Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

Xhominid The Apex · Apr 12, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-nasu-character-that-can-beat-ichigo-bleach.1156057/page-3?post=100493218#post-100493218

Same was said about Kototsu and look how it worked out for it.

When in the hell is that on the same level as the Mystic Eye of Death Perception?! If I try and get past the terrible naming, then that's most likely Shunsui's Bankai right? Because that doesn't have anything close to what MEoDP does or how it operates.

MEoDP would work on Ichigo, no doubt about that, but the unified language is nearly featless and the guy using it is flat tout stated to be unable to use it in combat in any way.

Uh, The Root is The Akashic Records of the Nasuverse and even remotely getting near it is the reason why the True Magics even exist...
The Root is featless but let's not pretend that it ceases to matter against someone who very obviously has an expiration date on living.

Ehh, not really? Ichigo is prone to disregarding enemy mooks that get in his way, but that isn't really a problem here. To kill Shiki or random mage with exotic ability, he doesn't need to try, just flexing his reiatsu will hit them with force of bunker buster to the face.

Yeah because Ichigo does that all the time... oh wait.

King of time · Apr 12, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/adaptation-mahoraga-vs-adaptation-tatsumi-vs-god-hand-berserker.1156351/.

King of time · Apr 12, 2024

God Hand is easily the worst of these powerwise, however, it is the only one that actually gives extra lives to work with, 12 as a whole, which gives it a very unique advantage since that is definitely not something the other two afford (even if they can reach points of basically immortal.)

god hand allows you to defend against two planet-destroying lasers,The remaining two things look like mosquito bites

Adamant soul · Apr 12, 2024

Darth Vader vs Yoda

In the canon disney verse, whichever that one is now so films right? Prime Vader at his most powerful V ROTS Yoda Who wins in a duel?

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Fused said:
Full Power Rey pegs both of these clowns.

HAHAHAHA OF COURSE Fused is a sequel stan.
Somehow that doesn't surprise me at all.

Paxton · Apr 12, 2024

King of time said:
god hand allows you to defend against two planet-destroying lasers,The remaining two things look like mosquito bites

But.. that's just Herc's natural strength.

That's not relevant to the actual effectiveness of God Hand as an ability on it's own.

CrossTheHorizon · Apr 12, 2024

Paxton said:
But.. that's just Herc's natural strength.

That's not relevant to the actual effectiveness of God Hand as an ability on it's own.

Well, blocking the laser from Artemis also involved the other part of God Hand where it burned all of his lives in the first shot and killed him in the second.

That said, the twelve lives thing is arguably less impressive in most cases than the arbitrary "must be this Rank to deal damage" thing (which is admittedly completely unquantifiable out of universe)

Xhominid The Apex · Apr 12, 2024

King of time said:
ok pax what the fuck is this

Paxton not being wrong? In Okeanos, Artemis outright states due to her Authority, she can wipe out God Hand entirely in one to two shots(Something she couldn't do as being in Orion's Spirit Container nerfs her harder than if she was just a normal Divided Spirit), Heracles needing 2 shots to be killed regardless of how many defenses he was given by undescript Casters we barely see(And the ones we do see is just 3 Casters and one being of any true worth in helping out Heracles).

None of it is a strength feat or a durability feat.

BUT...

King of time said:
god hand allows you to defend against two planet-destroying lasers,The remaining two things look like mosquito bites

Why do people pretend God Hand has the worst Adaptation? Mahoraga's Adaptation is outright trash and it's more of his own regen(And even that is wanked out the ass) that makes it actually be decent and Tatsumi's Adaptation only existed for one explicit point and that was against Esdeath's Time Freeze which only worked because it was done with her ice abilities...

Neither of those is better than God Hand's Adaptation which works the second you hit Heracles with the weapon, whether or not if it works, kills him or just scratches him.

Xhominid The Apex · Apr 12, 2024

CrossTheHorizon said:
Well, blocking the laser from Artemis also involved the other part of God Hand where it burned all of his lives in the first shot and killed him in the second.

