Othinus vs Aradia

[Astaro]

We got enough Toaru fans on here.

@Hiryuu @Darth Zion @Top59 @Churronzon @One and Only @fiamma @Mr.OMG @Irradiance
@TheBlackWing

Who takes it between best Magic God and best Transcendent

 

[Churronzon]

No prep? Othinus decks her.

With some prep, Othinus still dissipates her particles or chucks a galaxy at her

Even if we assume risk 4 could allow her to survive Gungnir for w/e reason, there’d be nothing and no one around to perform good deeds for so she can’t stack up her power.

Although triple reload was just her base skill and we don’t know if risk 4 could change it but I doubt it.

 

[Astaro]

“But but Muh Surface World only Magic Gods!”

Fucking mouth breather-tier debating

 

[Astaro]

No prep? Othinus decks her.

With some prep, Othinus still dissipates her particles or chucks a galaxy at her

Even if we assume risk 4 could allow her to survive Gungnir for w/e reason, there’d be nothing and no one around to perform good deeds for so she can’t stack up her power.

Although triple reload was just her base skill and we don’t know if risk 4 could change it but I doubt it.

We saw Risk 4 in action with H.T. Trismegistus and Good Old Mary. Besides nothing from either screaming Magic God level power in the slightest, it should also be noted Mary was holding her own for a while against Risk 4 Trismegistus without going Risk 4 herself, showing there isn’t an overwhelming difference in power

And finally, there’s the fact that Aradia attempting to go into Risk 4 was negated with ease by Touma before he knocked her out.

Took Touma billions of lifetimes worth of accumulated experience to be able to stop Othinus’ Gungnir, failed to stop the similarly powerful Magick: Flaming_Sword from Coronzon, and just barely managed to withstand one of the crossbow shots of a dying Othinus who was literally on her last legs

 

[Darth Zion]

In terms of pure stats, Aradia actually has to stack up on good deeds to power up whereas Othinus can unleash her power instantly without any need for preperation and keep on doing it constantly for billions of years. There's also the fact that the casual firepower thrown around by Othinus far outclass anything the regular Transcendents have shown outside statements.

In terms of equipment and magic, she has no defences that might allowed her to counter either the Spiritual Items used by Othinus such as her Crossbow and Gugnir or any of the more hax spells that Othinus can casually and instantly use such as her Time-Stop, her Phase Manipulation, her Fairy Stake, etc...

In terms of endurance, Transcendents canonically died to Othinus nuking the universe whereas a fight between two Magic Gods always ends in a statement. Moreover, Othinus is eternal and immortal who can fight for billions of years, whereas Aradia is mortal with no hax defences to speak of.

In short, Aradia is outclassed in terms of power, stamina, magic, equipment, and even mindset. In fact, I can't think of any parameter in which she can compare to Othinus other than having bigger breasts.

Othinus swings her lance and it's GG

 

[Astaro]

Othinus: Took a spell designed to destroy deities like her by taking away their powers and just laughed it off before making it work for her instead.

Aradia: Loses all her powers once you duct tape her hands and feet together.

Othinus: Will hurl several freaking galaxies at you to prove a point

Aradia: Flings fucking bear grease.

 

[Paxton]

In terms of pure stats, Aradia actually has to stack up on good deeds to power up whereas Othinus can unleash her power instantly without any need for preperation and keep on doing it constantly for billions of years. There's also the fact that the casual firepower thrown around by Othinus far outclass anything the regular Transcendents have shown outside statements.

In terms of equipment and magic, she has no defences that might allowed her to counter either the Spiritual Items used by Othinus such as her Crossbow and Gugnir or any of the more hax spells that Othinus can casually and instantly use such as her Time-Stop, her Phase Manipulation, her Fairy Stake, etc...

In terms of endurance, Transcendents canonically died to Othinus nuking the universe whereas a fight between two Magic Gods always ends in a statement. Moreover, Othinus is eternal and immortal who can fight for billions of years, whereas Aradia is mortal with no hax defences to speak of.

In short, Aradia is outclassed in terms of power, stamina, magic, equipment, and even mindset. In fact, I can't think of any parameter in which she can compare to Othinus other than having bigger breasts.

Othinus swings her lance and it's GG

Because they don't want to destroy the world with massive aoe attacks, not that they don't have that much power period.
Surely we aren't going to use a lack of environmental destruction against a character being that strong, no?

