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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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And what do you think of that response :doge
Yeah, my thought is the same as you. Even if Mata Hari strat doesn't "work" (does Gojo really destroys his brain and recreate it passively and on daily basis?), the rest of his teammates doesn't have that and the fact that half of them hates Gojo makes Mata Hari strat even better
 
Yeah, my thought is the same as you. Even if Mata Hari strat doesn't "work" (does Gojo really destroys his brain and recreate it passively and on daily basis?), the rest of his teammates doesn't have that and the fact that half of them hates Gojo makes Mata Hari strat even better
IIRC, he's just using Reverse Cursed Energy to heal the damage Limitless is doing to his brain, keeping his brain "fresh".
 
IIRC, he's just using Reverse Cursed Energy to heal the damage Limitless is doing to his brain, keeping his brain "fresh".
So, he is not doing it passively but just whenever he is using Limitless and only patching the brain to boot? Not destroying and recreate it from stratch?

Then Mata Hari should have no issue brainwashing him.
 
So, he is not doing it passively but just whenever he is using Limitless and only patching the brain to boot? Not destroying and recreate it from stratch?

Then Mata Hari should have no issue brainwashing him.
It's just healing, idk where the whole "destroy and recreate brain" shit came from.
 
It's just healing, idk where the whole "destroy and recreate brain" shit came from.

According to this poster
Gojo is constantly refreshing his brain via destroying it and regenerating it. This is something that as far as I know of, Nasuverse mind control has never shown to be able to bypass.

So there's no reason to assume that Mata Hari's MC would work since it doesn't have the feats for dealing with hax meant to counter it. Sure if Mata Hari was a planetary mind controller like Mr. X or high-end Emps you could argue NLF. But she's far weaker than them. Her big thing is MC that effects people with MC resist, which is pretty good.

But Gojo doesn't have MC resilience. He has a passive-auto cleanse that would remove such effects by. Well. Literally physically destroy his brain and renew it back to its previous non-controlled state. Something Mata Hari has no feats to get around (at least as far as I know anyway.)
 
"Weakest" Servant. They sure bring up the strong Servants.

And even if they ignore me, no one is still talking about Mata-Hari.

The guy who can casually change day to night, create full on clones of himself with Shikigami tech, can even affect Machines from a whole ass different Universe with Curses that can destroy them from the inside out, create a Tree of Emptiness equivalent, can create beings that can never die unless you can explicitly strike their Karma and took over 3 Divine Spirits and incorporated them into himself PERSONALLY... is the weakest Servant they can think of that can defeat that absolutely ass crew?

It should take no more than a glance at the shit Douman can do before you realize no... he is not close to the weakest.
 
I do like in that thread, they still act like "Can X bypass Infinity?" as if Servants have no way to bypass Infinity because far weaker characters in a different series can't without specialized weapons when Servants can bypass Bounded Fields as long as they aren't well-crafted and strong as shit(Always amazing people miss at the end of the day Bounded Fields are isolated pockets of space...)


I do think Nursery Rhyme (harr harr) is a genuine pick here, specifically if we are going off of Extra feats and abilities instead of whatever the hell FGO is giving her (aka, nothing.)

For someone who names himself after the character, NR has no goddamned idea that Nursery Rhyme still has her Noble Phantasms from Extra but they are explicitly sealed because they are too dangerous to use:

Nursery・Rhyme: A Tale for Somebody's Sake
Rank: C++
Class: Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Range: 0
Maximum number of Targets: one person

Nursery Rhyme.
The Servant's own ability is not the Reality Marble, but rather the Reality Marble itself is what transformed into a Servant.
It reflects the Master's mind like a mirror, and manifests itself as a Pseudo-Servant based on a shape that the Master dreamed of.
Originally, there is no specific name, but the genre of the picture book is 「nursery rhyme」.
Because the contents of the Marble reflects the Master's mind, it will be strongly influenced by the Master's favorite books 『Alice in Wonderland』 and 『Through the Looking-Glass』 that composes the thoughts of her mind. Aspects of the ability include the summoning of the monster 「Jabberwock」 and the 「The Playing Cards」 and fading a person's very existence itself starting with their ego with the 「Nameless Forest」, etc. These are all influenced by the picture books that Alice read with great delight during her lifetime.

