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Marine Ford Whitebeard vs. Wano Law and Kid

Like I get it. Whitebeard's enraged Quake Punch is stronger than the casual quake punch I agree. But it's unquantible and it should be noted Akainu took the first one and ripped half of Whitebeard's face off. Then fell down the whole on the second one.

Not to mention that MF is small af compared to Dressrosa and Luffy folded that like a lawn chairm
 
El Hermano said:
Thing is, they all scale to WB at the end of the day. His advantage is that he's got insane range and AoE and he can also shift the battlefield with his DF. I don't see them dealing with that. Not to mention that the only real reason Big Mom lost this fight was because they BFR'd her, Law pulled a new very specific ability and she had a powerful bomb drop on her head on top of it all. There's a good chance they would have lost if it weren't for those specific conditions.
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I see sickbeard beating them fairly high diff 1v1, he's sick and should no way be comparable to BM. BM is not going to extreme diff a sickbeard, I refuse to believe that.

2v1 they're going to most likely win extreme diff if anything. It'll be hard to hit them with a full quake punch, small targets, the issue here is WB managing to tag 2 characters that move at his speed and having attacks that is able to hurt the most durable character in the series to date.

They win 6-7/10 times. We have canon fact that a stronger WB (not prime wb) is weaker than Kaido before he deterioted further in MF. And BM is comparable to Kaido fighting him for days, so those feats Law and Kidd have are good enough to fight sickbeard especially since they can outlast him. He can suicide if he destroys the island.
 
Syla said:
I see sickbeard beating them fairly high diff 1v1, he's sick and should no way be comparable to BM. BM is not going to extreme diff a sickbeard, I refuse to believe that.

2v1 they're going to most likely win extreme diff if anything. It'll be hard to hit them with a full quake punch, small targets, the issue here is WB managing to tag 2 characters that move at his speed and having attacks that is able to hurt the most durable character in the series to date.

They win 6-7/10 times. We have canon fact that a stronger WB (not prime wb) is weaker than Kaido before he deterioted further in MF. And BM is comparable to Kaido fighting him for days, so those feats Law and Kidd have are good enough to fight sickbeard especially since they can outlast him. He can suicide if he destroys the island.
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That's a big disagree from me. He's got insane endurance. It took A LOT to put him down, a lot of it he TOOK WILLINGLY. As I said - the most impressive DC feats to date. He still managed to dish some heavy damage to someone like Akainu DESPITE having half of his face gone and insides boiling, all caused by the DF with the most potent offensive abilities. Once again - this type of endurance is going to prove incredibly useful against someone like Law. He also still managed to tag Kizaru in his light form as well, which is very impressive.
That on top of clashing with Shanks shortly prior to MF, he still had what it took to tango with his peers. "In no way comparable" is just flat out downplaying. He was slapping Akainu's magma attacks around until he got cheapshotted by him while having a heart attack, which is what Akainu needed to tip the scale(even then, he still ended up being knocked down during their final clash even after removing half of WB's face). And Admirals should hover around Yonkou level. If Kizaru was confident enough that he could stop Big Mom from meeting Kaido, I believe him.

Kid's a close range brawler bar his trump card. He gets drilled into the ground the moment he pulls any melee range stunts, which is exactly what he'd do. If he charges WB with a bull or his mech WB will shatter either. He could also set him off-course by shifting the battlefield, completely foil a bait attempt. Law could try and pull a long ranged Willie, but even if he lands one it's not doing Whitebeard in and WB's got the range and AoE to tag him at a distance. Small target or not, WB's AoE is more than enough for them to feel that.

Also, I don't recall the battle between Kaido and Big Mom being several days long. It was simply stated they've been battling throughout the night and next time we saw them(and I don't think a full 24 hours even passed since that statement)they were drinking together.
 
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I seriously disagree that BM or Kaido is any superior to Sick WB. They'd roll all over WB if he is that weak.

BM and Kaido ain't as Friendly as WB or Shanks that they'll left behind someone weaker than them that are considered equal.

:kannasip
 
Whitebeard himself stated before Thatch died he didn't want War with Kaidou. He wanted Ace and the crew to get stronger before they went to war. Because the casualties would be very great.