That said, the twelve lives thing is arguably less impressive in most cases than the arbitrary "must be this Rank to deal damage" thing (which is admittedly completely unquantifiable out of universe)

The funny part is that while the Rank shit is completely unquantifiable outside of the Nasuverse, Heracles' own durability isn't for obvious reasons...
And there's no way anyone in the series SB loves to say he gets mollywhooped from would realistically do anything to him.

Xhominid The Apex · Apr 12, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/adaptation-mahoraga-vs-adaptation-tatsumi-vs-god-hand-berserker.1156351/?post=100501033#post-100501033

This is not true whatsoever:

Despite having slowed down due to massive blood loss, Incursio adapted to compensate for Tatsumi's lost speed by increasing his speed.

An already weakened Tatsumi subdues an explosion with his body, is stabbed by a giant sword and then punched by mech larger than mountains and admits to dying; however, Tatsumi stands up completely fine. Tatsumi is stronger, faster, more durable, developed regeneration, and grew wings simply because of this interaction.

Incursio amplified Tatsumi's stats in the middle of fighting Esdeath to the point where he went from being overwhelmed to being too fast for her to track and fighting her evenly.

Same fight: and earlier: Incursio amplified Tatsumi's stats once again in the middle of a fight with Esdeath when he was being overwhelmed to a point where he now had the upper-hand in the fight.

At Stage 3 Tatsumi is constantly evolving and adapting his physicals each second.

There's a reason Tatsumi has Stage 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. He's constantly adapting and evolving each interaction with an opponent to be faster, stronger, and more durable than his opponents. Each Stage was a massive power-up and each stage had their own evolutions and adaptions to be stronger already with Stage 2 and 3 showing multiple strength amplifications.

Man, this is why Spacebattle Arguments are such trash... because this dude is using shit out of context without realizing none of this is how Tatsumi's Incursio operates in the fashion they are bringing it up...

For instance, Tatsumi's Incursio does give him on demand strength, speed and durability if he wants it... HOWEVER, it only does it in small increments unless Tatsumi literally overclocks the Teigu in the process(There's a damn good reason he didn't match and defeat Esdeath the instant he got Incursio...) which is how he reached the latter stages of Incursio's mode(while ultimately becoming a Dragon that lost it's Humanity until Akame was luckily able to stop his rampage).

So in the most simple fashion possible, all of this is literally just acting like this is some simple A-B-C deal of Adaptation Tatsumi can and always have access too when it's not even close and it's something he has to constantly force that ultimately changes him INTO Incursio, the Danger Beast.

Paxton · Apr 12, 2024

King of time · Apr 12, 2024

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-white-queen-vs-honkai-impact-verse.30109/.

King of time · Apr 12, 2024

Of the feats I listed, I'd guess that the "universe level" bracket starts with the Current Era's Herrscher of Dominance, which is much weaker than characters like Mei (Herrscher of Thunder), Kiana ( Herrscher of Flamescion) and Durandal (Platinus Equinox). Mei, before her current round of training, refused the Herrscher of Dominance's attempt to "steal" the Herrscher power because it was too weak to do so, and this version of Mei is much weaker than some characters. Other, most notable are the 13 Flames -Hunters, who have rank in their ranks. So there are a few levels above Herrscher of Dominance, so the White Queen may be at a disadvantage there.

I object to universe Herrscher

Cryso Agori · Apr 12, 2024

Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 8: The Shadow knows

Sully already did that for all of us. He showed us that Klosterheim can use any weapon to hurt Eternal Champions. That is evidence in of itself that it's unusual. Not my fault he didn't know who or what Klosterheim was. No, he didn't. Since in this very post? You did exactly what I said you...

