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What are your thoughts overall on Monti btw?
Can't help but notice he didn't respond to this kek
sorry, you have so much personality I couldn't help myself but to count you twice :o
but for real, edited that, thx
PepeBoi
Paramount
Wakizashi
Lucho
Aurelian
Sharter Holmes
EkkoLoJinx
Lethal
Alexis2282AE
His list is almost the same as mine
Is this what they call fat people nowadays?
PepeBoi
Paramount
Bro counted him and his ego
D3 VC 2
D3, VC2
up to post #6,030
Wagons
Wakizashi: 3
Aurelian: 2
Ekkologix: 2
monti: 1
Alexis2282AEL: 1
Spongebobek: 1
Closest one to reaching hammer so far: Aurelian with 3/8 votes.
Voting history
Sharter Holmes: Antura > Lord Melkor > Aurelian
Alexis2282AE: Ekkologix > Aurelian > Ekkologix
monti: gingebread > Aurelian > Wakizashi
gingerbread: monti > Sharter Holmes > monti
kshaq: Sharter Holmes > Wakizashi
Lord Melkor: Aurelian
Czuek: Lord Melkor > Chuck (lol) > Lord Melkor > Ekkologix
Hayumi: Lord Melkor > unvote > Wakizashi
Ekkologix: Alexis2282AE
Lucho: Spongebobek
Quotes
up to post #6,030
Wagons
Wakizashi: 3
Aurelian: 2
Ekkologix: 2
monti: 1
Alexis2282AEL: 1
Spongebobek: 1
Closest one to reaching hammer so far: Aurelian with 3/8 votes.
Voting history
Sharter Holmes: Antura > Lord Melkor > Aurelian
Alexis2282AE: Ekkologix > Aurelian > Ekkologix
monti: gingebread > Aurelian > Wakizashi
gingerbread: monti > Sharter Holmes > monti
kshaq: Sharter Holmes > Wakizashi
Lord Melkor: Aurelian
Czuek: Lord Melkor > Chuck (lol) > Lord Melkor > Ekkologix
Hayumi: Lord Melkor > unvote > Wakizashi
Ekkologix: Alexis2282AE
Lucho: Spongebobek
Quotes
Wakizashi
Paramount
Lucho's ISO:
Page 1 & 2:
• Lucho enters the game with the take that I'm scum with Ginger but doesn't really elaborate why. The reason given is that Ginger plays poorly and that I would have to be mafia with Ginger if I don't see this. The question arises: why me in particular? Why no one else? Why was I the only one who had to see that Ginger was playing poorly?
• Lucho sees my argument with Ginger on D1 and decides it's probably not w/w, which makes me look better.
• Lucho finds the game pace too fast and says he's sorry but won't really read the game.
Page 3:
• Nothing noteworthy except that he was against Ultra and was undermining his confidence a bit. He questioned whether Ultra’s self-confidence was just scummy or if it was also part of his town meta, then voted Ultra.
Page 4:
• Voted GingerBread.
• Claimed that his vote on GingerBread shouldn't be taken too seriously since it's only D0 and the game is still just pretending to take shape.
• Townread Poyser based on transparency and a pro-town mentality.
• Considered Njay totally town for shitposting. Ended the message with "XD."
• Defended Lionheart, arguing that his OMGUS on Ultra was more common for town!Lionheart than scum!Lionheart.
Page 5:
• Thought the game started at a different time than it actually did.
• Voted Holmes and said Holmes was scum because of something Njay had said, but never quoted or mentioned what that thing was.
• Claimed that even if Ultra was town, he was leading town to a loss. A strange remark, considering Ultra had just told the Vig to shoot scum!Njay.
• Immediately apologized to Ultra after being called out by him.
Page 6 (and last):
• Defended Monti due to his inconsistency.
• Claimed he would never play such a game as scum. And indeed, he was never this inactive as scum before.
My opinion:
Lucho's game is very shallow—he hasn’t done much, nor has he even pretended to be doing much. He is similar to me in the sense that he hasn’t posted much content and claims he hasn’t read much of the game. Like me, he wasn’t really aware of when each day started or ended.
What stands out in his game are moments that I would simply call mistakes—things that, if written as scum, would force us to interpret them as intentionally dumbing himself down to appear town. These moments include:
• Claiming he didn’t know when D2 started.
• Claiming Holmes was scum because of something Njay had said, then never quoting or mentioning what that thing was.
• Claiming Ultra was leading town to a loss right after Ultra had just killed scum!Njay, and then immediately apologizing for it.
If he’s town, all three of these moments are just carelessness. If he’s scum, then he’s intentionally dumbing himself down. I consider this the most AI (alignment-indicative) aspect of his game, and my gut feeling is that he’s more likely town rather than deliberately playing dumb. It’s not a strong read, but it’s still a read.
What’s concerning is that after three days of gameplay, we still don’t have much AI content from him. I would say his game is even shallower than mine. I’ve been more active, if you’d do my ISO, you'd find more reads, more moments of taking stances, and more emotional or conflict-driven moments in my game than in his. My game is simply richer. So if I’m being pushed purely on the basis that I’m avoiding play, then I’d argue he should be pushed even more than me. And I say this despite reading him slightly as town.