You wouldn't say this about Aleister, for example.
(A stronger version of Aleister as of New Testament had to actually draw upon Coronzon for more power against base Mut lmao)

Lack of endurance isn't why they died: they limited their power and let it happen. That's what GT6's afterword directly says.


Phase manipulation (and subsequently Gungnir's precedence hax) doesn't work on those who leave human territory (which is what RIsk 4 does for Transcendents), so that's already covered.

All that's left to compare is their magic outside of that.

 

[Paxton]

"We saw Risk 4 in action with H.T. Trismegistus and Good Old Mary. Besides nothing from either screaming Magic God level power in the slightest, it should also be noted Mary was holding her own for a while against Risk 4 Trismegistus without going Risk 4 herself, showing there isn’t an overwhelming difference in power"

And all this means is that base Transcendents are stronger than initially proposed.

 

[Astaro]

"We saw Risk 4 in action with H.T. Trismegistus and Good Old Mary. Besides nothing from either screaming Magic God level power in the slightest, it should also be noted Mary was holding her own for a while against Risk 4 Trismegistus without going Risk 4 herself, showing there isn’t an overwhelming difference in power"

And all this means is that base Transcendents are stronger than initially proposed.

And that you’ve always been full of shit with how OP Risk 4 is

 

[Paxton]

What have I claimed besides Risk 4 being a limit on their power that enables them to become stronger and leave human territory (which has various benefits)?

Also what happened to ignoring me lol

 

[Paxton]

The Fairy Stake is actually something interesting that I didn't consider in regards to this match-up ngl

I'm really not too sure how effective it'd be or not

 

[Paxton]

@OtherGalaxy I see you lurking

 

[Astaro]

What have I claimed besides Risk 4 being a limit on their power that enables them to become stronger and leave human territory (which has various benefits)?

Also what happened to ignoring me lol

I’m not going to ignore you sneaking in a reply to my post.

So now that we’ve established there's no astronomical difference in power between Regular Fraudscendents and their Risk 4, nevermind how Aradia's Risk 4 was nulled by Touma with ease he could never hope to achieve against even a casual attack from Othinus:

Let's look at Aradia's feats

Her end game attack (and this is after several prior amps via her Rule of Wiccan Triple Reload)

“A witch mixes her sebum and sweat with powdered herbs and minerals to create the ointment we need.”

Something flashed.

It came from Aradia as she sat on the severed pedestrian signal like it was a witch’s broom.

Lines of light filled the night sky around her like a planetarium. A satellite viewing the earth may have seen it as a glowing net capturing the planet itself.

“So I will claim the assistance of everything floating in the air! Around 10 thousand tons of cosmic dust pour down on the planet ever day after burning up in the atmosphere. With invisible pieces of the moon in hand, I can even absorb all of the carbon dioxide out of the earth’s atmosphere. The witch goddess will use her ointment to save humanity from global warming! And the good deed of saving the world will be returned to me at triple strength. Then I will concentrate all of that power on a single point to obliterate the enemy before my eyes!!”

There shouldn’t have been any way for him to win.

Spraying around a firehose could never spray all of the extraterrestrial dust from the planet’s atmosphere."

Compare that to this:

Magic God Othinus could control everything. Without exaggeration, she controlled the world itself. If she wanted to, she could have galaxies collide to kill Kamijou Touma. Or she could break the bonds between the particles making up his body and cause his very existence to disperse. If she was the slightest bit dissatisfied with something, she could turn back time, re-lay the rails of fate that led to the future, and create the exact result she wanted.

He could not win by fighting normally.

Just as the eyepatch-wearing girl had said, there was too great a difference between the basic specs of a human and a god.

Any external stimuli from Kamijou Touma or a third party could never defeat that monster.

Aradia flat out admits she can't beat a Magic God and can only theoretically amass enough power to eventually beat them. And thats without factoring their immortality or even Othinus alone demonstration of regeneration, something else Aradia has neve demonstrated to have any answer to,

Aradia gently rubbed Kamijou's head and gave him an adoring smile.

"This is what it means to receive triple the blessing of your own good deeds. Hee hee. And that triple can be stacked on top of itself as many times as necessary. Give me the chance and it will snowball far beyond anything you can handle. All I have to do is perform good deeds throughout my everyday life – or set things up so my actions are interpreted that way – and my power will eventually grow to the point that I can one-shot a Magic God or a Transcendent."

