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Master Galvatron runs a DBS Rematch Gauntlet

The only thing I'm wondering now is on Balancing Act actually being in continuity bc of this weird ass shit I stumbled on
genuinely have no clue wtf this is supposed to be now
there's still universe+ scaling even without this though since Optimus and crew beat Galvatron when he had the Omega Lock and all four keys
The Balancing Act comics do reference the cartoon events so I think they’re still supposed to be connected

But of course this clownshoes franchise has to make things more confusing :kobeha
 
"Balancing Act" takes place primarily during the Cybertron cartoon, but features a multiversal battle fought by characters culled from other continuities. The setting changes after an arc ends as characters migrate from continuity to continuity.
In Japan, then, Legends of the Microns was the first full reboot, connecting with Super Link into the second major Japanese continuity, and then, as noted above, Galaxy Force started a third. The last timeline Cybertron cartoon is canon to the DW UT comics and the Cybertron cartoon leads to Balancing Act.


gg
 
That does make the most sense though honestly. We are really not ever told of similar events happening in branch or parallel timelines and AVP would have had all the time to introduce a retcon like that if Sorenson wanted to.
 
The stuff I’m still unsure about is Optimus surviving in the depths of the unstable Unicron Singularity/Grand Black Hole, which was a threat to the entire multiverse and did weird shit like pull in the Unicron from all whens

It’s stupidly impressive but I don’t know what to make of it
 
That does make the most sense though honestly. We are really not ever told of similar events happening in branch or parallel timelines and AVP would have had all the time to introduce a retcon like that if Sorenson wanted to.
why didnt he mention multiple primuses stopping the singularity :mjpls
 
The stuff I’m still unsure about is Optimus surviving in the depths of the unstable Unicron Singularity/Grand Black Hole, which was a threat to the entire multiverse and did weird shit like pull in the Unicron from all whens

It’s stupidly impressive but I don’t know what to make of it
this may be a lowball or too conservative an estimate but basically the way I interpreted characters being able to survive in it is since we already know the black hole exists both inside and outside time and multiplies and manifests across universes, it would mean surviving in one was surviving the destruction of that particular timeline (the black hole was also explicitly destroying time itself even in the show) vs Primus shutting down the entire Unicron network which would cover everything outside of that
 
this may be a lowball or too conservative an estimate but basically the way I interpreted characters being able to survive in it is since we already know the black hole exists both inside and outside time and multiplies and manifests across universes, it would mean surviving in one was surviving the destruction of that particular timeline (the black hole was also explicitly destroying time itself even in the show) vs Primus shutting down the entire Unicron network which would cover everything outside of that
just to be sure, where does the black hole existing both inside and outside time originate from i dont recall
 
Anyway to sum it up, the first scaling point without Ramjet is Vector Prime contesting Unicron’s galaxy erasing shockwaves:
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Master Megatron even in early eps benefits but that alone is obviously nowhere near enough against any relevant DBS character.

Ramjet was already mentioned, which is basically universe level if you want to interpret him saying he held the power of dead universes that way. Endgame TFC is blatantly at that level since Galvatron with all four Planet Keys and the Omega Lock planned on using the black hole to destroy the universe, and then he’d recreate it in his image. Sonic Wing Optimus punched through Galvatron’s barrier and then hit his face after a rage boost. Then Optimus plus four others beat him with the power of teamwork.

Other Unicron Singularity shenanigans are a ? for me right now
 
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just to be sure, where does the black hole existing both inside and outside time originate from i dont recall
combination of balancing act and avp I think

it self replicated across timelines and then distorts and destroys history as it goes which was why there were plot holes, Vector said he was repairing paradoxes in the background or some shit

there’s also that it’s gradually taking an entire show to destroy that one universe (countermeasures like the Keys notwithstanding) but at the same time it’s multiplying and destroying every universe at once
 
galaxy erasing shockwaves

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most of you, unironically, always downgrade this feat, it aint galaxy, it says, galaxies, unicron's existence, casually wrecks damage on the fabric of space/time, and creating quantum based shockwaves, capable enough to cui galaxies out of existence

i will keep reminding it to ya, cuz legosgalaxy does it the same as u, and mixes it up
 
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most of you, unironically, always downgrade this feat, it aint galaxy, it says, galaxies, unicron's existence, casually wrecks damage on the fabric of space/time, and creating quantum based shockwaves, capable enough to cui galaxies out of existence

i will keep reminding it to ya, cuz legosgalaxy does it the same as u, and mixes it up
multi-galaxy level by being there
 
i think one of my favorite unicron "feats" is how in energon the leftover energon in his zombified corpse was enough to rip a hole in the fabric of the universe, and there was another universe on the other side

implying unicron either ripped a hole in the fabric of reality into another universe, or that the energy in unicrons body was enough to create an entire universe (i think this latter part is implied)

unicrons zombified dead body is universe+
 
tf fandom, is the only fandom which can downgrade a cosmic feat which is shown on panel, while upgrading instead an obscure feat from a tf cereal box, written on rune alphabet




