Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

[Cryso Agori]

Dragon vs Dragons (Pokemon Vs Asoiaf)

Dragon Death Match:- Charizard Vs Balerion, Vhagar And Meraxes Who will win? The Kanto Pseudo Legendary or The Icons of House Targaryen:- Win by Death or K.O

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I don't know anything about ASOIAF but if its anything like GOT dragons Charizard is roasting the lizards

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Composite SRW vs Unicron

VS So Unicron decides to snack on another universe filled with robots, simple enough. The premise is that Unicron has found a way to enter a composite SRW-verse, Victory conditions being the complete destruction of both sides. For Round 1: SRW-verse gets no prep time and but basic...

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its funny to me people always bring up the scale thing so that like getter emperor or whatever can win when canonically even individual iterations of Unicron can be bigger than multiple universes lol

 

[Blade]

getter emperor from various getter manga, can scale to multiversal+ levels, on his own, at fp

but

what

they

don't know, is

unicron literally cuis megaversal+ chars, casually

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Shalltear Bloodfallen(Overlord) vs Starborn Karna(Fate)

Fine Inverse square for semi sphere as the attack produces omni directional waves was above ground and the energy produces is atleast of magnitude 5 earthquake.the distance between the two is atleast 5km as the garden is several kilometres away and is hanging in the air. The formula will be...

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Actually, that was mentioned even by ShadowWhoWalks, who actually did a damn good calc on it as well and came to the same conclusion(give or take a few kilometers up and away from the battlefield at large).
And what people truly tend to miss?

Jeanne D'Arc did that 3 times with no assistance from a Noble Phantasm(Her Flag IS a Noble Phantasm but it primarily uses her MR and is not an attack variant), it was just raw strength... and Karna STILL MADE HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE despite that AND being an Extra Class Servant which gives her a big boost at that(To put it into more perspective, Archer Jeanne finds herself weaker than Ruler Jeanne... despite being able to create a Country wide OCEAN as a byproduct of her Noble Phantasm).

Anyone who says Shaltear can take a Brahmastra is 500 levels of kidding themselves.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

The points against it is some of the most retarded logic I've seen:

Shalltear Bloodfallen(Overlord) vs Starborn Karna(Fate)

See, several problems here, but the most important... ...this happens on the hanging gardens. Said garden hanging in the air. Which just slams the calc in the kneecaps, because you can't apply an earthquake calculation to something that is being levitated in the air. For all we know, the magic...

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See, several problems here, but the most important...
...this happens on the hanging gardens. Said garden hanging in the air. Which just slams the calc in the kneecaps, because you can't apply an earthquake calculation to something that is being levitated in the air. For all we know, the magic keeping it up has exactly as much energy as it needs to keep it floating, so any decently powerful hit could make the thing shake by applying extra strain on the levitation.

Also, you can feel earthquakes from mag 3 on just fine.

...This is supposed to be a site based on physics right? Like in a sense, you can't use an Earthquake Calc because it's floating in mid-air... except you actually kinda can because we have somewhat similar shit that can work for it in real life:

Aftershocks. Shockwaves. Turbulence.

Nothing is 100% because it's fiction but this is ALSO a VS. Debate and a hobby so this shit can and should be used if you are trying to be honest in your hobby. The Floating City(yes City, anyone who believes the Hanging Gardens is just a Fortress needs glasses... like everyone does in SB) literally shook so hard, Semiramis made it float even higher, the text used trembled violently and ultimately stated it was like it was affected by an Earthquake. "You can feel a Magnitude 3 Earthquake" completely takes away from the very wording itself:

Chapter 3-12

Previous Page Next Page VOLUME 2 Chapter 3 Ch3-12 Assassin of Red’s Fortress Noble Phantasm, Hanging Gardens of Babylon. Though on the battlefield, this fortress was the only place ruled by silence…

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When Shirou had carelessly talked to Caster of Red about his origins, Caster couldn’t help seeming as if he were about to spill over and fall from the gossip. Moreover, it was quite possible that he’d publish it as biography.

