Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

Toaru’s timeline is dense AF but still pretty simple to follow, the main series being straightforward and none of the spin-offs other than maybe Accelerator require knowing other series to understand.

Fate is a clusterfuck with all the adaptations, spin-offs, and alternate timelines and F/GO dumping them all together.

And Transformers looks to be a lot like the latter

Mr.OMG said:

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just the couple of transformers manga ive dug into ive had to reread like 6 times to try and make sure i understood everything going on and even then I know there's a ton I missed

for one manga

i havent even gone that far into jp continuity yet in general lol

GaRbS said:

Alright, let's see:
1-Prove that an Atlantean ship has as much firepower as a Noble Phantasm ship.

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The fact that Jason outright states they cannot take a single ship head on during their plan in Atlantis?

GaRbS said:

2-Tell me how strong do you think a Noble Phantasm ship is and why

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Oh, so Ranks don't suddenly matter and they are just normal ships? I don't remember normal ships obliterating Demon God Pillars as is the case in Turas Realta.

GaRbS said:

3-The Cerberus can hold back 10K ships, that doesn't mean you can take the firepower of a single ship and multiply by 10K to give to the Cerberus, that's not how fighting armies works.

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...Okay so let's actually use this logic of yours with one of the series you constantly back:
How can Genos be someone who can obliterate Mountains in his weakest form not be able to deal with an Asteroid in any fashion whatsoever just so Saitama can look better by comparison?
So Genos can't obliterate a Mountain then right?

What the hell do you think hold back means? Especially for one being versus 10,000 ships or does that not apply to the Third Raikage in Naruto for something similar?

What a shitty fucking argument.

Characters having better reaction speed than their travel speed is a known thing in multiple pieces of fiction.

And of course there's the classic "b-but it's setting breaking".
No dumbass, just because you can't wrap your head around a character being that strong/fast does not mean that it breaks the setting.


The fact that this guy is an ADVISER and is using that as an argument is both hilarious and pathetic.

Mr.OMG said:

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The funny part is that neither Fate or To Aru have anything close to "difficult to follow continuities".
To Aru and Fate is no different than .Hack//.
Now American Comics Continuities and shit like Transformers? Now THOSE have continuities that have people going for the exit.

Was just reminded of this gem

Astaro said:

Fate is a clusterfuck with all the adaptations, spin-offs, and alternate timelines and F/GO dumping them all together.

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Not really, that speaks to someone who actually never bothered with the franchise.
It's actually a meme that Fate is a clusterfuck because you look at it from the outside in. Fate is HILARIOUSLY easy to follow like To Aru because you can start from any of the series and be fine because all of them are meant to be in their own continuities with only otherwise pointing out how the shared Multiverse aspect otherwise at times.

People only tell people to start with VN Fate/Stay Night because it tells you everything about the series that the other series won't, I watched the animated series and outside of the character dynamics, it's basically the basic beats.

You can play Fate/Extella and Extella Link and it's story matters with only bits on how the Universal Mechanics work.

And I have consistently called FGO "Baby's First Fate" because it's literally the only series that actually talks about everything that was only slightly laid out about the actual mechanics of the Universe all in one place.
You can literally watch Tsukihime, Play Melty Blood and KnK and nothing else and you won't be forced to need to watch anything Fate wise at all to understand something. It's no different than not needing to watch the spinoffs if you want to understand Magical Index.

Fate is not a Western Comic Franchise by any means.

On the subject of watch/read orders...

@OtherGalaxy How in gods name does one get into Transformers again

You can say the continuity isn't confusing but when you have red saber and saber of red as two distinct unrelated characters that both wear red and have blonde hair someone in the writing room is getting their wires crossed

Randomdude said:

You can say the continuity isn't confusing but when you have red saber and saber of red as two distinct unrelated characters that both wear red and have blonde hair someone in the writing room is getting their wires crossed

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True but Nero rarely goes by Red Saber anymore and neither does Mordred go by "Saber of Red".
And it's not long in either continuity until you get their real names so...

And even then, that's not an issue of continuity, Apocrypha and Extra are entirely different series and they so happened to have a Saber designated Red, that's it.

Paxton said:

On the subject of watch/read orders...

@OtherGalaxy How in gods name does one get into Transformers again

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it's actually not hard to just get into because each series is moooostly standalone. So any weird lore crossover bullshit is only if you dive deep into side material. You can literally pick any random cartoon or comic that seems remotely interesting and just hop into that.

The deeper connected lore is what's tricky and I'm not sure there's really anyone who knows all of it, but it mainly begins with stuff like the Transformers Collector's Club comics and things of that nature

I just watched Armada, Cybertron and some of the Bay flicks

Masterblack06 said:

Comics is a cluster fuck of "issue number 1s" it's cancer

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Honestly, I'm not even trying to defend Fate here because it can come off like it's One Piece for some people coming in but dear god, American Comics Continuity(Especially Marvel and DC) make even stuff like Golgo 13 look good.
Everything is canon... until it isn't or completely retconned. You have so many Number 1's it's virtually impossible to tell where to actually start and if there won't be a NEW number 1 a few weeks later.

Everything about the characters fluctuate depending on the writers, editors or even the companies at will and there is NEVER an ending planned at all past some writers TRYING and failing miserably.
I never plan on really going into American Comics for that exact reason or even trying to be attached for similar reasons.

One.

Also...

Bonus scenario: they get a literal fucking dragon god on their side.

Paxton said:

How Many Red Dragons To Stop The Rumbling

The Dragon flock spawns in Marley just before the Rumbling reaches the mainland. They collectively agree that these weird giants need to die. All of the dragons are ancient reds. So how many of these: Does it take to stop this: The dragons start a few kilometers inland, but see the oncoming...

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One.

Also...

Bonus scenario: they get a literal fucking dragon god on their side.

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Aren't Dragons in D&D Country Busting? I say this because Nasu used something as context for why Dragons in that series is Country Busting at minimum too and I think it was D&D due to it's huge influence.

Xhominid the Fool said:

Aren't Dragons in D&D Country Busting? I say this because Nasu used something as context for why Dragons in that series is Country Busting at minimum too and I think it was D&D due to it's huge influence.

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I'd assume an Ancient Red Dragon would be, something something scaling to Phaethons who heat entire worlds.
Though I guess that'd be more on the continental side of things.

Or at the very least, scaling to Kraken's causing city level storms (iirc).

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I'd assume an Ancient Red Dragon would be, something something scaling to Phaethons who heat entire worlds.
Though I guess that'd be more on the continental side of things.

Or at the very least, scaling to Kraken's causing city level storms (iirc).

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Either way, even a City Buster is beyond anything in AoT last time I checked, so a single Red Dragon more than suffices.