And she summoned a Demon God Pillar at fucking random in an Event, I'm pretty sure that's not nothing...

As long as she has Queen's Glass Game and the Jabberwock active, she will definitely get the chance to use Nameless Forest, which would be the only way for her to take out Gojo and the others, but if it works, they'll cease to exist entirely due to them forgetting everything about themselves.
This, of course, assuming Nameless Forest wouldn't be overpowered by an open Domain, but I don't think it would since its nature is ambiguous.

Why... do they think... an Open Domain or a Domain Expansion would overpower a Reality Marble? Like can Spacebattles and JJK wankers think for 5 fucking seconds how stupid that concept is? A Domain Expansion is literal kid shit to a Reality Marble, why would it overpower something that literally has the user's Inner World spill forth into the Real World? When it explicitly has a limited range, can be broken from the inside and Reality Marbles explicitly dictate the laws of physics amongst everything else?

Without it, she cant't really win even if the assembled team presumably can't kill the Jabberwock (Unless, like, Mahoraga adapts so its sword is the Vorpal Sword, then its over), since she can't really stale them endlessly, especially when Sukuna can just cleave her from a mile away. Even with the time loop, it would mostly just be a loop of her dying and trying again. Since she certainly isn't beating them in speed, durability, or strength, thats for sure.

....
:forizzle

How can Mahoraga adapt something it would never hear about, something it doesn't know about and has never shown it can create a weakness from adapting?
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This just keeps being more and more relevant every day...
Sidenote, how can they defeat Nursery Rhyme's Endless Forest? Because he never actually explains why outside of "Open Domain" as if that means it can overwhelm a Reality Marble just by being there when... that's not how that works(Not to mention knowledge of that would be the first to go in the Nameless Forest). Not to mention, he acts like the Jabberwock is just something that's just a minor roadblock when in Extra?


Caster can summon the JabberwockWP (ジャバウォック, Jabawokku?), a being she calls a "friend" that is greater in power than Servants. It is initially believed to be the Berserker-class Servant of Alice, and it has an overwhelming presence. It uses a skill called Alice Eater (ありすイーター, Arisu Ītā?) to temporarily strengthen itself.
Fate/EXTRA Manga, it was shown that while Saber and Lancer could damage the Jabberwocky, it simply regenerated from its injuries, even restoring its decapitated head with no issue.

Yeah no, good luck with that...

Nursery Rhyme basically can only win if Nameless Forest works, otherwise she can't. But if it does work, she'd definitely be in the running for the weakest servant, if only because FGO is allergic to giving her feats of any kind so she looks rather pathetic in comparison to most everyone else.

I swear NR just can't stop with his downplay of the series he wants to lose because none of this makes sense at all whatsoever...
They also have no idea of how to break it either(Which is simple but also not something you would think of going in) so how would they break it? If you could easily overpower the Nameless Forest, any Servant can do it which speaks volumes for the wank happening here.
 
@Salfarc @LeonLex

Whoever's saying Gojo is passively destroying and recreating his brain to keep it "fresh" is lying.

Gojo passively uses RCT to keep his brain "fresh" doesn't mean he's destroying it or anything.

Because Gojo actually does destroy and recreate part of his brain and shows massive limits with it.

During the battle with Sukuna when his domain breaks, he's left at the mercy of Sukuna's domain due to CT cool down, meaning he cannot use his technique for some time, however Gojo finds a way to negate this weakness by destroying and recreating his prefrontal cortex (where CT's are etched).

But this isn't perfect. After three times his nose starts bleeding and after doing it a fifth time and trying to open his domain he basically gets a massive dose of brain damage and is unable to use his domain for the rest of the fight, due to the fact that he couldnt perfectly heal his brain. Despite his experience using RCT on his brain.


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Literally the only reason Sukuna didn't kill him with his domain at this point was because UV also gave him brain damage.


If Mata Hari's mind control is so powerful that he needs to destroy and recreate his brain to resist it, he can only do it five times.
 
Btw how does Maya Hari's mind control work? Is it like Cursed Speech?

