Kamino vs Mugino Shizuri

[Astaro]

Fuck it, I’m not waiting another month to see what Kamino actually does

Fight takes place in Academy City

Both fighters have intel on the others ability.

Who takes it?

 

[Astaro]

Meltdowner vs Matter Annihilation… Sike!!! I’m a Teleporter…

Except I lied about that as well.

@Darth Zion @fiamma @NeloAngelo @One and Only @Hiryuu @Paxton

 

[Paxton]

I'm going to be honest. I have not read mental out beyond a few select chapters.

 

[One and Only]

Teleport calculations tend to be the tough so as far as Espers go they should be on the slower side. Mugino essentially speed blitzes?

 

[Astaro]

Mugino doesn’t need an explanation

Kamino erases matter within a certain distance that her gaze falls on

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Later revealed to be Teleportation she purposefully botches each time she uses it to simply annihilate what she tries to teleport

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Is currently fighting the original No. 1 Level 5 before Accelerator and holds her own pretty well.

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Except even all the above was a lie. And what her actual ability… has yet to be revealed.

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What we know so far is that it’s related to her hands

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[Darth Zion]

So it's a quick draw?

 

[NeloAngelo]

Is her fight over yet?

I will say that it depends a lot on who of them wins if Kamino can react to the Meltdowner and Mugino who is as fast as Misaka, in fact the Meltdowners should be faster than the projectiles that Kamino erased with her teleportation.

On the other hand, Mayui is stronger than Misaka base, Misaka herself speculates that not even her sand giant would work.

 

[NeloAngelo]

So it's a quick draw?

The first one to attack correctly wins, the question is who has the best reactions to attack first.

 

[Astaro]

Bump

We FINALLY know what Kamino does.

Her power is total control over the 11th Dimension, which gives her a wide range of applications that involve manipulating space, hence her matter annihilation and teleportation

But the trade-off is that she’s a sort of Master of None. She can’t teleport anywhere near as efficiently as Awaki or Kuroko can for example.

 

[Astaro]

Makes sense. In this settings power system, precision and application with one’s ability can matter even more than sheer scale and raw power.

Shokuhou needs to actually limit the true scope of Mental Out, likening it to an uncontrollable beast that needs to be held down by chains, in order to ironically enough, use her powers efficiently. Hence her reliance on TV remotes.

And it also why Mugino’s straightforward destruction and raw power regularly gets outdone by weaker Espers that are more clever or versatile with their ability in her own spin-off

It’s also why Accelerator, Kakine, and Misaka are the top dogs. Their powers are massive in scope and application and they use it all to their fullest extent.

But on the plus side, since Kamino is controlling an entire higher dimension, it’s not something Kokuchou can just instantly consume with Synthesis Grid like she did Misaka’s powers when she took them away.

 

[Astaro]

Also, Kamino’s hands are Rated E for everyone

Between the JoJo poses, ridiculously overpowered ability out of nowhere, being a pervert that gave Kuroko a taste of her own medicine, and now pulling a Touma twice.

Kamino is becoming quite the meme character

 

[NeloAngelo]

Bump

We FINALLY know what Kamino does.

Her power is total control over the 11th Dimension, which gives her a wide range of applications that involve manipulating space, hence her matter annihilation and teleportation

But the trade-off is that she’s a sort of Master of None. She can’t teleport anywhere near as efficiently as Awaki or Kuroko can for example.

Well, I thought you posted it in the ToAru thread, but anyway, it seems like Kamino must be more powerful than Misaka herself. She's fighting someone who's at least Kakine-level and Misaka herself said she couldn't beat her, and it's also said that her power is at the top of the Level 5.

So she must scale of Misaka herself, perhaps not in destructive power since she ignores durability, but in reactions when facing someone with reactions comparable to Misaka's.

 

[Darth Zion]

We FINALLY know what Kamino does

This also confirms that ToAru universe follows String Theory since the idea of curled up micro dimensions noticable from a smaller perspective is derived from there.

 

[Astaro]

Well, I thought you posted it in the ToAru thread, but anyway, it seems like Kamino must be more powerful than Misaka herself. She's fighting someone who's at least Kakine-level and Misaka herself said she couldn't beat her, and it's also said that her power is at the top of the Level 5.

So she must scale of Misaka herself, perhaps not in destructive power since she ignores durability, but in reactions when facing someone with reactions comparable to Misaka's.

Have you read ITEM, so many instances of low level Espers fighting Mugino and reacting to her beam, that I’m willing to say any combat capable Esper gets scaling to the Level 5s, especially if their Tokiwadai

You got the main villain of Volume 1, the Tokiwadai student Ibotanokikouji Kaede which as a Non-Level 5 student of that school, means she was either Level 3 or 4.