No Fraudscendent besides Alice and possibly Anna is even Universal.

Damage control this, clown

 

[Astaro]

Phase manipulation (and subsequently Gungnir's precedence hax) doesn't work on those who leave human territory (which is what RIsk 4 does for Transcendents), so that's already covered.

Bullshit as usual from you

Ollerus is a god (Fairy spell works on him) and yet he was obliterated by the former and would have been obliterated by the latter as confirmed in the narration if he was still around to face Othinus' Gungnir like Touma did.

Your grasping at blatant hyperbole and ignoring of actual feats is mind numbingly stupid.

 

[Paxton]

I’m not going to ignore you sneaking in a reply to my post.

So now that we’ve established there's no astronomical difference in power between Regular Fraudscendents and their Risk 4, nevermind how Aradia's Risk 4 was nulled by Touma with ease he could never hope to achieve against even a casual attack from Othinus:

Let's look at Aradia's feats

Her end game attack (and this is after several prior amps via her Rule of Wiccan Triple Reload)



Compare that to this:



Aradia flat out admits she can't beat a Magic God and can only theoretically amass enough power to eventually beat them. And thats without factoring their immortality or even Othinus alone demonstration of regeneration, something else Aradia has neve demonstrated to have any answer to,



No Fraudscendent besides Alice and possibly Anna is even Universal.

Damage control this, clown

So your argument hinges on a lack of environmental destruction which is already addressed by the fact that they don't want to destroy the world with massive aoe attacks, because they live on that planet. Great argument.


Touma can nullify their stat buffs with Risk 4 but he can't negate Othinus' own physiology. That has nothing to do with power.
Touma outright negates Gungnir after its thrown by Othinus. What do you mean he can't negate an attack from Othinus??



And that's not what Aradia says.

She says her power will eventually grow to the point where she can ONE-SHOT a Magic God or Transcendent, not just simply match them.

Read your own quote.

 

[Astaro]

So your argument hinges on a lack of environmental destruction which is already addressed by the fact that they don't want to destroy the world with massive aoe attacks, because they live on that planet. Great argument.

And that's not what Aradia says.

She says her power will eventually grow to the point where she can ONE-SHOT a Magic God or Transcendent, not just simply match them.

Read your own quote.

*Literally posted Aradia's best AoE attack shown

Try again

Already corrected myself. And it doesnt change anything. It shows shes weak as hell starting out regardless and only hypes up what she can pull off in the right circumstances.

 

[Paxton]

*Literally posted Aradia's best AoE attack shown

Try again

" Then I will concentrate all of that power on a single point to obliterate the enemy before my eyes!!”"

So she's concentrating all that power into a single point... which means she's limiting the aoe explicitly.

 

[Astaro]

" Then I will concentrate all of that power on a single point to obliterate the enemy before my eyes!!”"

So she's concentrating all that power into a single point... which means she's limiting the aoe explicitly.

All the cosmic dust and carbon dioxide in the atmosphere focused into a single point is the most you can argue for that.

Aradia weaponizes the planet's atmosphere,

Othinus hurls galaxies.

Its not even close

 

[Paxton]

Bullshit as usual from you

Ollerus is a god (Fairy spell works on him) and yet he was obliterated by the former and would have been obliterated by the latter as confirmed in the narration if he was still around to face Othinus' Gungnir like Touma did.

Your grasping at blatant hyperbole and ignoring of actual feats is mind numbingly stupid.

Then let's look at what NT9's narration actually says.

Most likely, no one could have escaped that lance when attacked head on. No matter what form of defense or evasion they attempted, they would have had no hope of surviving.
That attack had been given the parameter of “no human can oppose it”.
Unless one left the territory of man, one would be smashed to pieces.
Not even Fiamma of the Right or Ollerus could have done anything when faced with it.

"Unless one left the territory of man, one would be smashed to pieces"
And then it says Fiamma and Ollerus would die if faced with this attack.

Which means they are still in human territory.

 

[Astaro]

Then let's look at what NT9's narration actually says.



"Unless one left the territory of man, one would be smashed to pieces"
And then it says Fiamma and Ollerus would die if faced with this attack.

Which means they are still in human territory.

Not it means your hyperbole means Jack shit and it just more flowery writing.

Ollerus is a god (fairy spell works for him, it’s harmless if he was a human) yet would die to any of Othinus’ attacks.

Feats son. Post them