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Wakizashi said:
Lucho's ISO:

Page 1 & 2:
• Lucho enters the game with the take that I'm scum with Ginger but doesn't really elaborate why. The reason given is that Ginger plays poorly and that I would have to be mafia with Ginger if I don't see this. The question arises: why me in particular? Why no one else? Why was I the only one who had to see that Ginger was playing poorly?
• Lucho sees my argument with Ginger on D1 and decides it's probably not w/w, which makes me look better.
• Lucho finds the game pace too fast and says he's sorry but won't really read the game.

Page 3:
• Nothing noteworthy except that he was against Ultra and was undermining his confidence a bit. He questioned whether Ultra’s self-confidence was just scummy or if it was also part of his town meta, then voted Ultra.

Page 4:
• Voted GingerBread.
• Claimed that his vote on GingerBread shouldn't be taken too seriously since it's only D0 and the game is still just pretending to take shape.
• Townread Poyser based on transparency and a pro-town mentality.
• Considered Njay totally town for shitposting. Ended the message with "XD."
• Defended Lionheart, arguing that his OMGUS on Ultra was more common for town!Lionheart than scum!Lionheart.

Page 5:
• Thought the game started at a different time than it actually did.
• Voted Holmes and said Holmes was scum because of something Njay had said, but never quoted or mentioned what that thing was.
• Claimed that even if Ultra was town, he was leading town to a loss. A strange remark, considering Ultra had just told the Vig to shoot scum!Njay.
• Immediately apologized to Ultra after being called out by him.

Page 6 (and last):
• Defended Monti due to his inconsistency.
• Claimed he would never play such a game as scum. And indeed, he was never this inactive as scum before.

My opinion:

Lucho's game is very shallow—he hasn’t done much, nor has he even pretended to be doing much. He is similar to me in the sense that he hasn’t posted much content and claims he hasn’t read much of the game. Like me, he wasn’t really aware of when each day started or ended.

What stands out in his game are moments that I would simply call mistakes—things that, if written as scum, would force us to interpret them as intentionally dumbing himself down to appear town. These moments include:

• Claiming he didn’t know when D2 started.

• Claiming Holmes was scum because of something Njay had said, then never quoting or mentioning what that thing was.

• Claiming Ultra was leading town to a loss right after Ultra had just killed scum!Njay, and then immediately apologizing for it.

If he’s town, all three of these moments are just carelessness. If he’s scum, then he’s intentionally dumbing himself down. I consider this the most AI (alignment-indicative) aspect of his game, and my gut feeling is that he’s more likely town rather than deliberately playing dumb. It’s not a strong read, but it’s still a read.

What’s concerning is that after three days of gameplay, we still don’t have much AI content from him. I would say his game is even shallower than mine. I’ve been more active, if you’d do my ISO, you'd find more reads, more moments of taking stances, and more emotional or conflict-driven moments in my game than in his. My game is simply richer. So if I’m being pushed purely on the basis that I’m avoiding play, then I’d argue he should be pushed even more than me. And I say this despite reading him slightly as town.

And I think he was not being pushed or pressed in this game at all, when I was pressed and pushed plenty of times.
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Well, you just described his game, and tbh it's not so scummy
 
monti said:
Like this man literally forgot his stance from last 3 days
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I have openly said I'm working purely on vibes when I gave my reads. Lucho has deemed me innocent now, just after supposedly doing some vote analysis.

Plus, he has changed his stance on me because at the beginning of this day, he had me as possible scum with Ginger. So, I don't think vibes can explain that change of mind. Something must have happened for him.
 
gingerbread said:
I'm really concerned about that Monti's reaction yesterday.

He said he always gets angry as a town, as scum he wouldn't bother. That's simply not true.

This situation/reaction gave me flashbacks to Marathon edition in 2023. He bussed his teammate The Felietonist there as Forrest Gump. Immediately after the lim, I said they were paired. Guy got mad as hell. Similar with bussing Poyser - not given enough appreciation and got frustrated?
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Yes, you should kiss my ass for my performance this game and every time Im doing something fantastic you're bussing me

This is frustrating as hell
 
monti said:
Yes, you should kiss my ass for my performance this game and every time Im doing something fantastic you're bussing me

This is frustrating as hell
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Both Njay and Poyser's deaths would have happened without you. From my perspective, you were scumsiding more than townsiding by pushing me as the counterwagon to Poyser.

I have no clue why you're so happy with yourself.
 
Wakizashi said:
Both Njay and Poyser's deaths would have happened without you. From my perspective, you were scumsiding more than townsiding by pushing me as the counterwagon to Poyser.

I have no clue why you're so happy with yourself.
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It does not matter that it would happen without me

I am a valid part of the wagon, not the primary driver but still happy about this as I am making the good pressure, solving a lot and performing valid final decisions

I was not seeing you there when Poyser was extremely frustrated about me and I was calling him not a vig but just a scum

So yes, I am happy about myself, because if I am one of the wheels you're the one who's grabbing horseshit left behind and throwing it to crowd
 
Especially since he was simultaneously trying to suppress Ultra while making it look like he was on the right side of history afterwards.
 
gingerbread said:
I'm thinking about vig angle. Which one better to lim which better to vig?
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Can't say at this point, Waki wagon never gained enough traction but there's only one scum at this point

I think Aurelian is easier to be pushed by lynch
 
Wakizashi said:
Especially since he was simultaneously trying to suppress Ultra while making it look like he was on the right side of history afterwards.
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Because I am on the right side of history while you are having wet dreams jerking off on yourself
 
monti said:
Because I am on the right side of history while you are having wet dreams jerking off on yourself
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I mean like you said you wouldnt kill Ultra and I am above you on his readlist, as like idk, 4th innocent
 
monti said:
Can't say at this point, Waki wagon never gained enough traction but there's only one scum at this point

I think Aurelian is easier to be pushed by lynch
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We should get a claim from him at some point today anyway. But not yet I think, I need to think about it, we have time.

Overall I think we have some extra hours from early hammers?

@Chuck how much time we have?
 
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