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OBD Convo #58: We are the Heroes of Justice

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Masterblack06 said:
you know, after thinking about power scaling of the FF protags, where would you guys place the protags of the side games?

Tactics, Tactics Advanced, the Crystal Chronicles series?
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Ramza is either solar system level or universe level for defeating Ultima at her full power and defeating Elidibus who was using Zodiark’s power. Ultima Demons are capable of moving stars in the sky.

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アルマゲスト

天空を動く星々が作用してできた時空の歪みを発現させダメージを与える。

Almagest

Deals damage by revealing the distortion of time and space brought about and created by stars moving in the sky.
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Zodiark is stated to be stronger than Ultima, and can destroy reality and its laws.
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蛇の座

神々が創造した異形者の中で最も強力な存在であるがゆえに、成長を止められた赤子の天使王。圧倒的な力で、あらゆるものをねじ伏せ消滅させる。森羅万象の法則を創造することが可能で、すべての事象や生物に対して神の代わりに罰をあたえることができる。そのため戒律王と呼ばれ、逆らう者はない。

Serpentarius

An angel king whose growth was stopped as he was the most powerful existence among the Scions the gods created. With his overwhelming power he holds down and consumes all things. Can create the laws of all creations and punishes all matters and living things in the place of gods. Due to that, he was known as the Keeper of Precepts, and no one can oppose him.
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Ramza has even fought alongside Cloud Strife.
 
Papa Nier said:
Ramza is either solar system level or universe level for defeating Ultima at her full power and defeating Elidibus who was using Zodiark’s power. Ultima Demons are capable of moving stars in the sky.

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Zodiark is stated to be stronger than Ultima, and can destroy reality and its laws.
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Ramza has even fought alongside Cloud Strife.
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so the tactics protags are pretty fucking up there.

We just need to figure out how strong Marche (TA), Luso (TA2), Layle (Crystal Bearers), the Tipa Caravan (Crystal Chronicles), Yuri (Rings of Fate), and Eryll (Echoes of Time) are
 
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Also Ashley Riot from Vagrant Story, since Vagrant Story is set in the same world as FFXII, FF:T and FF:TA.
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I just remembered you fight Ultima as a Totema in TA so Marche is already fucking up there, Li Grim is also supposed to be the personifcation of the wishes for the entirety of Ivalice to exist and Marche defeats her as well.

in TA2 i have no idea how strong the Neukhia is supposed to be
 
So Chocobo from Chocobo games, he has defeated Bebuzzu the original ruler of the Void before creation, the antithesis of the Creator, and the one who forged the Black Crystal, an artifact capable of warping all of existence. In Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales, Chocobo defeats Bebuzzu after restoring the Crystals light, overcoming a force that predates the universe itself. Chocobo has fought Omega multiple times throughout his games. Also in FFXIV, Omega created a cartoonish chocobo named Alpha whose appearance was said by Omega to have been based on a chocobo he met in another world 'whose power rivaled his. In Chocobo Mystery Dungeon, Chocobo can acquire the same robes as Alpha and when Chocobo enters the Interdimensional Rift, Omega mentions collecting data from Chocobo. Warrior of Light could only face Omega because of the power of Chocobo.
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Chocobo has also fought Shinryu
 
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So Chocobo from Chocobo games, he has defeated Bebuzzu the original ruler of the Void before creation, the antithesis of the Creator, and the one who forged the Black Crystal, an artifact capable of warping all of existence. In Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales, Chocobo defeats Bebuzzu after restoring the Crystals light, overcoming a force that predates the universe itself. Chocobo has fought Omega multiple times throughout his games. Also in FFXIV, Omega created a cartoonish chocobo named Alpha whose appearance was said by Omega to have been based on a chocobo he met in another world 'whose power rivaled his. In Chocobo Mystery Dungeon, Chocobo can acquire the same robes as Alpha and when Chocobo enters the Interdimensional Rift, Omega mentions collecting data from Chocobo. Warrior of Light could only face Omega because of the power of Chocobo.
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Chocobo has also fought Shinryu
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Chocobo > Everyone else
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Roadblock was a damn good show but this really should have main evented. I understand the "best women's division" hype but Oba, with the POSSIBLE exception of Trick Williams, is the most over wrestler on NXT by far and this was actually a genuine dream match that has never happened anywhere.

It was also just a better match in general, not knocking the girls 'cause they were damn good but these guys absolutely stole the show.



I get they wanted to end on a title change and that it happened so fast because Giulia is injured and needed to drop the belt but it just felt like Stephanie should have dethroned Roxanne to begin with rather than end up with Stephanie as a double champion. I get it, injuries happen and we need to adapt (it's not anybody's fault) but it does leave them in a pickle.

Because now who the hell is meant to take the North American title in particular off her while she's also the NXT Women's Champion? At least we have Jordynne Grace as a contender for the big title but no one in that mid-card can touch this woman at least not right now (which was the reason I was nervous when she started going for that title in the first place).
 




Oh I think we're doing this. :awesome

Fraxiom lost round one for the TNA titles, should win Round 2 to keep the NXT titles and then we get the final of the trilogy at Stand and Deliver for BOTH sets of Tag Titles. Fucking do it Shawn and whoever decides these things at TNA, I want to see it. :amazing
 
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