“Hmph. I am not so much of a fiend that I’d expose people’s privacy, but—whoa there.”

An impact ran through the ground beneath them from the bottom of the gardens. The whole gardens trembled violently as if affected by an earthquake.

“…That was?”

“The aftershock of Berserker’s attack, probably. It seems he’s about to reach his critical point.”

Assassin of Red ordered the Hanging Gardens to ascend higher in the air. It would be troubling if these gardens were targeted by that [weapon]. He should be targeting not these gardens, but the Fortress of Millennia.

You even have at the end, Semiramis believed Spartacus was ATTACKING THE HANGING GARDENS and not attacking the Fortress like he was trying to do.

 

[Masterblack06]

Johnny Silverhand (Cyberpunk) vs. The Creeper (Jeepers Creepers)

VS. Johnny Silverhand encounters the Creeper and they fight. Who wins? Information: Location: Edgewood Farm. Death or incapacitation. No preptime. Bloodlust. Full knowledge. Johnny receives feats from Cyberpunk 2020, RED, 2077. Creeper receives feats from the first two Jeepers Creepers films...

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@Atem

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Arcueid going full ''**** you'' when killed in the end of Tsukihime would be the first, though - the World Egg phenomena. Buddha, BB/Moon Cell and Velber/Altera should probably be here also. isn't it stated that amarterasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>buddha? That reminds me, BTW nasu should really stop...

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Time to go back to my usual favorite game of "Kick VSB Nasuverse in the shins"
(Note: This is not my favorite game and honestly, I feel the VSB Nasuverse thread is only rivaled by the VSB One Punch Man and VSB DMC Threads in being so blatantly wrong in multiple respects, my head fathom can take it)

mean scaling matters from a story perspective for the sake of consistency. but also because again, it seems becoming a beast was the final product, which is stated to be below her moon self.

That's... not why CCC Kiara > FGO Kiara...
If you actually bothered to actually use that brain, BOTH versions of Kiara ultimately became a Beast(Nasu was practically beating people over the head only when the fusion of Angra Mainyu and Sakura happen, did the World itself tried to forcefully get rid of them both, including putting massive pressure on Sakura in an attempt to erase them here)(Here is hyperlinked to the Story Portion that states it)

That's why CCC Kiara has the name of Angra Mainyu...
FGO Kiara is far weaker because she's primarily using pen-ultimately a weaker means to ascend to a Beast(Basically getting so much Spiritrons to force herself to ascend to that level using the tidbits she had leftoever vs. Absorbing the Sakura Five, The Moon Cell and having Hans' NP work on her somewhat).

BB has never encountered a True Daemon. it specifically states that True Daemons have never manifested in Extra. not in Gaia or the Moon Cell at least which are BB's only points of reference.

this may have changed in Extella Worlds/current canon though but that's speculation. regardless we have no reference point of how strong True Daemons are in the modern canon except being compared to GO Kiara, which at best is wrong and at worst shows they are massively below their original selves.

no. the canons are split for several lore reasons. Extella rewrites Extra and adds lore incompatible with old Nasuverse. and the Tsukihime Remake outright is entirely different to the original in both lore and scaling.

This is wrong again on so many levels...
1. While it's correct BB has never encountered a True Daemon in CCC, we actually DO know where True Daemons lie... hell, we've been meeting their avatars for quite some time:
Fate/EXTRA material - Encyclopedia: True Demon [Circumstances], p.190

Their existences would approximate to that of the cosmic horrors (邪神, jashin?, lit. "evil god") of a certain fictitious Mythos popular in the 20th century.

Yes, the Lovecraftian Outer Gods FGO has been constantly dealing with, hell, BB struck a deal with one of them(Nyarlothetop) and even became as strong as she was at the end of the normal route of CCC. So yeah, we DO know where they lie at power wise so it makes it ridiculous to pretend we don't.

