Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Doronbo_Shirake]

Yes that too, you basically have to wipe Ghost Game from existence entirely to even pretend Digimon aren't even above city level when this series makes pretty much every Ultimate/Mega level Digimon UNIVERSAL AT MINIMUM.

or wipe this moment:


Mega Kabuterimon blowing up a planet.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

or wipe this moment:


Mega Kabuterimon blowing up a planet.

I actually forgot that happened lol.

 

[Doronbo_Shirake]

I actually forgot that happened lol.

Me too! Also, I remembered that Myotismon stopped the attack in the last battle. Also, he played with Mega Kabuterimon.

Myotismon in this battle is stronger, since he had troubles with Garudamon's attack in his first battle. He had to stop it with the bats. Here, he moves a hand and turns the attacks into data.

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

i dont get why people then go make blanket statements about something they don't know

but mainly, I'm confused why people in this hobby lowball it. Even VSB has it several tiers below where it should fit on their system

Because people like sounding knowledgeable but don't actually care about being right :zaru

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sukuna-vs-touma.1138219/post-97998925

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sukuna-vs-touma.1138219/post-98006557

That's not true- Sukuna far surpasses Touma when it comes to strength so any blow that lands on him would be an instant defeat for Touma since he's only as strong as a normal human. Granted, the speed is equalized which means there's a decent chance that Touma could also instantly defeat Sukuna by touching him with Imagine Breaker first. The catch here is that they are not in touching distance with each other since the starting gap is twenty meters.

I don't know. I'd argue that he read Othinus during that fight instead of her magic, the person he's spent more than a thousand years with instead of the powers she's going to use. Her subconscious movements, way of thinking, and her natural ticks probably gave Touma enough cues to somewhat understand what she was going to do next even if her tricks had completely changed at that point. Moreover, it's been shown that supernatural environments somehow do empower Touma.

Not to say that this makes his clash against Othinus any less impressive, but the entire fight was such a massive outlier that there had to be something else empowering him. The dude was dancing around MFTL arrows capable of ignoring the concept of numbers and dimensions despite supposedly being a normal human.

Of all people why the fuck is Darth saying Touma's a normal guy

 

[Adamant soul]

Me too! Also, I remembered that Myotismon stopped the attack in the last battle. Also, he played with Mega Kabuterimon.

Myotismon in this battle is stronger, since he had troubles with Garudamon's attack in his first battle. He had to stop it with the bats. Here, he moves a hand and turns the attacks into data.

I mean he didn't really have TROUBLE, the bats did stop it easily enough and the kids HAD to use the time to run like buggery. In the encounter with MetalGreymon the night before this, he stopped his attack just as easily as he was doing there with no fog.

Even in the WereGarurumon fight he was stomping him casually until Angemon showed up, same guy whose attack he couldn't stop here either

All that to say there isn't REALLY any evidence of him being significantly stronger in this fight than in any other. At least not in the anime.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-servants-that-can-beat-this-jjk-team.1137781/page-5?post=98007532#post-98007532

Sukuna is that big an ass**** that he'd freely nuke his own team if it would grant him the win, with only Gogo surviving.

How are these people not putting 2 and 2 together and not realizing that they are completely contradicting their own point?! The issue as a whole isn't that "Why can't they kill Mata Hari if her Espionage Skill means they won't see her as an enemy unless she outs herself" and more "If Sukuna will randomly kill Mata Hari despite her Espionage Skill as it's within Sukuna's character, why won't that be the case in all of the battles that Sukuna won't freely kill his teammates like he would canonically?"

Like they literally cannot understand this simple question and why having Sukuna in a group of people who can't stand each other or wants to kill each other... would most likely try and kill each other first go after the Servant? Especially if we are going with Sukuna being the strongest person in the JJK side and needing to rely on him for wins(Fat Chance though), why would he give a fuck about his weaker Teammates? Why won't Malevolent Shrine affect them nor would Unlimited Void?

Like they have the rules be "They have Perfect Teamwork" which doesn't gel with Sukuna being able to randomly kill off a teammate for no reason, especially a Teammate no one would know unless she somehow rats her own self out(They act like Noble Phantasms take forever to charge but they don't, especially in Mata Hari's case) or stupidly does an attack before she needs to...
Espionage: A++

This Skill does not conceal one’s presence, but rather makes their very presence not feel like that of an opponent’s. It causes misunderstandings such as one being a familiar neighbour, a harmless pebble, a beloved person, and so forth.

Since it is at A++, as long as there is no indictment from her current ally faction, it is impossible to perceive any hostility from Mata Hari. But the moment she starts to attack directly, this Skill loses its effects.

Sukuna shouldn't even see her as anything less but similar to his relationship to Urame so it's just more blatant fanfiction(which makes it easier to get him alone, use her NP and boom, the JJK side is done.)

