He is limited by his creator, but by the same token his creator can’t grant wishes either.he's limited by the power of his creator, him having different abilities is not a refutation to that
That’s not the same as agreeing. The fact that I’m talking to you instead of ignoring you alreadyOpen minded means you are willing to hear out, opposing viewpoints to your own.
Jr is his reincarnation + sonPiccolo daimio is the same character as piccolo jr
Son genetically.Jr is his reincarnation + son
When did i say, that being open minded equals agreeing with me?? Why are you putting words in my mouthThat’s not the same as agreeing. The fact that I’m talking to you instead of ignoring you already
Kami also has magic, it's how he creates the shenron to begin withMagic is not the same as Ki, and Shenron’s Magic is a different beast to Kami’s powerlevel. We already know Shenron is weaker than Kami because Kami himself is stronger than Piccolo Daimao. These are all holes to the idea that Shenron scales to some powerlevel Kami has.
it's consistent, Daimao is above roshi and shenron both of whom can create and destroy the moon respectivelyAnyone trying to seriously make King Piccolo planet level based off some one-off statement and using the godfather of all outliers that is Roshi moonbusting
Same guys who say arceus are universe lv and momoshiki are kaguya lv, Would be telling me this but again do go on about how he exhausts himself blowing cities when he stated that he would destroy a province every day on may 9th, Also do tell me how piccolo got eighty million times stronger in 3 years like that makes sense.Motherfucker exhausts himself just nuking a city, but nah he's totally planet because of a hilariously obvious outlier
NO WAY indicates he thought he could destroy the world in one blast (we literally KNOW he CAN'T do this because of his actual feats).
Roshi moon busts then it's followed up by a planet statement, how is that literally any differentwhen we get the legitimate moon busting feat (because it is followed up by much better feats soon after).
Dragons are weaker then their creatorswhich Kami can't, that's why the Namekians made the Dragon Balls in the fucking first place, they wouldn't need them otherwise if they could do this shit on their own.
Depends if you accept Roshi’s moon buster or notOPverse is currently too much for Part 1 Dragon Ball.
No it's not.it's consistent,
Yet he blatantly exhausts himself just destroying a city in one shot, establishing a clear limit on how strong he is. You can't get around this fact. He is superior to Roshi yet completely fails to replicate Roshi's feat, despite expicitly using his full power in the attack.Daimao is above roshi and shenron both of whom can create and destroy the moon respectively
Yeah almost like Arceus and the Creation Trio have multiple casual feats on universe-multiverse level AND consistently take each other's attacks, even when going all out. Not to mention FAR weaker Legendaries consistently bodying the fuck out of any non-top tier trained Pokemon they fight (and even it's usually an uphill struggle for the non-Legendary). The meteor and any rando Pokemon fucking with the Creation is an obvious low end because THEY are the odd ones out as far as their feats go..funny that you consensus types are calling piccolo daimao an outlier, as you also on the other side of your mouth fine saying arceus is universe lv when he died to a meteor and got negged by rando pokemon
Says the guy who uses one or two outlying instances to try and pretend Legendaries don't dramatically shit on normal Pokemon. Not to mention blatantly ignoring the obvious fact the Creation Trio can take their own attacks, as can Arceus in favor of a single nonsensical incident with a meteor.you dont give one damn about things being inconsistent as your fine ignoring 90 percent of feats for certain characters if the consensus viewpoint is not consistent with the facts of the matter another example would be momoshiki kaguya lv despite losing to darui and gaara in cqc.
I have you types quite figured out as your simple
Don't give a fuck about the Naruto shit but the Pokemon argument falls flat because YOU are the one ignoring the MAJORITY of Arceus' feats in favor of one low end.Same guys who say arceus are universe lv and momoshiki are kaguya lv,
Ficitional characters (especially villains) talk shit about their own capabilities all the time. Either overestimating or underestimating himself.Would be telling me this but again do go on about how he exhausts himself blowing cities when he stated that he would destroy a province every day on may 9th,
EIGHT Years moron. 3 years only saw him reach island levels at the 23rd Budokai, he didn't reach moon-planet levels until the Saiyan saga, five years later.Also do tell me how piccolo got eighty million times stronger in 3 years like that makes sense.