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and nearly dies to normal humans

How is this an anti-feat when they are multiple cites talking about how normal ass people are capable of warping reality and straight up creating universes with dreams?

seth · Apr 12, 2024

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/destiny-feats-thread.311141/page-54?post=100505146#post-100505146

MJ12 being a dumbass, destiny guardians can`t be fast according do him because of muh they use guns

Salfarc · Apr 13, 2024

Xhominid The Apex said:
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-nasu-character-that-can-beat-ichigo-bleach.1156057/page-3?post=100493218#post-100493218

When in the hell is that on the same level as the Mystic Eye of Death Perception?! If I try and get past the terrible naming, then that's most likely Shunsui's Bankai right? Because that doesn't have anything close to what MEoDP does or how it operates.

Uh, The Root is The Akashic Records of the Nasuverse and even remotely getting near it is the reason why the True Magics even exist...
The Root is featless but let's not pretend that it ceases to matter against someone who very obviously has an expiration date on living.

Yeah because Ichigo does that all the time... oh wait.

Mata-Hari walks to Ichigo and told him to kill himself or something. Finished.

Xhominid The Apex · Apr 13, 2024

Salfarc said:
Mata-Hari walks to Ichigo and told him to kill himself or something. Finished.

If you want to be completely real, there's also Cursed Arm Hassan or Serenity or No Name Hassan if you want to go that route. There are plenty of "weak Servants" that can defeat Ichigo because at the end of the day, most of their Noble Phantasms aren't based on strength but concepts, something Bleach is horribly weak against even on it's best days.

Salfarc · Apr 13, 2024

Xhominid The Apex said:
If you want to be completely real, there's also Cursed Arm Hassan or Serenity or No Name Hassan if you want to go that route. There are plenty of "weak Servants" that can defeat Ichigo because at the end of the day, most of their Noble Phantasms aren't based on strength but concepts, something Bleach is horribly weak against even on it's best days.

I mean, it said weakest. I'd argue Mata Hari are weaker than those Hassan. Like, if not because Ichigo are a literal chimera, I would say even Angra Mainyu. But he is abomination mix of race so...

Xhominid The Apex · Apr 13, 2024

Salfarc said:
I mean, it said weakest. I'd argue Mata Hari are weaker than those Hassan. Like, if not because Ichigo are a literal chimera, I would say even Angra Mainyu. But he is abomination mix of race so...

Actually, Angra Mainyu can do it due to his skill that temporarily puts him onpar with Artoria stats wise so there you go.

Salfarc · Apr 13, 2024

Xhominid The Apex said:
Actually, Angra Mainyu can do it due to his skill that temporarily puts him onpar with Artoria stats wise so there you go.

Bleach Ditto pokemon incarnate losing to the weakest Servant in existence? You'd trigger so many people from this.

Xhominid The Apex · Apr 13, 2024

Salfarc said:
Bleach Ditto pokemon incarnate losing to the weakest Servant in existence? You'd trigger so many people from this.

Hey, Nasu is the one who wrote the scene of Angra Mainyu reaching Artoria's ballpark in speed and strength:

Here, Artoria and Angra Mainyu continue clashing. Angra Mainyu keeps getting faster, surpassing his own limits as he does so. Angra Mainyu's using his skill Murderous Intent/Extinguishing Desire. Here, all the same, Artoria continues to throw his strikes aside. Here, Angra Mainyu's Murderous Intent/Extinguishing Desire has increased his speed 100 fold since the fight began to try and match Artoria's own strikes (to no actual avail). Here, Artoria was only on the defensive to figure out what the fuck Angra Mainyu's plan was, wary of Noble Phantasm due to sheer disparity in stats. When she sees he's got no trump card evident, she begins her counterattack. Here, Angra Mainyu w/Murderous Intent/Extinguishing Desire catches Artoria's slash between his sword breaking knives to break Excalibur.

and if all else fails, there's still Verg Avesta to take Ichigo with him.
SB can bitch all they want, Angra Mainyu owns his ass because the biggest issue with Ichigo(and most of Bleach in particular) is that they are ALL Stat Sticks with only various gimmicks making them seem more impressive than they are.
If you give them a JoJo-Tier opponent and make them be just as strong and just as fast, you'd be surprised how quickly the verse falls against characters like them... because Tsukishima is technically the only true conceptual character in the franchise.

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