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sukuna-vs-touma.1138219/post-98007073

3. Sukuna's overwhelming strength means that he grabs the guy and eats him alive. Quite literally. Sukuna sees him try to grab him and he tears his arm off at the shoulder.

Yeah, just ask Fiamma how that ended up working out for him

 

[Masterblack06]

Yhwach gets decked in the fucking head and explodes instantly

 

[Adamant soul]

Yhwach gets decked in the fucking head and explodes instantly

Mustache looking through every possible future of a fight with Masaru..only to find they all end with him eating a knuckle sandwich.

 

[Masterblack06]

Mustache looking through every possible future of a fight with Masaru..only to find they all end with him eating a knuckle sandwich.

replace argomon mega with yhwach

 

[King]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/lille-bleach-vs-carissa-toaru.1138261/ @Paxton

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/gojo-vs-touma.1138339/post-98013409

Gojo has 20cm and 20-30kg on Touma - most of that being muscle mass. He kinda out boxes him tbh. Even turning off CE.

He thinks muscle mass matters in a fight between fictional characters

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/gojo-vs-touma.1138339/post-98014603

Yeah Gojo isn't winning with his Cursed Techniques or Domain. Touma's just too bullshit against supernatural attacks so they'll just dodged or negated by Imagine Breaker. Gojo wins via going for melee and beating Touma with his superior strength and skill.

I'll mention it again, but Touma withstands Misaka's attacks on multiple occasions, as demonstrated in this fairly comprehensive list of durability feats someone posted in a Nazarick thread.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/touma-misaka-and-accelarator-toaru-vs-nazerik-overlord.1021647/post-85051314

So Mr. "Nah, I'd win" does not in fact win when he tries to go into melee.

(And honestly the average magician in To Aru (as in the people Touma "consistently" fights and withstands their attacks) have greater firepower than anything in JJK, given that they also downscale from Saints much like Misaka, but that's besides the point)

 

[King]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/kevin-kaslana-honkai-impact-3rd-vs-fate-strange-fake-servants.1123547/

In this one they are downplaying Kevin alot to only continental level..... normal Kevin at 1% of his full power is stronger than Durandal , a character that uses a whole solar system to power her suit. Now the Kevin in this vs is not only in his full but also with 2 power ups .
Nothing in Strange Fake can beat him , the dude is LB King Zeus tier.

Kevin solar system wtf

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/dark-sakura-vs-ryomen-sukuna.1134274/page-2?post=98012767#post-98012767

Well can she heal? He still did Higuruma bad lol.

If you watched Heaven's Feel, you can easily see that she heals off the damage near instantenously:



Seriously, if people never watched or seen Fate, why do they keep acting like they believe it's that much weaker than JJK's best unless "You go Extra or FGO!" when that's not even remotely true?

He cut off his arms and forced him to heal. When higu thought he caught Sukuna he literally cut off his hand. Then he proceeded to use what i think is cleave since he touched him but it could be dismantle to cube his chest. Sure he played around but he also knew this dude was vastly weaker but had good hax. He also had knowledge that higu had good hax via watching through Yuji, he doesn't know this person at all why would he play around? Sukuna is the same person who two shot Ryu just because.

So you know he explicitly played with Higurama because he knew he had more potential than Gojo atleast in RCT usage... but he won't play around with Sakura, who can heal even faster than him amongst having an absolutely enormous level of Magical Energy AND is literally wearing The Shadow as a dress?(It's insane how SB continues to miss this huge detail despite again the entire climax of HF Part 2 is literally the Shadow coalescing over Sakura and being what she is literally wearing:

This is NOT a Dress, it's literal Grail Mud from the Shadow.

Edit: looked at the Wikia, she can heal but I'm not seeing what's her amazing hax that'll have Sukuna in awe to look at it.

• Uses a whole ass different set of Magical Powers than he has ever seen before
• Can casually teleport in a whole ass different way than Gojo can do
• Can regenerate to a degree not even Higurama amped up on amphetamines can remotely accomplish.
• Can casually spill out Grail Mud(Love how someone lied like she can't do it even when she literally does) on top of having an absolutely insane level of Magical Energy:

Here, Sakura accepts the Shadow/Angra Mainyu and completes her transformation as Grail Mud spills forth from her core increasing her power. Here, Sakura is superior to Illya as a Holy Grail. Here, Sakura's magical energy capacity is effectively infinite, over 100 million, compared to Rin's 300. Here, by both controlling the Shadow and Artoria Alter, not even a Servant would be a match for the now monsterous magus Sakura Matou.

- Can create a copy of herself:

Here, Dark Sakura could crush the Emiya House if she so wanted to. Here, this is only a copy of Sakura as the real Sakura awaits under Ryuudo Temple.

