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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Why the hell are people acting as if to defeat Edward Cullen, you need to defeat a Gojo-calibur opponent? Because... no... hell no is Edward that strong :skully
From what I've heard, you don't even need to look any further than other movie vampires to find characters that an fuck up Edward, never mind going into shounen manga.

Most Monsters of The Week in Rosario + Vampire could take them. :kobeha
 

Oh, yeah, this is true. Great find.

However... even though it took time to fully adapt to Red, Mahoraga is still adapting, and is only slightly injured after taking a point blank Red - just from one prior exposure, and an indirect exposure at that.

So, while Red was low priority, we still see that Mahoraga's adaptation is blazing fast, despite only having been exposed to it once.

My point is that one exposure to RCT should have been enough for the adaptation process to begin, so when Gojo was slashed again, it would have been noted that his RCT was slowing down, or something. But no, we see him easily pop out a new arm in 235 with no issues.

Same with Black Flash. It wasn't noted to be a priority, but a single exposure to Black Flash in 231 was enough for Gojo's subsequent Black Flashes to be shrugged off by Mahoraga in 235.

The same should have happened with RCT.

>The Pics the person uses themselves:
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Definition of Gradation:
a series forming successive stages, a step or place in an ordered scale ; an advance by regular degrees

They do realize that their points don't really work in the favor of how they are using Mahoraga's Adaptation right?
Like they are acting like Mahoraga adapts to everything he does when that's never been stated or shown at all, like why pretend Mahoraga can adapt to RCT usage when it never did that?
Now am I saying this user is saying these things? No, but it's weird that people are vastly using the wrong shit to go "Well he can adapt to that" when it's not shown he can adapt to that.

We can't say he can adapt to Muzan's blood because nothing has shown he can do that level of adaptation regardless of what the anime shows(Hell, it's stupid as shit for a Cursed Spirit to need GILLS to BREATHE UNDERWATER) because the anime itself is a massive ass trainwreck when it comes to the general animation issues as a whole outside of looking fluid(damn near Naruto vs. Pain levels).
 

Mahoraga grew gills in response to being submerged in water. There's no reason to assume it can't develop biological countermeasures.
Stating this in spite of the fact we are never told or shown Mahoraga, a shikigami, possesses anything remotely similar to cells or organic structures is kinda silly.
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>Mahoraga can adapt to grow gills
>How can you believe Mahoraga as a Shikigami can have anything similar to cells or organic structure
>Still adapted to grow gills

Someone fetch this dude a goddamned biology book as I fully believe this dude believes that fish are not organic beings that have cells...
 
Raiku cannot see Sukuna cleaver nor does she have a defensive NP to walk through it so Sukana wins

As soon as you pit Sukuna against a servant that can see or ignore cleave, Sukuna is dead
do people not realize that the idea that servants wouldn't be able to deal with invisibility is literally setting breakings levels of dumb? in Mahoyo concealment magecraft is introduced which is just straight up invisibility and is apparently considered "elementary magecraft".

Point is that if servants can't deal with invisibility why didn't Madea cast it on Kuzuki? or why didn't Kayneth cast it on Diarmuid? I'm sure there are other/better examples but you get the point.

there's also a ability very similar to cleave in the nasuverse in the form of Fortes magecraft which servants haven't interacted with but there is no way in hell they would struggle against it.

like that's just from the top of my head... sometimes SB literally causes me headaches...
 
do people not realize that the idea that servants wouldn't be able to deal with invisibility is literally setting breakings levels of dumb?
It actually depends on the potency of the Invisibility and its nature and the skills that a Servant has to see through it.


We've had example of Servants having to deal with invisible foes and whilst they didn't get offed by people because they weren't able to sense them for example, they weren't having an easy go of it either.


Going back to potency, Concealment Magecraft is elementary magecraft, but something like a high rank Presence Concealment ?

That shit is another league completely .
 
It actually depends on the potency of the Invisibility and its nature and the skills that a Servant has to see through it.


We've had example of Servants having to deal with invisible foes and whilst they didn't get offed by people because they weren't able to sense them for example, they weren't having an easy go of it either.


Going back to potency, Concealment Magecraft is elementary magecraft, but something like a high rank Presence Concealment ?

That shit is another league completely .
I mean I wasn't claiming that they would be able to see through it.. just that they could deal with It (probably via sensing intentions in the same vein as Kirei, Shirou, and Shiki do).

and yeah I'm aware that the nasuverse has different potencies of invisibility (Li Shuwen's bs comes to mind) but I'm pretty sure cleave is just baseline anyway so I didn't bother mentioning it in my original post.

on a side note has presence concealment ever been straight up referred to as invisibility? cuz from what I recall it's always been treated as freakishly good stealth... tho tbf at a certain point stealth just becomes invisibility in fiction lol.
 
I mean I wasn't claiming that they would be able to see through it.. just that they could deal with It (probably via sensing intentions in the same vein as Kirei, Shirou, and Shiki do).
That's the thing tho, there are instances where they could do just that based on the abilities they have, but it shouldn't be treated as a baseline.