Uses her power to stop Mugino’s Meltdowner after it already fired by altering its trajectory

“Do you really believe you can survive anything as long as you have your pride as one of Academy City’s seven Level 5s? Do you really think this city’s darkness is that shallow?”

It was Frenda who stared at her confident smile in disbelief.

That girl knew who they were to an extent. And yet she still looked confident while opposing the Mugino Shizuri.

Mugino did not hesitate, of course.

They only wanted the suitcase, not to hurt the villains or get some kind of information out of them.

She held out her palm and launched a brutal beam straight at the enemy.

But.

Mugino Shizuri’s Meltdowner bent at a sharp angle and blasted through a wall.

“Wha-?” said Frenda, her face entirely pale.

She may have received more of a shock than Mugino.

Mugino herself narrowed her eyes.

“You…”

“No, I did not use electricity.”

Ibotanokikouji Kaede hadn’t even gotten out of her chair.

Mugino Shizuri and Ibotanokikouji Kaede both launched something from their palm.

They didn’t bother waiting to confirm the rules. Both of them had lost at least one of their teammates. Talking couldn’t change the amount of spilled blood.

Even so.

Mugino thought to herself while the anger sizzled at her heart.

Her Meltdowner beams had scorched the air and blown up a few empty buses. That much was fine.

Some of them had bent in a way she hadn’t expected, but she had seen the phenomenon before.

Ibotanokikouji immediately jumped to the side to dodge in the opposite direction, but it made sense she could get lucky there if she was guessing that a surprise attack was coming.

But what had Ibotanokikouji done?

A small red line ran across Mugino’s cheek. It was like a cut from a blade.

A moment later, the concrete wall behind Mugino was torn apart and blown away. Almost like an invisible wrecking ball had hit it.

She had seen this before when Ibotanokikouji had first demonstrated her power.

Or more accurately, she hadn’t seen it. But it was definitely there.

It was deadly.

Mugino can’t even get close to her, mind you, the same Mugino whose fast enough to swat oncoming lightning away

It happened directly ahead of her. The thick beam launched from Mugino’s palm exploded shockingly close and scattered light everywhere.

“!?”

“Oh? The first time, our powers intersected and your beam bent, but this must be what happens when they perfectly overlap.”

Silence fell, like time had stopped for a moment.

About 10m away, Ibotanokikouji was holding out her own palm.

She didn’t even try to show off her high score of remaining unscathed in these circumstances.

Both girls came to a stop and glared at each other.

And like they had timed it…

“What the hell did you do, #6?”

“Guess, Level 5.”

The frozen time seemed to explode back into motion.

Mugino knew it would be neutralized, but she still launched another Meltdowner directly at her enemy. She dashed in the instant Ibotanokikouji held out her palm and the thick beam exploded. She kept low to duck below the scattering light to arrive right in front of her target.

She aimed her open palm up at Ibotanokikouji’s face.

Her right hand was spread as wide as it would go.

(Let’s see if you can block it when I grab your face and fire at point-blank range, Dark Side’s Bane!!)

A deep roar followed.

But that wasn’t Meltdowner. Mugino was the one who was knocked away, spinning through the air.

Ibotanokikouji winked, stuck out her tongue a bit, and whispered softly.

“I won’t even let you touch me.”
Mugino ended up embedded in the dented side of a bus, but she still smiled belligerently.

A trickle of red dripped down from her right temple, but she ignored that.

Turns out, her power is firing narrow spears of pressure

“Your power is invisible.” Mugino landed in a different position, the soles of her boots crunching the glass scattered across the floor. “But since it shatters glass instead of passing through, it isn’t made of light like a laser. It can’t be electromagnetic either since it doesn’t produce any sparks when it hits the side or door of a bus. I’ve heard fluorescent lights light up on their own when exposed to microwaves, but I don’t see that either. So what invisible attacks does that leave? Ultrasonic waves? Controlling the wind or air?”

“Shouldn’t you consider the possibility of simple telekinesis?”

“Not a chance. If your power was that convenient and had this kind of range, you wouldn’t need to rely on projectile attacks. You’d just grab me directly and lift me up into the air like the crane game.”

Also, the enemy wasn’t going to provide the correct answer like that.

Anything she said would either work to her advantage or just be a silly mistake.

Just like Mugino was explaining all this to try and find confirmation in her opponent’s expressions.

“I’ve been hit by your power twice already. The first time it grazed my cheek and cut me, but the second time I took a direct hit and was knocked through the air. That second one has to be the real one. When it seemed to cut my cheek, it was more like I just barely dodged the attack and it tugged on my skin hard enough to tear it. Which suggests…”

Something swept through the air.

But Mugino kicked off a concrete pillar, performed a midair flip, and dodged the invisible attack moving by at hip height.

