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Yo some of my thoughts. Not formatted sorry.
Ekko is my new stronger town read.
There were posts that he has written to me that I REALLY FELT were coming from a townie frustrated that we as a MagiaCorner have naive reads.
I mean these posts:
I really like them. Not sure if these links will work since we have different pagecount setups.
Also noticing things like that one that Ultra was pairing Lionheart and NJay and then wanted to kill then both. Was cool.
I have to drop Gad out of my townread list. Running out of steam?
Arne could be scum, we've talked about it already, pointing out what me and Poyser noticed. Catching up with the thread with agenda to lim Lionheart already in mind. I've said before, that if Lionheart flips town, we should look between Ekko and Arne and Ekko seems fine to me now.
Hayumi could be scum. I have nothing to clear her. Some insightful posts, like the one turning attention to Melkor were okay, but well her game overall is proper. Makes good impression. Bobek often calls me "best student in class" vibes. I have something similar towards Hayumi.
Not sure if vig will shoot Njay, but I think that Njay is scum. Nothing much changed from what I said. I felt like his reads did not come from a logical backend to it. He put me and Lion as scum but it looked like that wasn't born organically.
Bobek I'm not sure. I thought about what monti has said - when a person focuses mostly on people who sus them, is it always scummy?
It's convenient for scum, sure, because you won't make many enemies. But it could be a towny way of trying to determine who's sussing you genuinely. I remember Bobek doing that in town.
So let's say this is NAI.
Still, I have to give him a bonus point for beating Lionheart like this to the ground with MU posts that even started to convince me. He was killing him when he didn't have to. Monti will probably say that if Njay is indeed scum, Bobek could be saving him. But you kinda felt it too, Monti, that Lionheart would have died anyway. Was there a point?
Something I would give Bobek a minus for: his push on monti yesterday didn't feel super genuine. I'd say "performative", but he started to hate that term, hehe. Also, why was he like "don't touch Ultra, no point so early!" but Monti he's attacking? Do you consider them a different tier, Bobek?
Lethal/Czuek - I think this a similar tier. Trolls/not giving a fuck guys. We don't want them in game. You cannot solve them properly. You can say "too insolent to be scum!", but we've been fucked by such players already. Vig/det appreciated here.
Ultra, Ultra we have to reconsider. I promised tomus that I'll do that. Tomus said such powerwolfing is common on MU. Ultra indeed played 20 games on MU. I didn't have time/will to ISO him there properly. But that discussion needs to be opened now. We need to watch carefully if he runs out of steam. There were small things that could make a case on him
- telling vig to shoot njay even if Lionheart is town, despite earlier making a strict connection between Lionheart and njay equity
- njay and lionheart were his opponents so it'd be convenient if he yeeted him by vig
- telling people to claim and explaining that he thought that lim would be on Monday, not Wednesday
Yeah I could make a similar list why he's town. Are these small things something that we need to push and are flaws in a very good scum game? Possibly. We owe it to Lionheart.
Funny thing though, when reviewing him, I saw that Ultra played with our Polish retired friend Vulgard once. Small world. Vulgard was the best. We miss you, Vul.
I believe in Monti, I think he's town.
Kshaq, kshaq has been rising a bit to me. Especially during his convo with Ultra, where he shown a lot of chill. "Yeah it's called cracking a cold one" moment. If he's indeed town, I wonder what the hell happened so that we don't townread him without any doubts like we could have in 2023. Is it us or him that's changed? Maybe a little of both? There's no post limit this game so he kinda should shine brighter. He didn't participate that much after Lion Heart died and when there was Ultra vs Lionheart feud on Monday. Somehow he's gone in crucial moments. He'll yell at this how he was busy doing other things, but maybe it's a concern.
Melkor, I'd trust this one right now on Bobek and kshaq who seem to like him, nevertheless of Bobek's and kshaq's alingements.
Antura is lock town imo, but I wish he limited rants. Like the one about Lionheart giving up. It helps scum. Creates a noise in the thread and gives them something to talk about.
I forgot about Alexis, he hasn't played much, but I liked his d0. It's a bold read, but I don't know. I don't want to yeet him somehow. Feels like this game does not make sense as mafia. He's not even trolling. Like, he came in, gave his reads and went away.