2. Sigh, Nasu never re-written canon for CCC, hell, Extella explicitly follows the ending of Extra... but it still shows through Gilgamesh that CCC explicitly happened(Basically CCC happened during Extra but due to how completely eskew it was, the Moon Cell literally deleted it's timeline and thus, it "happened and didn't happen" at the same time. This is why the Moon Cell can create BB herself, no strings attached despite it technically not happening.) and again, the Tsukihime Remake changed virtually NOTHING about the lore or made it incompatible(For fuck's sake, Tsukihime Remake requires you to know about the old lore, makes references to it and Type Lumina explicitly shows it's still in play even now).
Like I know, apparently Ushiwakamaru's storyline in Type Lumina had her not be able to fight Ahika at full power and thus "DAA = Divine Spirits" is somehow confirmed canon(Despite Ushi isn't a High Tier Servant by any means, Servants was stated even in Lostbelt 1 at their strongest to rival Ivan The Terrible(aka, the being that can somehow fight Zeus and give him a run for his money) Ahika was always all but stated to be total bullshit if she completely inverts even in the original and Jester's remark literally talks about a Divine Spirit's Authority which =/= power levels, something DAA literally have an equivalent with Idea Blood).

a good story requires consistency. if we have a multiversal reality warper randomly jobbing to fodder, the story falls a part. GO and current Nasuverse may be bad and all over the place but it's clear they were trying to explicitly state that GO Kiara is weaker than her Moon self to fix any scaling issues.

Jesus, we are really getting into this now? CCC Kiara literally lost because of not only the Sakura Five fought against her from the inside, she didn't even adapt to her powers(And chose not to) and wanted to fight hand to hand... how is that any better than "BB literally goes "THIS IS MY REALITY" mode and completely weaken her"?
Especially since if we go by VSB Terms, CCC Kiara jobbed even harder than her FGO counterpart did, she actually killed Ritsuka in the first timeline and told BB to go fuck off when she tried to bail them out.

the real BB in CCC could only nerf Kaira due to being inside her with the other Sakuras assisting her. and they could only do that due to their love for Hakuno, which wouldn't apply here. said nerf also only nerfed Kiara to CCC Gilgamesh's level with White Sakura amps. higher actually because she was holding back via carelessness and personal preference of primary combat on top of being nerfed. in GO this an absurdly weaker BB with virtually no power or hax compared to her CCC self, is outside of Kiara's body and Hakuno is not a factor here. yet if Kiara is equal to her CCC self, she still got nerfed and somehow even harder than ever before.

Why are people acting like only Gilgamesh matters in CCC? Hello, Nero, Tamamo and EMIYA are selectable too? And they kill her as well! Multiverse Theory is a bitch but it's there and it happened!
"BB is significantly weaker than her CCC self" Now that's a load of bullshit. FGO BB only lacks the Moon Cell but every other time we meet her in Digital Space(Even the Digital Space of say... Passionlip), she is literally a God in there and the only way to kill her is to effectively destroy the entire Space at worst or at best destroy the space she's around(Which needlessly to say, is really fucking difficult) with it not helping that she emphatically handicaps herself so even with the smallest chances, humans must be able to win against her(something that can actually be brought up to her Moon Cell self considering she was controlled... by the Moon Cell)

several continental physical feats and scaling to Tsukihime's continental feats as well. on top of Types supposed to embody their planet and should be able to reality warp them beyond the level of BB even. ORT can even rewrite Gaia's reality and laws with his own. and this is humanity 500 years in the future. the Six Sisters wield True Magic even. yet despite all of this, it was stated that Angel Notes is a hopeless story meaning humanity is screwed. the main character Godo was literally killed at the end of Angel Notes by Type-Saturn. that's a rather dark ending. 5 of the Six Sisters were also killed by Type-Pluto as they took it down with them. and the other one was killed by an Ether Liner before the Types even invaded. So 7 out of the 8 known humans who can actually kill Types are all dead. Ado Edem is the only one left who is known to be able to kill Types. And at the very least Type-Moon and ORT are left to deal with, if not more Types.

1. Servants can do Continental Physical feats and scaling, not sure why that matters where TYPEs sit at considering TYPEs actually do have nonsense even outside of Notes to use.