The Yonkou didn't want War with each other. Whitebeard knew he couldn't walk up in any Yonkou territory.

So yeah no it's Whitebeard wasn't superior to them. The ace novel, the manga, and the databooks all said the Yonkou are pretty much equal and it's not well known who actually are the strongest.
 
Thought most statements and followup point to Kaidou being the strongest.

Plus for three whole days Big Mom and Him fought to a standstill.

I haven't actually seen any statements or feats that put Whitebeard on any level higher than the others.

The only thing I can think of is Big Mom said if she had an army of Giants she could beat Whitebeard. But considering the size of Whitebeard's army that's probably more to do with war than actual one on one competition.
 
B Rabbit said:
e wanted Ace and the crew to get stronger before they went to war. Because the casualties would be very great.
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yea that's the point, whitebeard was holding back not because of himself but because he knows his crew is weaker and would die in the crossfire.

:kannasip Again that's consistent with his personality.

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I haven't actually seen any statements or feats that put Whitebeard on any level higher than the others.
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Dude the whole manga literally screams that in your face. Only time that change is when he died and Kaido is now the new main villain.
Kaido's the one who has no showing that he is above others, other than his ability to survive. Even the best showing of Kaido is tying with BM.

It's literally the same hype as Mihawk tying with Shanks.
 
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shade0180 said:
yea that's the point, whitebeard was holding back not because of himself but because he knows his crew is weaker and would die in the crossfire.

:kannasip Again that's consistent with his personality.



Dude the whole manga literally screams that in your face. Only time that change is when he died and Kaido is now the new main villain.
Kaido's the one who has no showing that he is above others, other than his ability to survive. Even the best showing of Kaido is tying with BM.
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No lol.

Buggy's statement of Whitebeard being the strongest we saw on panel was prime Whitebeard. As Buggy didn't see old Whitebeard again until the war.

Whitebeard admitting in the middle of the war he can't be the strongest forever is another indication that MF Whitebeard that he wasn't the strongest.

The fact Whitebeard didn't think or know he could beat Kaidou or win a war against him is another point.

The fact Oden admitted he didn't think another pirate or Wano birth would be strong enough to take Kaidou in 20 years despite know WB was still around is another hint at this.

Now until I see proof or panel evidence that MF Whitebeard was on a different tier from the Yonkou I'll take this seriously. But the fact that all this information is Canon. The fact that even in the Ace novel while Whitebeard was alive Kaidou had this title. The fact the the quake punch that was calced was matched by Akainu and Aokiji. The fact Mom also fought a prime Gold Roger. The fact Oden fought a prime Roger, Whitebeard, and Kaidou and felt that Kaidou was that unbeatable.

Sorry there is no, "pushing the scaling". Find the evidence.b
 
And I'm not even trying to say Whitebeard wasn'T the strongest. I'm trying to see where the "pushing" it comes from. Especially when we have a plethoral of feats, statements, and Oda'¢s words are available.
 
The way the Yonkou are treated is that there is no story driven answer or truth to who the strongest is. It's up to interpretation as Oda wants them to be see as rivals and peers.

Whitebeard has a text box that says world's strongest man.

Kaidou has a text box that says world's strongest creature.

Big Mom hasn't been injured in decades and is stronger now than when she fought prime Roger.

Shanks is revered even by the Gorosei.

The story has never given a clear indication on who the actual strongest Yonkou is.

My opinion based on the information we have? The strongest Yonkou is probably Shanks.
 
B Rabbit said:
My opinion based on the information we have? The strongest Yonkou is probably Shanks.
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Wut?

Kaidos textbox calls him WSC
Kaido is the 1on1 King
Kaidos VC stated as well hes the WSC
The narrator calls him the WSC
Killer,who fought Shanks called Kaido the strongest
BM and BB hyped up Kaido
Is the only char who oneshotted a YC1 Char
Ace novel puts him as the strongest
Has most likely the highest HP bar
Runned a gauntlet against 15 strong people while lifting Oni

Oda is hammering into our head that nobody can defeat Kaido 1on1
 
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