Waki I think I do risky town lean there. He has small activity. Although if he's town and sick then we as a town are weaker. He's a good townie when in good form and scum is afraid of him. Wishing he helped.
Lucho, looks towny, I think it's hard to present such a small activity and not write something suspicious and he didn't. Vote was very lazy though.
I don't know what to make of Poyser. At surface glance I liked his yesterday's activity. Was solvy exchanging points about Arne with Ultra and kshaq. Participated actively in crucial moments yesterday. When I suggested his pairing with Ultra, he explained his stance calmly. I feel like I still need something to put him into my stronger town reads. But I don't even know what.
I don't like Aureal the Admin, could be scum. I can support what Monti saw there with not following up on his Bobek stuff. I read that almost-hammer moment again and Aureal. had imo bad reactions.
"Terrible and not even remotely logical"
"Yeah sure, I intentionally drew attention I may have hammered through guy who wanted to self vote himself while pushing two other players the majority of the phase"
This is "I would never do this as scum I promise!" tier. I don't know why he doesn't just explain calmly to Monti why he did what he did.
"I pivoted to Lion cause we're approaching EoD and he's lynched or not do you think it's better we end thr first day with no lynch?"
This also sucks. Nobody wanted to end the day with no lim!! We just wanted extra time.
Also wondering. If used Ockham razor and I said I townread Waki, Ultra, Bobek, kshaq, Poyser, melkor. Won't that be too naive? I think something MUST sit in these slots you'd want to town read fully but something is holding your hand. Never expect a shitty mafia.
Because let's say who'd remain.
Aurelian
Czuek
Njay
Lethal
Hayumi
Arne
You might want to add Alexis to that, even Lucho, my point stands. No such mafia squads. Even add Gad there.
Ultra shouldn't be saying that mafia is weak. Who'd you see as potential leader of the mafia, @Ultra? Poyser?
Maybe I'm tackling too much at a single time now, but let's think about it. Need to break some naivety.
I do not follow your reasons for scum reading Hayumi, you think he is performative?
monti
Player of the Year 2023 | Happy enemy of Wakizashi
How the hell you liked his post? He's fucking lying on the eyes and playing prick the whole game and you are giving him likes?
kshaq
Paramount
that's too much imo
Damning
gingerbread
aka piernik
Czuek can you tell me how your conclusion about me trying to lynch you being towny came to be?
Because previous day you were saying it's sus. 180 switch on estimators.
Because previous day you were saying it's sus. 180 switch on estimators.
Antura
Acclaimed
But it was eexplained alreaty:
Lion in his last game did not do so so you were semi-true.
In MC game he did so, but he was mechanical 50/50 sus (Grubolsa edition).
And when we show you the evidence. YOUWENT FOR ANOTHER ONE IN THE MAFIA UNIVERSE XDD
so you really tried hard to found any matching evidence to persuade OLF to hammer Lionheart
why it was doubtful
monti
Player of the Year 2023 | Happy enemy of Wakizashi
Wrecking scum, why would I had to always did this in elegant way, we also deserve some fun sometimes.
kshaq
Paramount
it was easy tho to attach yourself to such wagon and then say exactly what you said
I mean I agree
but i'd bet over 0.5 maf in that group
Antura
Acclaimed
Who? Bobek or Ultra?
spongebobek
bobhun
wow, I did the city a favor by throwing out a guy they had as an ace up their sleeve to use whenever
what is your preffered scenario
lynched Lionheart, shooted scum
or Lynched scum, shooted probs other town with Lionheart still on thread?
which option is in your opinion better for town?
dont be so boiled, it was just friendly /pat. I just have to regulate your position. You shouldnt be well trusted. You dont need to be well trusted now, right?
monti
Player of the Year 2023 | Happy enemy of Wakizashi
The thing I have trouble with is:
BOBEK NEVER DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS
NOT IN TOWN NOT AS A SCUM
Providing links to previous creations? Linking up the playstyle? Three weeks ago he said that he hates meta.
@gingerbread not all of your links are working, where do you see townie frustration from Ekko?
gingerbread
aka piernik
Bobek ill talk to you about Monti later, I didn't forget, I have to get going
like?
gingerbread
aka piernik
how do I link properly?