No, it's not like Cursed Speech:

Mata Hari (Eye of the Day). The realization of the legend called ‘Mata Hari‘; a brainwashing Noble Phantasm. By means of a bewitching dance, Mata Hari forcibly paralyzes people’s trains of thoughts. Ordinary people and Masters are a matter of course, but Servants who do not have Mental Resistance Skills and are not under Madness Enhancement also fall under this Noble Phantasm’s effects, regardless of their gender. Those who failed at their check will basically be Mata Hari’s puppets.

The effects last until the sun rises. However, because evidence of this Noble Phantasm being employed are not left behind, it can even be repeatedly used on the very same person. Also, in the case that a person failed at their check even once, they will bear a handicap on those checks the next time and thereafter.

In Ooku, she's able to brainwash the Protagonist to actually suffer the effects of being drunk without even drinking a single drop of alcohol and to get a Soul to fully believe it is the Ooku itself to defeat Kama(long story for that one).
It's alot more messed up than people take credit for and yeah, Alkamus is acting as of RCT is the equivalent of using Chakra to dispel a Genjutsu technique which is not how Mata Hari's NP works.
 

What feats and scaling are being used for Karna?

Are we going the highest end for Servants(relatavistic+Mountain busting Mana Burst)? Or are we saying it's a little lower?
What are you using for Ulquiorra?
Just settle this before it becomes 4 pages debating statements vs feats
Huanglong say something, depending on the scaling you pick, the winner will be extremely easy to agree on

Really speaks volumes that this is how certain types of matches work on Spacebattles... Which feats and statements can we use for Fate? or Bleach? We don't know who wins without either.

It's legit laughable really.


No, this is wrong. Her skill stops working when she starts attacking, so the sorcerers will simply sense her trying to use her Noble Phantasm and kill her before she properly activates it.

Hell, Sukuna would probably just kill Mata Hari for fun anyway.

I really do like how we still have people just making shit up and then going "they will simply sense her and attack her" as if every Servant cannot react to their opponent but the other side absolutely can and will do so as if it's a Turn Based Battle System.
Again, literal fan-fiction trying to pretend that it's an actual debate. Newsflash, if they sensed that she was "attacking them with her Noble Phantasm", they would be locked in because her Noble Phantasm is her dancing! And Mata Hari can also sense killing instinct too which is why she won't do something so stupid.

Finally, if Sukuna will just "kill Mata Hari for fun", why the hell won't he kill his teammates then considering that's how her Espionage skill works? None of this makes sense!

Masters don't have nearly as much Mana as people like Sukuna and Gojo, and not even all Servants have as much magical energy as someone like Sukuna

Yes, most Masters actually tend to do so, hell, most tend to have even more than they do considering how much Magical Energy Tanks Servants are(Especially Berserkers). Kariya took days even with Zouken giving him Crest Worms with Magical Energy to die despite Berserker Lancelot being an absolute Mana Guzzler and Zouken intentionally wanting him to die just so her can suffer and break Sakura at once.
Rin explicitly can fill Saber's obscene Magical energy deficient just by being her Master and Kiritsugu only didn't do so due to how estranged her is to Saber. No other Servants we've seen in F/Z has that problem outside of Waver and Iskandar explicitly has far more than enough Magical Energy to do shit for days including invoking his Reality Marble until Waver slept on a Leyline for his fight with Gilgamesh. Hell, if Masters was so weak, then Medea wouldn't have enough Magical Energy to support 3 Servants at once using around 10,000 ordinary people as Masters and the story basically states she has virtually limitless amounts of Magical Energy due to that.

Between this and Neb bringing in the consistently incorrect "Servants cannot destroy Planets" that was dismissed in the same chapter and given the reason why(Which wouldn't apply to any other Planet), this thread is just bringing in the laughs and the stupidity.
 
Why people puts Mahoraha and Toji that high in vs ? both in anime and manga are at most CB+ . But still i saw some vs like agaisnt Naruto or Servants.
 
. CharacterRant The most trash on the planet


It's CharacterRant for one, don't expect much from there(Not that many people even visit it) and for two, most are primarily bringing up the Multiversal/Outerversal shit otherwise which is genuine wank more often than not. Everything else tends to just be people sticking to statements more often than not when you can disprove it easily with Manga or Anime takes of the situations at large.
 
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