Cause not everyone has Instinct like Artoria or Mordred do for example.

and yeah I'm aware that the nasuverse has different potencies of invisibility
Not just the Nasuverse. Fiction in general.

on a side note has presence concealment ever been straight up referred to as invisibility? cuz from what I recall it's always been treated as freakishly good stealth... tho tbf at a certain point stealth just becomes invisibility in fiction lol.
Not literally, but from a certain point, it becomes pointless semantics. Like if you're good enough that your opponent can't sense you when you're a few feet away from him then...what does it matter what it's called ? The effect is literally the same.
 
That's the thing tho, there are instances where they could do just that based on the abilities they have, but it shouldn't be treated as a baseline.

Cause not everyone has Instinct like Artoria or Mordred do for example.
fair I guess I'm generally against characters getting abilities that they themselves haven't performed and I shouldn't be a hypocrite here.

also I'm pretty sure this isn't your intention but it sounds like you're implying Artoria Instinct = Shiki/Shirou/Kire precog(or whatever I should call it) which feels so wrong lmao.
Not just the Nasuverse. Fiction in general.
I'm aware I just phrased that poorly (in my defense I haven't slept for like 21 hours).
Not literally, but from a certain point, it becomes pointless semantics. Like if you're good enough that your opponent can't sense you when you're a few feet away from him then...what does it matter what it's called ? The effect is literally the same.
yeah it's just arguing schematics at that point.

anyway I should probably head to bed now.
 



Seriously, why are people continuing to use animation as if it's worth a damn on it's own? Mahoraga threw 20 cars extremely fast yet we know that the studio had major issues even animating the fight itself due to the staff being irate. And again, that's not really a major feat that would "Splatter Salter" if she survived a TNR Belleophron to the face and protracted for seconds.

It seems people keep focusing on just Salter vs. Heracles despite Salter vs. Medusa also exists.

The VN and the anime/movies of it are the 'tamest' adaptions while also being super strong in their own right.

Could have fooled the fuck out of me with how hard you guys downplay the lot of them despite having very obvious ridiculous feats even for that stature if you actually stopped and looked at it.

People don't use anyone from Apocrypha for JJK because they get the biggest anime related oomph,

Translation: You can't downplay Apocrypha to saying Sukuna and Mahoraga can win without looking like an absolute potato which is why you never include them.

and FGO has the advantage of escalation and the mangas massively buffing things up even from that. (Mountain busting Raikou and mountain busting Fergus, for example.)

No, the Manga only shows us what we already know from shit like Apocrypha, F/SN and Extra...
Fergus being able to destroy a Country Sized Island? Is in the VN of Agartha which compliments the Manga in which he endangers the entire American Singularity by nearly blowing up the Continent. Karna's battle with Arjuna? No different than his battle with Sieg. Hell, even his last stand against the 28 Demon Pillar Gods is just a re-enactment of what he did in the game itself.
Like before, you want to downplay the shit out of the game because of some random excuses even when the truth slams into your face, kicks you in the dick and walks off with your lunch money until you can't and even THEN, you try and downplay how bad it is(See "Mountain Busting" Raikou when she's a hell of alot stronger than that by being Arjuna's Half-Sister).

Salter and Herc have the actual biggest feats of the VN and movies (besides Gil by nature being above them), so they get the most threads for that reason alone.

Isn't it convenient you guys never USE Gilgamesh though from the V/N-Movie versions? All we consistently see is the same old faces(Who are easy to lie about) but never Gil(in which you can't).

For example, would you pit Cu, Emiya, Medea, Kojiro or Medusa (With just the VN/Anime) against Anime Mahoraga? (Well, Emiya could be a thing actually, but generally.)

Yes Nursery, you can because they all would splatter him into paste in seconds... it's only SB land that pretends Anime Mahoraga is worth a damn in the Nasuverse(Where even a lowly ranked Dead Apostle can do what he does and die for far less).

Quite literally all of her fights feature her getting into a protracted fight before ever launching her Noble Phantasm. Same as regular Saber.

That's because of UFOtable you git. In the VN, she immediately opens the fight with Shirou and Medusa using Belleophron with a TNR Excalibur Morgan...
There's a reason why most Fate fans tend to not use UFOtable for most of their fights and it's primarily due to the overuse of cinematics angles and shots rather than showing what Servants can do like in other media.
 
LOL

Mortarion's diseases are very broken, he should get to Fiamma easily, he wins against the base Fiamma but I suppose the LPSD would win whoever attacks first.
>Fiamma
>whoever attacks first

There's your answer :tupac
 
Wait, how does he beat base Fiamma but potentially lose to LPSAD Fiamma? :hm

Last I checked, the only difference is that he no longer has a limited "stock" of Holy Right usage and the whole "can use miracles from Christianity associated with the right hand" thing.
 
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Ill never understand why nuclear blast is so widely brought up/used, the books do not give enough information for us to know how powerful/destructive it is. It wipes a city district, of a city of unknown size, with undefined districts. District in overlord can vary wildly and there not consistent sizes. Nuclear blast could have taken out a third of the city (If it's divided into three districts ala erantel) or just a chunk out of the middle. Until the anime releases we have no way to even guess the destruction because the books don't provide the relevant information.

It's not helped that the authors world building has left some rather weird implications about the size of cities in new world, the way the population of the countries is distributed doesn't make a lot of sense if you start running the numbers. Probably because the author doesn't really care about the numbers and because the author likes to hand wave any weirdness with it's magic.
 
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