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Dota 2 Feats, lore, & power discussion thread

For the life of me i can't pass the fucking chess game from Crownfall :dead
Also, from what i understood, Act 2 hypes up a new unknown Ancient that, according to Zet, unlike him and Radiant/Dire, has "no beginning"/"always been" or something among those lines
 

Claszian Apostasy​


General lore:

This once-devoted Acolyte of Clasz has turned oathbreaker, betraying his faith and stealing a measure of power from his god's unknowable expanse. But that connection to Clasz has opened a terrible gateway, and now the faceless usurper must find victims to meet his former master's endless need -- or be consumed by that world-rending power himself.

For one of my kind, initiation as an Acolyte of Clasz is the highest honor. And I wore that mantle well. Fully devoted to my future as an aspect of Clasz the Infinite. Too naive to understand what such devotion truly means. But I learned. That I would lose myself entirely to His expanse. And slowly my pride turned to spite and anger. My focus changed from supplication to subversion. From my position of influence, I began to recruit fresh Acolytes to a secret cause. Some witting, others much less so. But all working towards my will. To control my transformation ritual. To keep my head above the surface of oblivion. And bend Clasz's own powers against the infinite one himself.
We who thrive in Claszureme exist outside of time. We do not age. Our advancements are measured through study. And the transformation of knowledge into power. When we look upon your realm, we cannot see our own futures as we can yours. But in study of the ripples and swirls of your flowing rivers... We might divine something of our own fates. Amongst the impossible voids that manifest between the streams.
Those in this pathetic realm should thank me. My attempts at survival have kept barred a dire gate. Were I to complete my transformation... …the full power of Clasz would flow through this form. And your plane, and all you wriggling denizens, would forever cease to be.
For now, Clasz hunts. And I evade his expanse. I know to turn his tendrils against my own enemies. And those he devours in my stead briefly sate his need. But should I fail to provide worthy fodder... One shudders to imagine what my fate could be.
We were not created by Clasz. Such efforts are alien to him. We are mere lichen or fungus. The Claszian Expanse provided the conditions, and we materialized to feast. But now I take the next step. I demand more than just a piece from Clasz. I carve a swath, and I claim it for myself.
Every day lived is a page of history. Time is a river with many eddies. I have seen its head waters, and I have seen its currents reach the sea. I may be faceless, but I'm not maceless.

- Claszureme is a dimension existing outside of time itself and contains objects of infinite size:
Darkterror the Faceless Void is a visitor from Claszureme, a realm outside of time. - Faceless Void lore
A symbol of power within the infinite halls of Claszureme. - Chronite Scepter

- Faceless Void's existence is tied to Claszuereme/Clasz as per his respawn
Returned from Claszureme!
I returned to fulfill my destiny!
The power to destroy Clasz will set me free.
My pendulum swings back to life.
I evade Clasz. Death holds no power over me.
I steal strength from the Claszian Expanse.
I grow now like a weed. You cannot kill me.

- Claszian Expanse > Primordial Mind
The Ancient pales in the shadow of the Infinite.

- The only reason the Claszian Expanse doesn't flood the multiverse is due to Faceless Void:
I alone hold back the flood of Clasz.

- Faceless Void feels comfortable about killing Clasz with the help of Dawnbreaker
With your full powers, you would be a terror in Claszureme.
I have a question, Valora. What would you think about killing Clasz?

- Same deal with Void Spirit:
To Void Spirit: With your help, surely I can defeat Clasz and take his place.

 
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More infinite dimensions:
It's hard to imagine that across the infinitude of dimensions that any creature could be endangered, but alas these corpulent lads are the last of their kind.
 
Yo @JayK
Where do you think the non-cosmic characters stand at?
Feel like the fact a random Pangolier managed to survive Lina's flames with only relatively tame injuries in the anime leads me to believe they scale to her to some extent
Plus at least the ones comparable to Mirana/Luna should scale to their Rel+/FTL feats
Other than that there's the fact several characters (Juggernaut, Wraith King, etc) have fought dragons in lore, which we know are comparable to the DB main cast.
 
It is not Pangolier but just a specimen of his named Hieronimo which pretty much makes it an outlier. The actual Pangolier is named Donté.

Rylai and Lina cause drastic weather changes just by existing via their mana. In one timeline the former would have also fought against Winter Wyvern if needed which is definitely above Donté's paygrade aswell.
 
Another crosspost:

Well may you ask, "How did this world take its form?" Why of all the worlds in creation, has this one its strange properties, its diverse and motley collection of creatures, cultures and lore? "The answer," One whispers, "lies with the Titans."

These original progenitors were there near the Beginning—if not actual witnesses to the creation, then born with it still echoing in their ears. Stamped with the earliest energies of the universe, they wished nothing more than to continue as creators themselves. Thus they bent to the task of shaping matter to their will: hammering and heating, bending and blasting. And when matter proved less challenging than they liked, they turned their tools upon themselves, reshaping their minds and reforging their spirits until they had become beings of great endurance. Reality itself became the ultimate object of their smithing. Yet, along the way, they sometimes erred. In cases of great ambition, mistakes are unavoidable.

The one we know as the Elder Titan was a great innovator, one who studied at the forge of creation. In honing his skills, he shattered something that could never be repaired, only thrown aside. He fell into his own broken world, a shattered soul himself. There he dwelt among the jagged shards and fissured planes, along with other lost fragments that had sifted down through the cracks in the early universe. And this is why the world we know resembles an isle of castaways, survivors of a wreck now long forgotten. Forgotten, that is, by all but the One who blames himself. He spends his time forever seeking a way to accomplish the repairs, that he might rejoin the parts of his broken soul, that we and the world alike might all be mended. This is the One we know as Elder Titan.



Elder Titan shattered the Primordial Mind, the world before the world of DotA as The Self put it. This seems to go hand in hand with what Invoker said in Dragon's Blood about the realms endlessly shattering and trinkling down.

Also I think I'll soon run out of reasons to not have comic timeline Crystal Maiden scale to Winter Wyvern, as in a single Eldwurm soul. Her being a girl with a staff has probably never been enough reason for disqualification. The only discrepancy is Dragon's Blood Lina getting fisted by Byssrak when she is supposed to be the stronger of the 2. Might just be a case of that specific version of Lina being weaker though or CM already being on Radiant juice in the comic.
 
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Not really a powerscaling thing but man the new Bloodseeker sucks dick
I miss the magic damage build, they really broke my man :wow
 
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