2. Just mention that fucking Arcueid, a True Ancestor that has the potential to be both TYPE-Moon and TYPE-Earth was able to no-sell the fucking Moon Cell trying to delete her at 30%.

Besides, Lostbelt 7 is incoming and considering it's heavily implied we will be facing ORT, we will get the long standing TYPE question there.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Gremmy Thoumeaux (Bleach) vs Makima (Chainsaw Man)

vs I was debating with a friend yesterday and we couldn't decide a clear winner for this matchup so I decided to do it. Starting distance is 50 meters No prep for both sides and no knowledge Both are in-character and both get feats from canon material Win by completely killing the opponent...

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lmao, Gremmy is too fast to even be touched by Makima, even with her feat of being able to react to and defeat 20% Gun Devil, cause chaos calced them sub-rel(unless that only applies to SK Yhwach, Ichigo and Aizen)

+ he can easily destroy Makima's regen contract by wiping out all of Japan with one of his meteors. But he doesn't even need to go that far, Galaxy Room would incap Makima cause she can't escape like Kenpachi.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Also Quincy Soul Eradication should only apply to Hollows, it was never stated in the manga that Quincy can also eradicate human and shinigami souls.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Gremmy Thoumeaux (Bleach) vs Makima (Chainsaw Man)

vs I was debating with a friend yesterday and we couldn't decide a clear winner for this matchup so I decided to do it. Starting distance is 50 meters No prep for both sides and no knowledge Both are in-character and both get feats from canon material Win by completely killing the opponent...

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lmao, Gremmy is too fast to even be touched by Makima, even with her feat of being able to react to and defeat 20% Gun Devil, cause chaos calced them sub-rel(unless that only applies to SK Yhwach, Ichigo and Aizen)

+ he can easily destroy Makima's regen contract by wiping out all of Japan with one of his meteors. But he doesn't even need to go that far, Galaxy Room would incap Makima cause she can't escape like Kenpachi.

He literally turns her bones to cookies, GG.

 

[Cryso Agori]

He literally turns her bones to cookies, GG.

How would that work with Makima's contract with the Prime Minister though? The one where all damage done to her gets offloaded to random japanese citizen.

Would the cookie bones become her bones new state of being, so that even if she offloads the damage they'd simply break again cause there now cookie? Or would the bones turning to cookie be considered damage and now some random citizen dies while Makima's bones goes back to normal?

Interesting thoughts, not really gonna help her win though.

galaxy room gg

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

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Arcueid going full ''**** you'' when killed in the end of Tsukihime would be the first, though - the World Egg phenomena. Buddha, BB/Moon Cell and Velber/Altera should probably be here also. isn't it stated that amarterasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>buddha? That reminds me, BTW nasu should really stop...

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ah yes, like how many people casually know this outside of the website and battle boarding. you know people who actually know what they're talking about. but hey, stick with that Complex Multiversal hydrogen bomb Tiamat that totally isn't bullshit or anything.

Yes, Complex Multiversal for Femme Fatale Tiamat is all kinds of retarded but ONLY believing Tiamat is Hydrogen Bomb level is also all kinds of retarded. Femme Fatale Tiamat is literally described a "Restraining Bolt" for her actual self and THE weakest Tiamat can ever be(Those chains around her isn't for show)
The Anime actually makes it clearer by showing Tiamat is exponentially getting stronger within each new form in a blink and you'll miss it scene which makes this more apparent.

or how she has immeasurable speed yet took a significant amount of time to even cross the ocean to reach Uruk. or how you flip flop on Word of God being usable or not. like saying Nasu's words should be rejected entirely even if not contradicted and then use contradicted statements later to wank Servants.

1. Immeasurable Speed 2nd Stage Tiamat is just as stupid but again, the game actually explains why Tiamat isn't moving at super quick speeds despite having the body and form to perform Interstellar Travel:
The Legs she has can just barely keep her up but she also needs to constantly create The Primordial Sea just for her to WALK PROPERLY. She literally tries to fly and everyone goes apeshit because yeah, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO STOP HER OTHERWISE AND WAS TREATED AS AN INSTANT GAME OVER IF THEY WAS TOO LATE.

