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gingerbread said:
Hayumi was following Ultra here. Look with what PoE she opened the day. In my last scum game I had to vote a colleague because the person I was pocketing wanted to

I don't think that's much clearing
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•Not gonna lie, taking anything other arguments that could be made in my favor aside you’re actually insane if you think I’m killing Ultra as scum.

• I also wasn’t following Ultra on my Njay vote and had left it on him hella before end of 1st day. If I was openly contributing to TWO potential scum mate mislynches before either were even close to getting hammered and never bothered to move off, that would be absolutely atrocious play by me

•Not sure why you keep bringing up how you play as scum either, I haven’t played with you a day in my life and i don’t think we’re anything alike so respectfully this meta-esque based arguments are moot as hell and annoying
 
I think the key to my innocence is quite simple, and I'll try to lay it out for you as clearly and logically as I can.

My game revolves around the fact that I haven’t read most of what has happened and that my influence is very low—I'm low-impact. That’s true if I’m town, but it wouldn’t be true if I were scum. If I’m town, I’m genuinely uninformed, even more so than a typical townie because I haven’t read the game. But if I were scum, that wouldn’t be the case. Even with less time and fewer pages read than townies, I’d still have more knowledge than them. Plus, I’d have my scum team on Discord to give me info and help me.

So the first thing you need to judge is whether I’m actually playing like someone who knows even less than the average townie or if I’m faking it. It's also true in terms of impact. If I'm a town player who hasn't read the game, I should accept my lack of impact and even consider that it might be for the best. However, if I'm scum pretending to be an uninformed townie, I still want and need to have an impact.

You need to evaluate everything I say in the next parts of this post with that in mind—whether my actions align with someone who truly has no impact on the game and whose knowledge is scrambled, or if I’ve acted like scum with TMI, trying to influence things.

Things I wanted to have an impact on:

For Lionhead to be scumread (this was during the early phase of the game when I was still relevant and not behind on pages).
For Antura to be townread.
For Bobek to be townread.
For myself not to die.

I think, as scum, I would have wanted to touch on a wider range of topics and fake investigations, instead of focusing on a few areas where I’m most confident. Remember, it’s easier to fake an investigation as scum than to do a real one as town without reading the game.

Why was my approach to Poyser’s claim towny and free of TMI? Because I focused 100% on myself. I simply assumed I had no influence over whether Poyser would be trusted or hammered. I detached myself from trying to sway the outcome. Instead, I quickly assumed the worst for me—that Poyser might be trusted (I didn’t even want to judge whether he should be trusted). And because I assumed he might be trusted, I just told you to find someone else to scumread because I’m town. But I didn’t do this in a poisonous way (i.e., trying to find someone for you to yeet). I simply wanted to defend myself. I didn’t have enough time to fully do that, as the hammer came before I got back from work, but that was the line I wanted to take—defending myself, not looking for a scum.

Now, imagine I were scum on the same team as Poyser. Wouldn’t the scum team be in trouble in both situations? If town trusts Poyser’s claim, I’d probably die. But if town distrusts him, he dies. In both cases scum dies. How often scum teams gave you this much of a priviliged position?

Wouldn’t I prefer to sit on one side of the fence? Or wouldn’t I have prior knowledge that he would claim that day and at that moment, and would be better prepared? Wouldn’t a scum team of four (me included) have tried to make it S vs T during Poyser’s claim, instead of having me vs him during the claim? Have I done anything to avoid being his counterwagon, or have I only reinforced it the day before?

If I'm scum in this game, what exactly was my plan?

This proof may not be as clear and simple as I wanted it to be, but I think it's done well enough for you to see the truth.
 
Also I do hair, so I’m busy with clients and won’t have time to really sit here and post until probably 6 ish hours give or take.
 
Wakizashi said:
I think the key to my innocence is quite simple, and I'll try to lay it out for you as clearly and logically as I can.

My game revolves around the fact that I haven’t read most of what has happened and that my influence is very low—I'm low-impact. That’s true if I’m town, but it wouldn’t be true if I were scum. If I’m town, I’m genuinely uninformed, even more so than a typical townie because I haven’t read the game. But if I were scum, that wouldn’t be the case. Even with less time and fewer pages read than townies, I’d still have more knowledge than them. Plus, I’d have my scum team on Discord to give me info and help me.

So the first thing you need to judge is whether I’m actually playing like someone who knows even less than the average townie or if I’m faking it. It's also true in terms of impact. If I'm a town player who hasn't read the game, I should accept my lack of impact and even consider that it might be for the best. However, if I'm scum pretending to be an uninformed townie, I still want and need to have an impact.

You need to evaluate everything I say in the next parts of this post with that in mind—whether my actions align with someone who truly has no impact on the game and whose knowledge is scrambled, or if I’ve acted like scum with TMI, trying to influence things.

Things I wanted to have an impact on:

For Lionhead to be scumread (this was during the early phase of the game when I was still relevant and not behind on pages).
For Antura to be townread.
For Bobek to be townread.
For myself not to die.

