I won't stand and watch aspiring new members like
@Nelsama taken in by these lies anymore.
With
@Lord Stark's help, I've compiled a library's worth of evidence to accurately assess Yamamoto's position on tier lists. Agendaposts, shitposts, incorrect interpretations, and disingenuous remarks won't be tolerated. There are only - as some of our most distinguished posters would say - FACTS allowed here:
1) Soul Society arc.
Yamamoto, who is purportedly so strong that two captains can't fight him? From the early stage of Byakuya vs Ichigo up until Aizen gets exposed, Shunsui and Ukitake were fine. Better yet, they matched his shunpo step for step. Yamamoto is confirmed to have not held back either.
This was a fight to the death where he was punishing
criminals. As we later see in the reigai arc, Yamamoto was significantly pressured by their clones. Already proving that Yamamoto is only half a step above senior captain level.
2) The Arrancar arc is where much of Yamamoto's false hype comes from. We need to start from the top.
-Yamamoto and Barragan are heavily portrayed as rivals:
CFYOW also directly compares them. Yamamoto and the whole Gotei (including Unohana) lost to Ikomiki, while Barragan stalemated him as an equal.
Let it be known that Yamamoto himself said this:
By his admission, Ikomiki didn't escape. It defeated him. Now, Yamamoto didn't have the Ryujin Jakka, so he must have fought with the four arts, where he "supposedly" holds the title of strongest. In other words, Ikkotsu/Sokkotsu would be unable to defeat Pre-Arrancar Barragan. It's no wonder Yamamoto never intervened. He knew what was up.
- Next is Wonderweiss. Oh boy, the wank that comes with this "fight" is what let people believe Base Yamamoto is stronger than all captains. First, we know that he wouldn't beat Stark, because he can't beat Barragan with hakuda. In fact, because Ukitake could react to Yamamoto (and even Stark), WW must have been faster than Yama (and Stark) to achieve that blitz. Why then, did Yama blitz WW later? That one was hard to wrap my head around, but
@Lord Stark made compelling arguments:
WW is an actual retard. He has no control over his enormous powers, which is why he immediately starts losing to the likes of Mashiro after the single most impressive feat of all arrancar. Yamamoto beating him literally does not count. And we know it doesn't. The databook states tha
t WW only goes after people he considers "strong". He ignored Yamamoto and all other fighters to attack
Ukitake. Ukitake is a piece of the SK and the star of Hell arc. WW saw through the biggest danger. Yamamoto was not considered. In fact, Aizen was confident that Wonderweiss would defeat him.
- Moving on is one of the biggest misconceptions in all Bleach:
Yamamoto is intelligent. No. Just no.
Yamamoto never figured out Aizen's power. Aizen's KS can also control reikaku. Aizen could have duped him the whole time if not for PIS. Yamamoto was only coincidentally advantageous. And thank god it failed, imagine killing everyone there, only for Aizen to regenerate with the Hogyoku. GG for the story. Yhwach won't even have to wreck Seireitei himself this time. Shame this didn't work out so well the next time when Yama made another dumbass assumption with the bankai medallions and got it stolen. It would have happened anyway though,
since he showed off all its power to Haschwalth. 3) The Thousand-Year Ponzy Scheme
-Prime Yamamoto defeated Yhwach (2013): Incredible how much hype this utter lie generated despite us being told that Yhwach only fought with bows and arrows.
Cavemanwach required bankai. Now we learn that Sasakibe actually dealt the fatal blow. Yamamoto capitalized and stole the glory from this unsung hero. Like if Komamura off-screened Bug Tosen, only for us to later read the scene where Hisagi came clutch. Shameless.
- Yhwach needed the medallion to beat Bankai Yamamoto: False, Kubo told us that the medallion is an application of Sankt Altar. Yhwach could personally steal it and render Yamamoto powerless. Now the anime has it be told that Ichigo would stand no chance against Yhwach without surpassing the concept of shinigami. Whereas Yama is merely the "peak" of it. Now the latest episode has Yhwach throwing ZnT medallion (this is the one piece of evidence in this OP that is somewhat suspect and subject to change) like garbage. Yhwach absorbed Yamamoto's very soul. His techniques, knowledge, and powers with it. Ichibei slapped that shit, sorry.
- Even after death, the de-hype does not stop. Base Bazz-B offset RJ with his flames. The sheer copium from this feat has sent the entire fandom into the Mental Olympics. Please stop. Yamamoto did not hold back. Read the entire scene. Yamamoto said he was bloodlusted. He overkilled the Overkill and said he would exterminate all enemies. When Bazz-B tells Hitsugaya he survived the flames, Hitsugaya realizes that he was doomed. What is the point of this scene if dumb-ass power scalers reduce this to an arbitrary 0.00005% of Yama's power? How can that be quantified? Why would Hitsugaya even care in that case? The obvious point is to hype Bazz-B relative to Yama's true power otherwise the scene is meaningless. Yamamoto is not clear of senior-captain-level fighters.
- The elites are the strongest in Yhwach's army before Auschwalen, as confirmed in the volumes.
That means even the weakest fighter there is above Royd, who was more than a match for Shikai Yamamoto. That means even Base Gerard is stronger, as he never reached the heights he did until the following volumes.
4) The statements.
More fraudulent than not.
Oldest? RIP, Ichimonji exists. It doesn't even use the name 'bankai' like RJ does, and we know that the sword that Ikomiki became was before RJ was even created.
Greatest? Kyoka Suigetsu was considered unbeatable for Yamamoto by Unohana.
- "No shinigami in 1000 years has emerged that is stronger than me." - Yamamoto. A powerful statement, supported by Aizen saying he would lose if they fought toe-to-toe...but wait? Doesn't Aizen also say this?
The databook supports this by the way.
Souls called him "matchless"
Unmasked called him stronger than anyone else, for the illiterates. Aizen saw none as his equal. And he kinda tanked that hado 96 from Yama. Ichigo out-performed Yamamoto with that Getsuga didn't he? :blobshrug
Adding onto all of that, Unohana also thinks she's the strongest - Stronger than everyone except Zaraki. That includes Yhwach, Ichibei, etc. Call her delusional, but she is the Kenpachi - the strongest shinigami - in the era where Yama founded the Gotei. Strange for someone to have that title during their debut as a proper military. Either way, Yamamoto's statement, and even databook statements, are contested. Nothing is absolute, besides him being a competitor for the title of strongest. There are many others, unfortunately.
That's all she wrote, folks. I'm impressed if you got all the way down here, and fuck you if you didn't.