2. Yeah, Flip-Flopping on Nasu's words is absolutely stupid because yeah, he doesn't really contradict himself as people say he does. Goetia's bullshit was all but implied in fucking MELTY BLOOD, years before FGO was even a thing(while he went under "Ancient I" back then). The Angra Mainyu/Tiamat Grail Mud/Primordial Sea was hinted at since fucking Nvrsqr and was basically given onus from there AND Fate/Stay Night all the way till FGO... again.
Even Goetia's ultimate goal has ties to Mahoyo, the literal first Novel that Nasu has ever wrote. Motherfucker ain't perfect but it always amazes me VSB and even a few other sites pretend he's some Marvel/DC Editor who never planned his shit out or is constantly telling other authors to go balls out and not restrain themselves because maybe... his universe is more busted than he sometimes put out because he wanted to stick to motifs back then(Which he literally stated in both the original Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night).

or how you agree with Melty Blood Arcade Routes for one thread then say they are invalid the next one for reasons that anyone who played the games would know are bullshit.

The Bad Ends for Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, Extra and CCC are canon, the character endings for Extella are Canon as are the Main Endings for each of the stories. The Adaptations are canon, Type - Lumina explicitly mentions that the Character Story of Neco-Arc had her in a different Universe of Melty Blood and Type Lumina entirely.
When will people understand that every ending no matter how insane or depressing it is in the Nasuverse is actually canon? The Kaliedoscope shit really does get ignored when it becomes convenient for people to bitch at it not making sense because they can't get something.

keep on rocking buddy. let people who actually know about the lore beyond just power scaling and Fate do the talking. you are borderline Seth tier.

You do a terrible job yourself, please do not even try.

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Arcueid going full ''**** you'' when killed in the end of Tsukihime would be the first, though - the World Egg phenomena. Buddha, BB/Moon Cell and Velber/Altera should probably be here also. isn't it stated that amarterasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>buddha? That reminds me, BTW nasu should really stop...

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CCC world follows different rule than GO world. The same reason why Servantverse' Servant can casually destroy planets while GO need a lot of bullshit to do that and they still failed.

...
VSB is truly full of idiots...
The CCC Universe does not follow different rules than any other Nasuverse Universe, hell, it's explicitly WEAKER because it's not even the equivalent of TYPE-Moon or anything. It's literally an Alien Supercomputer that works similarly to a Greater Grail, that's it.
And the "GO needing a ton of bullshit and failing and Servantverse Servants can casually destroy Planets" completely and utterly misses why that's the case.(Great way to prove the dude's point).

Servantverse Servants can destroy Planets, Stars and even Galaxies is because they aren't beholden to a Planet's rules anymore, they are basically beyond that and are virtual aliens to where ever they go(Just like Velber, just like the Machine Gods, just like the Outer Gods).
In any other Universe(Yes, not even Extra is immune because the Moon Cell will instantly delete your ass if you try and destroy it or become a threat to it, surprise that they ignore the lore to their own series when it suits them?), the Planet/Celestial Object/etc, literally has a major contingency to stop those born on it to be able to destroy the Planet(It's not even sugarcoated in the "typical Nasu fashion", it's literally told to you as pointblank as it gets... reading comprehension really is a dying artform):


This is why Moriarty's plan(which was never his major plan to begin with) was doomed to fail HOWEVER, you still had Excalibur be able to kill a being that was literally killed the fucking SUN(Amaterasu) and could brave it's heat(Sefar) and how Durandal was able to deflect Lostbelt Artemis' Planet Destroying Laser... twice.

So congrats fellow VSB user, in the attempt to try and point out why the first user was wrong, you ultimately end up proving him right when it comes to ignoring shit when it suits you.

 

[Paxton]

Gremmy Thoumeaux (Bleach) vs Makima (Chainsaw Man)

vs I was debating with a friend yesterday and we couldn't decide a clear winner for this matchup so I decided to do it. Starting distance is 50 meters No prep for both sides and no knowledge Both are in-character and both get feats from canon material Win by completely killing the opponent...