She didn’t advertise her ability to perform acrobatics, but that didn’t mean she couldn’t do it.

“Pressure. But instead of fanning it out around yourself, you narrow it down to a point like a spear.”

Ibotanokikouji immediately leaped to the right and took aim with her palm.

She didn’t hesitate.

“Killer Press!!”

The concrete pillar was easily destroyed, but Mugino was no longer there.

The Level 5 took one step to the side like a bullfighter.

“Yeah, that’s a pretty self-explanatory name. But you shouldn’t have given it away even if I already knew the answer. Did you panic? It didn’t help you at all.”

“You…”

“Currents of water, air, mud, lava, or any other particle have viscosity and they will naturally flow along the path of least resistance. I believe that’s the foundation of fluid dynamics. So by launching a point of invisible but powerful pressure, you can bend the path my Meltdowner takes as it travels through the air as a current. Just like river water traveling around a bridge support in the middle.”

But even after Mugino figures out her power, she still can’t get a hit in on her

So she has Frenda flood the entire parking garage their in with electrified water, forcing them both to fight while jumping on cars and pillars to stay out of the water

And Mugino then purposefully blowing up the bus their both on so they fall into the water

Only than does Kaede finally lose from a delay in using her power on time that came from a moment where she tried to prioritize saving herself while Mugino didn’t give a shit about dying so long as she got to kill her

“All of us in Item were only after one thing this whole time: your shitty head!!”

A beam flashed out, the metal noisily vaporized, and all the fuel in the bus ignited.

Ibotanokikouji instinctually jumped from the roof…and then her thoughts ground to a halt.

That had been the right choice if she was to live as long as possible.

But where was she supposed to land? The floor was covered in electrified water, so her heart would stop the instant her feet touched down!!

Meanwhile…

“No…way?”

Mugino had thrown herself into the air as well, but she was holding her palm out toward Ibotanokikouji.

She didn’t even consider what would happen a second from now.

In this single snapshot in time, she would do what she could to personally kill a girl who was going to die regardless. Her piercing gaze conveyed only an intention to give Ibotanokikouji more than just an electric death.

Yes.

If Ibotanokikouji hadn’t been so focused on survival, she too might have launched a final attack. But in her fear, she had looked away from the battle. Her thoughts had abandoned the battle as they raced in search of some way to survive.

It was too late now to grip the trigger again.

The light of a high-speed particle-wave cannon was already gathering in Mugino’s palm.

In that final moment, her violent lips formed a few words.

Those words didn’t even reference Ibotanokikouji Kaede, the leader of Enemy Item.

Even her own life was a secondary concern.

“Are you watching, Hanano?” whispered Mugino.

The beam erupted forth.

The brutal beam that had so often mercilessly sliced through Academy City’s darkness struck Ibotanokikouji at the hip and vaporized her lower half.

Mugino was no longer focused on the 80 billion or her own life.

Once she decided someone had to die, she threw out all of those normal calculations.

That Level 5 wasn’t concerned with how her attack’s immense energy nearly blew away her own body.

 

[Astaro]

^ Also, goes down as one of the best fights in the whole series

Great villain team, great story with twist and turns, and an awesome final fight that shows just how terrifying Mugino is when she’s pissed off but still has a cool head on her shoulders and remains competent.

Only thing I’d criticize is the Colosseum being pretty underutilized. An underground fight club between Espers and trained killers of Academy City definitely should have had more focus than it got

Really hoping the manga fixes this with how it’s been adding extra content.

 

[Astaro]

As far as Kamino being outright stronger than Misaka, it’s more like Kamino’s just a better match against Kokuchou

She can bend and control space and annihilate matter, which naturally counters a power that also controls space and matter

And since she’s controlling an entire higher dimension with her power, Kokuchou also can’t just take away her powers, at least not immediately

Thought admittedly, she’d probably give any of the Level 5s besides Accelerator hell. In fact, it’s outright stated her power rivals the Level 5s in research value in the above scan

 

[Astaro]

This also confirms that ToAru universe follows String Theory since the idea of curled up micro dimensions noticable from a smaller perspective is derived from there.

BTW what does this mean? Not much of a science expert

 

[Darth Zion]

BTW what does this mean? Not much of a science expert

Nothing really- just that there exist higher dimensions that are compactified, curled up in on themselves. But if we take into account the fact that we have long known that ToAru has eleven dimensions, this means that the verse follows the extension of the superstring model known as the M-Theory.

A part of the which suggests that our universe exists as a brane inside a higher-dimensional bulk space that can hosting other universes, forming a brane multiverse. I wouldn't say it's as good as true unless we get Kamachi's approval on this since authors tend to throw around buzzwords without knowing what they mean, but it means ToAru physics allows for a Type-II Multiverse on the Tegmark Scale.