:jordangif
it is very funny but i do respect OG for trying to not be absolutely insane and, at least the tf feats are real man, half the tf powerscaler community will swear to you up and down that country level IDW characters are actually outerversal+++ irrelevant speed outer gods based on one comic page that they continuously misunderstand in the worlds worst game of telephone
 
obd tf fandom, arguably and unironically we the sanest in a way

on other vs forums/wikis, primus even at his weakest, aint universal, despite he created the tf universe, unicron sleeping inside the big bang is possibly low universal at most, despite he destroyed it first, then slept on it, lmao, it gets crazier, with more examples
 
it is very funny but i do respect OG for trying to not be absolutely insane and, at least the tf feats are real man, half the tf powerscaler community will swear to you up and down that country level IDW characters are actually outerversal+++ irrelevant speed outer gods based on one comic page that they continuously misunderstand in the worlds worst game of telephone
I like to think I’m pretty fair with it even though I’m obviously biased. But like it took years for me to accept Cybertron characters in the universal bracket lol. I try to still approach my fav series/characters with a lot of skepticism. Any highballing I’ve done for the god tiers is just because after a fuckton of reading and rereading I’m convinced those tiers are the only ones they belong on. Reminder that I didn’t think any of them ranked that high until around 3 years ago and that was on ly because through sheer accident I stumbled on some interesting AVP bits and it just snowballed from there.
 
@OtherGalaxy

I'm a little curious. Does Galvatron have any experience with or resistance to Transmutation and Magic?

Cause I remember Buu getting a big buff in DBS with Slim Buu. And Buu's always had the chocolate beam. On top of being insanely hard to destroy due to his broken regen.
 
@OtherGalaxy

I'm a little curious. Does Galvatron have any experience with or resistance to Transmutation and Magic?

Cause I remember Buu getting a big buff in DBS with Slim Buu. And Buu's always had the chocolate beam. On top of being insanely hard to destroy due to his broken regen.
I dont recall any transmutation resistance, also regarding your earlier Q with Hit’s Time Cage, I can’t directly recall temporal resistances either for anyone besides Vector in the show but he’s unique and even characters stronger than him don’t scale to that aspect of his character
 
Anyway to sum it up, the first scaling point without Ramjet is Vector Prime contesting Unicron’s galaxy erasing shockwaves:
zlm4rim.jpeg

Master Megatron even in early eps benefits but that alone is obviously nowhere near enough against any relevant DBS character.

Ramjet was already mentioned, which is basically universe level if you want to interpret him saying he held the power of dead universes that way. Endgame TFC is blatantly at that level since Galvatron with all four Planet Keys and the Omega Lock planned on using the black hole to destroy the universe, and then he’d recreate it in his image. Sonic Wing Optimus punched through Galvatron’s barrier and then hit his face after a rage boost. Then Optimus plus four others beat him with the power of teamwork.

Other Unicron Singularity shenanigans are a ? for me right now
forgot to add the Mogahn the Mass stuff
Q: Dear Vector Prime,

Where did you get your sword Rhisling?

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A: Dear Blade Buddy,

Oh ho, that is quite the tale! In days of long ago, after I assisted in hiding away my brother's five new individual selves, I too went into hiding, locking off former memories of my kin and the battles and horrors we faced. In the ancient days of Aurex 404.11 Kappa, I became the leader of the Autobots, and was granted that universe's manifestation of the Matrix of Leadership.

My Autobots and I faced many challenges; Devron, the Eater of Sparks; the dread warlord Megazarak; the Second-Born Intellects calling themselves Destructons. Many stellar cycles after the titanic conclusion of the second Cybertronian war, I was called upon by the Chronarchitect. Though I was reluctant to abandon my charges, I felt compelled, as if I had a higher calling. I passed the Matrix to my faithful right hand, Guardian Major, and left to help mend damage that the Time Walker could not.

With me were the select few Autobots who chose to abandon all they knew to stand by my side. We were the Time Warriors, composed of medical officer Kaltor, my bodyguard Scorpia, intelligence officer Autoceptor, and quantum scientist Deceptor. Our tasks were legion, and they were varied. We prevented the Magmatron of Primax 206.15 Gamma to falling prey to the X-Dimension, faced uncanny horrors in primeval Primax 514.3 Gamma, and made peaceful contact with the time-traveling natives of LV-117.

Eventually, we unearthed what was vexing the Chronarchitect, the horrifying entity known as Mogahn the Mass. I fear that mere words are inadequate to describe the nightmare that Mogahn was, is, and is yet to be. Stars, planets, asteroids, ships, nebula, pulsars, and countless sentient beings were fused into his Mass, with all who resisted falling prey to his Cyber Caliber. Even the Chaos God, Unicron, tended to avoid realities where The Mass manifested. We fought against him in an endless array of realities, everywhere lives being subsumed into him. Hope seemed lost. Our final battle almost proved my end... and then time fell to a standstill. I found myself floating, for what felt like an eternity, in what was the home to the greatest Cybertronians. My home... the Realm of The Primes.

The Five of the Thirteen who dwelled there reached out to me, reminded me who I was, unlocked my long-sealed memories. I was no longer a humble Autobot leader, I was the Guardian of Space and Time, and no one, no thing, could stand in the way of my duties. My consciousness returned to the physical plane, and I wrest the Cyber Caliber from Mogahn's grasp. Using the gift that Amalgamous, who was then called Adaptus, gave to me, I reformatted it into a sword capable of slicing through time itself. With the last of my strength, I freed all of the captive souls and sparks with the Mass, and sent what remained of him hurtling back screaming to the beginning of time, where his destruction became known as the Big Bang, creating the very reality we happened to be fighting in.

My purpose realized, I said a tearful farewell to my troops and friends and... lover, and became once again bound to my duties, but with a new determination I had never felt before.
VP just after getting his memories back and before getting his signature sword (he had to take the Cyber Caliber from Mogahn and change it into his own weapon) took apart Mogahn and whatever was left of him was still enough to make a Big Bang which created a universe
 
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