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lmao, Gremmy is too fast to even be touched by Makima, even with her feat of being able to react to and defeat 20% Gun Devil, cause chaos calced them sub-rel(unless that only applies to SK Yhwach, Ichigo and Aizen)

+ he can easily destroy Makima's regen contract by wiping out all of Japan with one of his meteors. But he doesn't even need to go that far, Galaxy Room would incap Makima cause she can't escape like Kenpachi.

rip the balance of souls

Though how would Gremmy even know about the contract to begin with and why would the contract apply to the Bleach humans in Japan as opposed to the ones in CSM cross-verse (thus forcing the opponent to either burn through her lives or deal with her through other means)?

 

[Paxton]

Also Quincy Soul Eradication should only apply to Hollows, it was never stated in the manga that Quincy can also eradicate human and shinigami souls.

Also, you know, the Shinigami that are in Hell and are clearly not eradicated from the cycle of reincarnation by any of the Quincies in the TYBW.

 

[Paxton]

Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Arcueid going full ''**** you'' when killed in the end of Tsukihime would be the first, though - the World Egg phenomena. Buddha, BB/Moon Cell and Velber/Altera should probably be here also. isn't it stated that amarterasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>buddha? That reminds me, BTW nasu should really stop...

vsbattles.com

Yes, Complex Multiversal for Femme Fatale Tiamat is all kinds of retarded but ONLY believing Tiamat is Hydrogen Bomb level is also all kinds of retarded. Femme Fatale Tiamat is literally described a "Restraining Bolt" for her actual self and THE weakest Tiamat can ever be(Those chains around her isn't for show)
The Anime actually makes it clearer by showing Tiamat is exponentially getting stronger within each new form in a blink and you'll miss it scene which makes this more apparent.



1. Immeasurable Speed 2nd Stage Tiamat is just as stupid but again, the game actually explains why Tiamat isn't moving at super quick speeds despite having the body and form to perform Interstellar Travel:
The Legs she has can just barely keep her up but she also needs to constantly create The Primordial Sea just for her to WALK PROPERLY. She literally tries to fly and everyone goes apeshit because yeah, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO STOP HER OTHERWISE AND WAS TREATED AS AN INSTANT GAME OVER IF THEY WAS TOO LATE.

2. Yeah, Flip-Flopping on Nasu's words is absolutely stupid because yeah, he doesn't really contradict himself as people say he does. Goetia's bullshit was all but implied in fucking MELTY BLOOD, years before FGO was even a thing(while he went under "Ancient I" back then). The Angra Mainyu/Tiamat Grail Mud/Primordial Sea was hinted at since fucking Nvrsqr and was basically given onus from there AND Fate/Stay Night all the way till FGO... again.
Even Goetia's ultimate goal has ties to Mahoyo, the literal first Novel that Nasu has ever wrote. Motherfucker ain't perfect but it always amazes me VSB and even a few other sites pretend he's some Marvel/DC Editor who never planned his shit out or is constantly telling other authors to go balls out and not restrain themselves because maybe... his universe is more busted than he sometimes put out because he wanted to stick to motifs back then(Which he literally stated in both the original Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night).



The Bad Ends for Tsukihime, Fate/Stay Night, Extra and CCC are canon, the character endings for Extella are Canon as are the Main Endings for each of the stories. The Adaptations are canon, Type - Lumina explicitly mentions that the Character Story of Neco-Arc had her in a different Universe of Melty Blood and Type Lumina entirely.
When will people understand that every ending no matter how insane or depressing it is in the Nasuverse is actually canon? The Kaliedoscope shit really does get ignored when it becomes convenient for people to bitch at it not making sense because they can't get something.



You do a terrible job yourself, please do not even try.