- Can use said Shadow to effectively attack people or protect herself in AOE situations and can absorb energy from others(Most likely through contact from her or her Shadow:

Here, Sakura covers the Emiya home yard with Grail Mud Shadow. Here, Sakura fires a shadow at Rin with magical energy far surpassing Rin's own. Here, Rin dodges, the fired shadow is on the same level as the black Shadow, even touching Rin spells the end. Here, if Rin is swallowed by the Grail Mud even Servants can't escape, Rin will be swallowed without hope of resistance. Here, these fired shadows aren't from the black Shadow, but are the magecraft of Sakura. Here, how the rest of the fight plays out in Rin's defeat. Here, Rin is engulfed by the Shadow. Here, Sakura absorbs all of Rin's magical energy.

- Or... these Shadow Giants which she can casually create in the hundreds:

Here, Sakura conjures numerous Giant Shadows that embody the magecraft of absorption, they're all equal in power to the Noble Phantasm of Servants.

I wonder why Sukuna would not at all find her someone to play around with and not try and "immediately kill".

Real talk, this is why Spacebattles is a farce, if they done the slightest bit of research and didn't wank Sukuna's ass in half, they would know Dark Sakura would murder this bozo in seconds, hell fuck it, the easiest things to point how wrong they are... is to simply go with Fate/Unlimited Codes:



And you can't even deny it either as Unlimited Codes is also canon as well and even displays in her moveset what we see and know from what the narration told us.

 

[Paxton]

Gil refusing to kneel even after losing a leg in that scene with Sakura is fucking great lmao

 

[seth]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sukuna-jjk-vs-heian-period-servants-fate.1138297/

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/sukuna-jjk-vs-heian-period-servants-fate.1138297/

1) Benkei
2) Kiyohime
3) Tomoe
4) Ushiwakamaru
5) Tamamo
6) Ibaraki
7) Kintoki
8) Ashiya Doman
9) Shuten
10) Raikou

...None of this is any different for Sukuna, the fuck?! There's no one he beats, not even Kiyohime as we get explicit proof she becomes a Dragon using her NP.

Why would this matter in the slightest?

Where does it state in the OP that Sukuna is being registered as a Demon?

... Imaginary, if you want to stop coming off like you are being retarded, stop saying stupid shit like this...
In the Nasuverse, Demonic is a misnomer due to not exactly translation/localization errors but a simple misunderstanding of what Demonic is supposed to mean in Japanese(Kinda like how Youkai can mean Demon in English despite that not being true and they are closer to the English Fae). In Japanese, Demonic is actually closer to Magical Beasts which is why in FGO, you have things like these:

Demonic

fategrandorder.fandom.com

So Sukuna would absolutely count as a Demonic which is the whole point.

If we were going off of raw narrative role and actual historical relevance, I'd say Sukuna could definitely fight everyone here and either sweep them or brawl on equal footing if he was in Nasuland.

Sigh That's not how that works in the Nasuverse, can people seriously stop lying? Sukuna would only have historical relevance if he's actually well-known and existed back then and even then, only if you have the power and ability for that to matter. Sukuna wouldn't be strong because "He existed 1000 years ago" because that's not the case for Murasaki Shikibu, Sei Shonagon or the others who existed before them who are just in the barest of minimums. You need to be powerful and strong on top of that to genuinely matter.

But, going by feats (especially the mangas which are now being included here), he stops at Kintoki at best since GOLDEN should be relative to bullshit like Hektor and Fergus flattening plateaus. Even if I think S T R O N G cleave would work on everyone, including all feats off the cuff means Sukuna is too slow and too weak in comparison to do anything more than get one shot at a certain point, which I believe is Kintoki and up.

He would die at Benkei because Benkei is capable of killing Lahmu that not even the enhanced humans in Babylonia with Noble Phantasm support can't hurt.

I am serious on the narrative role part though, considering Sukuna was seen as the strongest of the Heian era for a damn good reason considering he literally murdered everyone else who tried to oppose him. He'd be absolutely stacked if he was a servant. (Which isn't relevant for the thread, of course.)

Someone wanna be the bearer of bad news and tell them he would die to the no-name Genji Samurai that have been shown to easily kill the bullshit Youkai that existed in the Heian Era? Because Heian-Kyo is literally an exercise in seeing how absolutely bullshit Heian-Era beings are, let alone the named ones, Sukuna wouldn't get that benefit if he was plopped into the Nasuverse nor would anyone else for that matter.

 

[Proto234]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/all-nasuverse-men-vs-all-nasuverse-women.1138360/

Excluded (for balance): Servantverse, any Types including Gaia and Alaya, all three Shiki Ryougi personalities (both to not deal with Void Shiki and because of her male and female personalities)

Yeah, maybe also exclude the beasts, Sefar and LB Kings (Morgan and Kuku) as well since they made this to be stomp for the females. And probably also exclude grands as well. Void Shiki is honestly least of problem.Just saying