I think, as scum, I would have wanted to touch on a wider range of topics and fake investigations, instead of focusing on a few areas where I’m most confident. Remember, it’s easier to fake an investigation as scum than to do a real one as town without reading the game.

Why was my approach to Poyser’s claim towny and free of TMI? Because I focused 100% on myself. I simply assumed I had no influence over whether Poyser would be trusted or hammered. I detached myself from trying to sway the outcome. Instead, I quickly assumed the worst for me—that Poyser might be trusted (I didn’t even want to judge whether he should be trusted). And because I assumed he might be trusted, I just told you to find someone else to scumread because I’m town. But I didn’t do this in a poisonous way (i.e., trying to find someone for you to yeet). I simply wanted to defend myself. I didn’t have enough time to fully do that, as the hammer came before I got back from work, but that was the line I wanted to take—defending myself, not looking for a scum.

Now, imagine I were scum on the same team as Poyser. Wouldn’t the scum team be in trouble in both situations? If town trusts Poyser’s claim, I’d probably die. But if town distrusts him, he dies. In both cases scum dies. How often scum teams gave you this much of a priviliged position?

Wouldn’t I prefer to sit on one side of the fence? Or wouldn’t I have prior knowledge that he would claim that day and at that moment, and would be better prepared? Wouldn’t a scum team of four (me included) have tried to make it S vs T during Poyser’s claim, instead of having me vs him during the claim? Have I done anything to avoid being his counterwagon, or have I only reinforced it the day before?

If I'm scum in this game, what exactly was my plan?

This proof may not be as clear and simple as I wanted it to be, but I think it's done well enough for you to see the truth.
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start solving others for God sake dude and not talk about your innocence

because I can link posts like that that you made as scum easily



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Why am I innocent.

First of all, I am not in the mafia and I ask for openness, cool head and careful reading of this post. Just honestly consider my case and dialogue, without boiling, without bias. I was wrong about Aragorn, for me he played too strangely on the mafia, which is why I did not vote for him, but at the end he voted to save himself and it is also for the player he had for the innocent all day. Well, it is. I mean, I had other reasons, and I thought that Aragorn was driving seriously after returning from America and wanting to lecture us on how to play and that it is not played. For me, his game was like what Eneldo did as Wittgenstein, too chaotic and stupid on the mafia, too thick threads sewn. I still assume that he could have blown away and he is innocent, but firstly I give it some 5-10% chance, secondly, then he owes himself and worked for the overt detriment of the city. I also thought he was innocent because, unlike you, I knew that the action with notes was not a set. But let's leave these notes.

My interactions with Aragorn can be viewed, I pressed it already in D1, I had a voice on it. And someone can say that I having a voice for co-mablood in D1 is a classic, because I had a voice in D1 on Riquelme and Aldon. Okay, but then why didn't I have him in the Hobbit? What, so playing Lewkonia, I preferred to save myself at the expense of myself? At that time, I thought that Sentence was what I wrote about in the subject and for me clearly did not play like a city Sentence, only I saw in it Bolca v2, which appears only as he is threatened and he uses manipulations that he does not want to play and therefore he plays less, but always, as he is threatened, it appears and ashes. This trend has been intensified to Aragoon even though he is not Sentence.

Third, look at it from the perspective of the potentially mafia me. Well, I can see that it's hard, I was drawn by Lewkonia, Volva and Tomusia. Each of them passed a weak d1, the city plays well, I am the only guest who has a chance to get it. And what I do, first of all, I'm not trying to make credits on Hobbit. Secondly, he presses Volva and I urge a sniper to fire, where I know that one of my probability is getting hit is high. And then joyfully as if I never defend anything about the last mafia friend who stayed with me in a situation where I see that he is fucked up and he will not live to the end, I make him a wajcha 10 minutes before the lynch. I'm still lining up with him early on some action with notes. If I had tried to rescue Aragorn in such a way that he has to ask for a lynching, and I have to whisk him, then I would forbid him not to vote for himself, because such a move makes sense only if you want to consistently follow this narrative afterwards, that he wanted to die in this lynching and that you will continue to give him chances. In any other case, it makes no sense, because it allows you to push only one innocent at the expense of completely ruining the position of the last mafia. In the meantime, the WORLD WILL BE THE LIGHT YOU HAVE THE MULTIPLE WORKS, WHAT IS YOU WORKS THE WORLD FOR THE WORLD OF THE WORLD OF THE WORLDWSHIP WITH TOMUS 10 THE MOUNT OF THE MOUNLE IN THE SYTUATION OF THE GDY OF THE WILL BE THE YEARS AND THE YES OF THE CITY OF THE CITY OF THE CITY Because that's the key question for you. The realization of such a plan would be evident to break on the yar as the last hope of the mafia, and I hope that yesterday it was your frustration with me that I had defended this Aragorn, and not that you really think that I would fuck so much as a mafia, for Aragorn, who is still a walking corpse.