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Arcueid going full ''**** you'' when killed in the end of Tsukihime would be the first, though - the World Egg phenomena. Buddha, BB/Moon Cell and Velber/Altera should probably be here also. isn't it stated that amarterasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>buddha? That reminds me, BTW nasu should really stop...

vsbattles.com

...
VSB is truly full of idiots...
The CCC Universe does not follow different rules than any other Nasuverse Universe, hell, it's explicitly WEAKER because it's not even the equivalent of TYPE-Moon or anything. It's literally an Alien Supercomputer that works similarly to a Greater Grail, that's it.
And the "GO needing a ton of bullshit and failing and Servantverse Servants can casually destroy Planets" completely and utterly misses why that's the case.(Great way to prove the dude's point).

Servantverse Servants can destroy Planets, Stars and even Galaxies is because they aren't beholden to a Planet's rules anymore, they are basically beyond that and are virtual aliens to where ever they go(Just like Velber, just like the Machine Gods, just like the Outer Gods).
In any other Universe(Yes, not even Extra is immune because the Moon Cell will instantly delete your ass if you try and destroy it or become a threat to it, surprise that they ignore the lore to their own series when it suits them?), the Planet/Celestial Object/etc, literally has a major contingency to stop those born on it to be able to destroy the Planet(It's not even sugarcoated in the "typical Nasu fashion", it's literally told to you as pointblank as it gets... reading comprehension really is a dying artform):


This is why Moriarty's plan(which was never his major plan to begin with) was doomed to fail HOWEVER, you still had Excalibur be able to kill a being that was literally killed the fucking SUN(Amaterasu) and could brave it's heat(Sefar) and how Durandal was able to deflect Lostbelt Artemis' Planet Destroying Laser... twice.

So congrats fellow VSB user, in the attempt to try and point out why the first user was wrong, you ultimately end up proving him right when it comes to ignoring shit when it suits you.

So remind me, the Outer Gods are True Daemons (not Primordial Daemons), correct?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

So remind me, the Outer Gods are True Daemons (not Primordial Daemons), correct?

Yes, Nasu basically held that in Extra for quite some time but it's virtually meant to be them as part of an example of True Daemons.
Primordial Daemons are a WHOLE 'nother can of worms that we have never seen yet and the only potential glimpse we see of them is from the Tsukihime Remake in why that Universes' Kiara refuses to ascend as she will be seen as a tiny fish in the overall scale of the Universe.

 

[Type-Rey]

No... i already explained how this shit works.
Kiara tried to become a Demon (Ma) in Tsukihime which is not the same thing as True Daemon (Shinsei Akuma)
Primordial Daemons (Gensho no akuma) are a sub-category of Shinsei Akuma.

Every time i see Nasu shit adressed here, i get a headache. Thank fuck i don't have the patience to read the big walls of text.

 

[Masterblack06]

Sanakan vs Misaka Mikoto vs Kamen Rider Zero-Two

1) Misaka cannot react fast enough, also Misaka is somebody who talks before doing something. Sanakan can close up and shred her when Misaka start to emit the first syllable. Or just shot a GBE and be done with it. Sadly for Misaka even if she reacts fast enough, Sanakan have a deflector build...

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>Kamen Rider Zero-Two loses in a fight because he has to do poses and stuff

Alright come the fuck on now

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

No... i already explained how this shit works.
Kiara tried to become a Demon (Ma) in Tsukihime which is not the same thing as True Daemon (Shinsei Akuma)
Primordial Daemons (Gensho no akuma) are a sub-category of Shinsei Akuma.

Every time i see Nasu shit adressed here, i get a headache. Thank fuck i don't have the patience to read the big walls of text.

I'm sorry, you want to get out of the game and I keep pulling you back in, I apologize.

 

[Paxton]

Yes, Nasu basically held that in Extra for quite some time but it's virtually meant to be them as part of an example of True Daemons.
Primordial Daemons are a WHOLE 'nother can of worms that we have never seen yet and the only potential glimpse we see of them is from the Tsukihime Remake in why that Universes' Kiara refuses to ascend as she will be seen as a tiny fish in the overall scale of the Universe.

I thought True Daemons were born from Gaia or w/e?

Which uh, Outer Gods very obviously are not