And I think he was not being pushed or pressed in this game at all, when I was pressed and pushed plenty of times.
Page 1 & 2:
• Lucho enters the game with the take that I'm scum with Ginger but doesn't really elaborate why. The reason given is that Ginger plays poorly and that I would have to be mafia with Ginger if I don't see this. The question arises: why me in particular? Why no one else? Why was I the only one who had to see that Ginger was playing poorly?
• Lucho sees my argument with Ginger on D1 and decides it's probably not w/w, which makes me look better.
• Lucho finds the game pace too fast and says he's sorry but won't really read the game.
Page 3:
• Nothing noteworthy except that he was against Ultra and was undermining his confidence a bit. He questioned whether Ultra’s self-confidence was just scummy or if it was also part of his town meta, then voted Ultra.
Page 4:
• Voted GingerBread.
• Claimed that his vote on GingerBread shouldn't be taken too seriously since it's only D0 and the game is still just pretending to take shape.
• Townread Poyser based on transparency and a pro-town mentality.
• Considered Njay totally town for shitposting. Ended the message with "XD."
• Defended Lionheart, arguing that his OMGUS on Ultra was more common for town!Lionheart than scum!Lionheart.
Page 5:
• Thought the game started at a different time than it actually did.
• Voted Holmes and said Holmes was scum because of something Njay had said, but never quoted or mentioned what that thing was.
• Claimed that even if Ultra was town, he was leading town to a loss. A strange remark, considering Ultra had just told the Vig to shoot scum!Njay.
• Immediately apologized to Ultra after being called out by him.
Page 6 (and last):
• Defended Monti due to his inconsistency.
• Claimed he would never play such a game as scum. And indeed, he was never this inactive as scum before.
My opinion:
Lucho's game is very shallow—he hasn’t done much, nor has he even pretended to be doing much. He is similar to me in the sense that he hasn’t posted much content and claims he hasn’t read much of the game. Like me, he wasn’t really aware of when each day started or ended.
What stands out in his game are moments that I would simply call mistakes—things that, if written as scum, would force us to interpret them as intentionally dumbing himself down to appear town. These moments include:
• Claiming he didn’t know when D2 started.
• Claiming Holmes was scum because of something Njay had said, then never quoting or mentioning what that thing was.
• Claiming Ultra was leading town to a loss right after Ultra had just killed scum!Njay, and then immediately apologizing for it.
If he’s town, all three of these moments are just carelessness. If he’s scum, then he’s intentionally dumbing himself down. I consider this the most AI (alignment-indicative) aspect of his game, and my gut feeling is that he’s more likely town rather than deliberately playing dumb. It’s not a strong read, but it’s still a read.
What’s concerning is that after three days of gameplay, we still don’t have much AI content from him. I would say his game is even shallower than mine. I’ve been more active, if you’d do my ISO, you'd find more reads, more moments of taking stances, and more emotional or conflict-driven moments in my game than in his. My game is simply richer. So if I’m being pushed purely on the basis that I’m avoiding play, then I’d argue he should be pushed even more than me. And I say this despite reading him slightly as town.
And I think he was not being pushed or pressed in this game at all, when I was pressed and pushed plenty of times.
Lucho
Preeminent
Spongebobek
Wakizashi
Paramount
Why? And why are you throwing out such takes that you should be aware are controversial for a lot of players, without any elaboration?
Wakizashi
Paramount
I also see that Lucho was scumsiding a lot.
• Playing against Ultra.
• Pushing me and Ginger.
• Townreading Njay and Poyser.
However, all that scumsiding was done in such a way that he had almost no influence on the thread. I think if Lucho were scum and decided to scumside, he would do so in a way that had some influence, rather than scumsiding without any real benefit for his team. That makes me guess he’s rather town.
However, one possible explanation could be that his attempts at scumsiding as scum were simply completely ineffective because of how strong Ultra’s influence was.
• Playing against Ultra.
• Pushing me and Ginger.
• Townreading Njay and Poyser.
However, all that scumsiding was done in such a way that he had almost no influence on the thread. I think if Lucho were scum and decided to scumside, he would do so in a way that had some influence, rather than scumsiding without any real benefit for his team. That makes me guess he’s rather town.
However, one possible explanation could be that his attempts at scumsiding as scum were simply completely ineffective because of how strong Ultra’s influence was.
Wakizashi
Paramount
You can tell that I'm probably town but can't even give a brief explanation of why you think so? Strange.
monti
Player of the Year 2023 | Happy enemy of Wakizashi
One of Waki / Sponge is Iga Swiatek and the second is Daria Abramowicz, I just dont know who yet
I mean I would love to lynch Waki as even if he's town he's playing against, but Bobek started to hide himself more at this point
gingerbread
aka piernik
vote Aurelian
monti
Player of the Year 2023 | Happy enemy of Wakizashi
Like this man literally forgot his stance from last 3 days