The last argument may be less significant, but it is up to you and your respect for the types of other players. Gandalf had me in his top2 innocent, which he wrote about in his will, and I had a lot of interactions with him in D1, and he really improved his sense of me. In the freak edition, he acquitted me accurately in the situation when I was on the candlestick and I played quite antipathetically.

Here is his will:
mafiacorner.boards.net/post/62452

He correctly acquits the Rose and most likely Gollum, and he had me correctly.

The columsor, also has me in the topping of the innocent, I am not mentioned there from the nickname, but it is evident that she did not even consider me as a gossip. And just Rubble, is a player who knows me well and is inherently wary of me.
Here is her will:
mafiacorner.boards.net/post/63627

I was going to read the game all over again and figure it out, but I just made it to start.
 
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Wakizashi said:
Okay, so Angel, of course, can't claim because then scum with a strongman would kill him, and he would die along with his blessed. So if Monti is asking whether it's a good idea for Angel to claim right now, I guess he either hasn't read the setup recently or is pretending not to have.

MafiaCorner:
Antura
spongebobek
gingerbread
kshaq
Czuek
monti
Lucho


OneLastForum:
Lethal
EkkoLoJinx
Alexis2282AE
Sharter Holmes
Lord Melkor
Aurelian
Hayumi - Don't remember their single post.

It's based 100% on vibes, so please don't ask for explanations. This game isn't sufficiently represented in the conscious parts of my brain yet.
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Can you elaborate as to why Ekko is up there for your reads (I have him as scum)?
 
Wakizashi said:
I think the key to my innocence is quite simple, and I'll try to lay it out for you as clearly and logically as I can.

My game revolves around the fact that I haven’t read most of what has happened and that my influence is very low—I'm low-impact. That’s true if I’m town, but it wouldn’t be true if I were scum. If I’m town, I’m genuinely uninformed, even more so than a typical townie because I haven’t read the game. But if I were scum, that wouldn’t be the case. Even with less time and fewer pages read than townies, I’d still have more knowledge than them. Plus, I’d have my scum team on Discord to give me info and help me.

So the first thing you need to judge is whether I’m actually playing like someone who knows even less than the average townie or if I’m faking it. It's also true in terms of impact. If I'm a town player who hasn't read the game, I should accept my lack of impact and even consider that it might be for the best. However, if I'm scum pretending to be an uninformed townie, I still want and need to have an impact.

You need to evaluate everything I say in the next parts of this post with that in mind—whether my actions align with someone who truly has no impact on the game and whose knowledge is scrambled, or if I’ve acted like scum with TMI, trying to influence things.

Things I wanted to have an impact on:

For Lionhead to be scumread (this was during the early phase of the game when I was still relevant and not behind on pages).
For Antura to be townread.
For Bobek to be townread.
For myself not to die.

I think, as scum, I would have wanted to touch on a wider range of topics and fake investigations, instead of focusing on a few areas where I’m most confident. Remember, it’s easier to fake an investigation as scum than to do a real one as town without reading the game.

Why was my approach to Poyser’s claim towny and free of TMI? Because I focused 100% on myself. I simply assumed I had no influence over whether Poyser would be trusted or hammered. I detached myself from trying to sway the outcome. Instead, I quickly assumed the worst for me—that Poyser might be trusted (I didn’t even want to judge whether he should be trusted). And because I assumed he might be trusted, I just told you to find someone else to scumread because I’m town. But I didn’t do this in a poisonous way (i.e., trying to find someone for you to yeet). I simply wanted to defend myself. I didn’t have enough time to fully do that, as the hammer came before I got back from work, but that was the line I wanted to take—defending myself, not looking for a scum.

Now, imagine I were scum on the same team as Poyser. Wouldn’t the scum team be in trouble in both situations? If town trusts Poyser’s claim, I’d probably die. But if town distrusts him, he dies. In both cases scum dies. How often scum teams gave you this much of a priviliged position?

Wouldn’t I prefer to sit on one side of the fence? Or wouldn’t I have prior knowledge that he would claim that day and at that moment, and would be better prepared? Wouldn’t a scum team of four (me included) have tried to make it S vs T during Poyser’s claim, instead of having me vs him during the claim? Have I done anything to avoid being his counterwagon, or have I only reinforced it the day before?

If I'm scum in this game, what exactly was my plan?

This proof may not be as clear and simple as I wanted it to be, but I think it's done well enough for you to see the truth.
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I can say the same but you put me on your scumlist.
 
gingerbread said:
strat solving others for God sake dude and not talk about your innocence

because I can link posts like that that you made as scum easily

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Jesus, I really put a lot of time and effort into that post. And no wonder my scum and town games have some similarities—if they didn't, I wouldn't be considered a strong scum player. I'm solving other slots, but for now, mostly in my head. I've told you that I'll try to solve based purely on what you write during this day, and the day has just started.
 
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