact POYSER himself. he has never had an issue with people playing in the same household.

exhibit b: evans and his fake brother. i wasnt actually around for this but the brother was fake and evans was cheating and got exposed and yet again not only did no one have issue with evans eventual return, but no one initially had issues with the fake brothers playing together in the same household. it was also clear they were cheating due to a discrepancy in performance.

instead i offer a counter proposal:

ultra is weak and orca/polar inhibit him and thus he cries. while fair or not, it is the truth. ultra's campaign has been a long one and over time he's gained support not through credibility, but because orca and polar can be frankly annoying. he denies polar's improvements and cooperation over time because he's salty.

 

[Ultra]

the defendants have played too poorly in too many games, whether it be reads or role usage, where one is scum and the other is town for there to be info exchange occurring.

if it is blatantly clear they aren't exposing their own teammates when scum, and i believe it is, then that is one form of cheating and information sharing we already know that isn't happening.

therefore it is unreasonable to assume that the extent of their cheating is sharing one another's roles. why? because why do that. is it more likely they want to ruin the enjoyment of a game the love to sign up and play on multiple sites or that the fact that they're twins and thus likely just show each other favouritism. And if favouritism is against the rules then I believe we need to call out all clique or clique like behaviour, which has been present since day 1 on OLF!

poyser insists we tend not to let people living in the same house play together, but i must asl: since when? where in the rulebook of mafia has this ever been enforced or stated?! we've known they live together for nearly a year now and not one mention of this so called rule.

i present:

exhibit a: reaper/rosslyn. while short lived, there was ZERO objection to the husband and wife duo playing together in the same household, same kitchen, and even when sharing the same bed. No one thought they were cheating nor did they consider it a risk that they were cheating. While their stint on wrestlingforum.com was stint on personalitycafe.com was much longer. While many members of WF did not partake in perc mafia or didn't for very long, one that did was in fact POYSER himself. he has never had an issue with people playing in the same household.

exhibit b: evans and his fake brother. i wasnt actually around for this but the brother was fake and evans was cheating and got exposed and yet again not only did no one have issue with evans eventual return, but no one initially had issues with the fake brothers playing together in the same household. it was also clear they were cheating due to a discrepancy in performance.

instead i offer a counter proposal:

ultra is weak and orca/polar inhibit him and thus he cries. while fair or not, it is the truth. ultra's campaign has been a long one and over time he's gained support not through credibility, but because orca and polar can be frankly annoying. he denies polar's improvements and cooperation over time because he's salty.

You realize this sight isn't WF or whatever

What we decide as forum policy is distinctly according to OLF's best interest, there is 0 relevancy in what you guys did about x 10 years ago you old fart. Asserting hypocrisy has zero bearing to me or anyone who cares about playing on equal turf.

 

[Poyser]

Reaper and rosslyn didn’t play together because we agreed they shouldn’t

Fail

 

[Magic]

You realize this sight isn't WF or whatever

What we decide as forum policy is distinctly according to OLF's best interest, there is 0 relevancy in what you guys did about x 10 years ago you old fart. Asserting hypocrisy has zero bearing to me or anyone who cares about playing on equal turf.

you ran a court of public opinion to form a policy? typical american smh.

this isn't about playing on equal turf. this is an agenda. with such a clear agenda your voice should have been removed from any said policy discussion as it cannot be relied upon to be fair.

 

[Ultra]

Also I've played with hundreds of players in mafia, never have I let personal grievances or someone flaming me in a game or whatever cause me to want to seek to ban somebody. It's a ridiculous notion. I have gotten in the shit with countless people in my tenure without screeching about it. I would go as far to say I have a more cavalier attitude about bans than you guys do on average.

You're just hopelessly deluded.

 

[Poyser]

Evans and his brother were extended courtesy, and there was 100% people that said they were uncomfortable with it and people that said they didn’t even believe they were brothers. We allowed it as a good faith courtesy and as soon as there was evidence of cheating, we BANNED THEM FROM PLAYING TOGETHER

We’ve actually been very consistent with it over the years. We extended orca and polar the same good faith courtesy and they shit all over it, so they’re banned from playing together. As simple as that

 

[Magic]

Reaper and rosslyn didn’t play together because we agreed they shouldn’t

Fail

did you or did you not play with reaper and rosslyn together in many games?

i also dont recall them not playing together because of any rule. they were ran off the site within like a month of rosslyn joining.

 

[Flower]

Stop posting in this thread ffs.

LOCKED.

 

[Poyser]

did you or did you not play with reaper and rosslyn together in many games?

i also dont recall them not playing together because of any rule. they were ran off the site within like a month of rosslyn joining.

They didn’t play together mate. They played in games hosted by each other but that’s about the extent of it. They never even wanted to play together themselves iirc because they didn’t think it would be right or that they’d be able to do it

 

[Ultra]

you ran a court of public opinion to form a policy? typical american smh.

this isn't about playing on equal turf. this is an agenda. with such a clear agenda your voice should have been removed from any said policy discussion as it cannot be relied upon to be fair.

Stop brushing this under the rug, this is 100% the issue and literally the only thing that matters. Period. There's no place in competitive mafia for their situation without compromising the contest.