Android 18 bodied the fuck out of confirmed planet level characters who actually have the feats to put them at that level.Going by actual feats, Android 18 is what building lv
So are outliers and low ends..Scaling and statements are a thing, you know
While you keep trying to pedal these false equivalences and ignoring the actual issue (which NONE of these other instances have) you just make yourself look more and more like an ignorant, trying desparately to act like he has a point.but again if we wanna be a feat purist then SSG goku is not even planet level afterall he never did it on screen
Do you see how we're not actually being feat purists here? The series itself shows a hard-limit on Piccolo Daimao's power. A limit which does not line up with Roshi's feat, despite Roshi being PROVEN to be weaker than Piccolo Daimao.Do you see how the feat purist logic makes zero sense and how none of you actually argue that way until dragon ball is involved funnily almost like your biased or something
Because the statement Piccolo Daimao makes in NO WAY indicates planet busting. That is an assumption you're making based on a desparate desire to wank him, even as the series itself SHOWS YOU POINT-BLANK that Piccolo can't do that.Roshi moon busts then it's followed up by a planet statement, how is that literally any different
And yet are still blatantly capable of things outside their creator's capabilities.Dragons are weaker then their creators
Indeed they are, glad we finally agree on something.Facts >>>>>>>>>>>> My BS
Outlier.Depends if you accept Roshi’s moon buster or not
but that in itself is a shitstorm
You already conceded my point in this, so no use in following this on later. They’re different characters as stated by Piccolo himself in the Manga.Son genetically.
Yeah but Popo is the one that has to fix the statue.Kami also has magic, it's how he creates the shenron to begin with
he brings the doll to life as stated by popo when they revived the dragon
It can already do things the creator can’t do, like revive people like Vegeta from the dead. He wouldn’t resort to collecting the Dragon Balls if he can just do whatever Shenlong can.Shenron scales below kami yea, That still does not change the rules of the wish dragon where it cant do anything near or above the level of it's creator like that's why shenron was not used to kill piccolo
I read the Manga again, and Goku doesn’t even mention Shenlong.Anyways the whole shenron point was just about how he can recreate the moon then kami would also logically have the same tier of power,
Not one reallyYeah almost like Arceus and the Creation Trio have multiple casual feats on universe-multiverse level
There's more times where the fandom's nonsense is debunked then it is affirmedThe meteor and any rando Pokemon fucking with the Creation is an obvious low end because THEY are the odd ones out as far as their feats go..
Your argument was that,, Daimao lacks direct feats so he's fodder so where is 18's featsAndroid 18 bodied the fuck out of confirmed planet level characters who actually have the feats to put them at that level.
You have failed on all fronts to prove that was a outlierSo are outliers and low ends..
it's not a false equivalence though, nor can you prove it which is why you never bothered to explain why you think in such a wayWhile you keep trying to pedal these false equivalences
Because the statement Piccolo Daimao makes in NO WAY indicates planet busting.
He had no trouble destroying shenron.Yet he blatantly exhausts himself just destroying a city in one shot, establishing a clear limit on how strong he is
You realize that there are multiple ways to “destroy the world” because the context can mean he will destroy all of civilization in every country,So when he says destroying the world, he just meant a city?
You have failed on all fronts to prove that was a outlierOutlier.
Like, perfect definition of an outlier.
to quote kami, sorry to disappoint but before daimao died he left behind a shadeYou already conceded my point in this, so no use in following this on later. They’re different characters as stated by Piccolo himself in the Manga.
Yeah but Popo is the one that has to fix the statue.
its a joint effort for a reason.
why are you still on this, I said it was within relation to power beforeIt can already do things the creator can’t do, like revive people like Vegeta from the dead. He wouldn’t resort to collecting the Dragon Balls if he can just do whatever Shenlong can.
He never mentions it was kami that brought back the moon just that, he wanted it backand we don’t even know HOW he did it either
Daimao can planet bust so him
Piccolo Jr literally said it was his father in the manga scanto quote kami, sorry to disappoint but before daimao died he left behind a shade
Shenron was never stated to create the moon.We have on my side. Shenron moon creation,planet lv daimao statement and roshi's moon feat
Chapter 159. Goku tells him twice that his power is too low and his blasts got way weaker.versus your what city feat which you have not proved took all his power
that’s how Popo described it in Chapter 165Kami cant make a doll now??
It's just more convenient for him to help, Other members of the dragon clan have created eternal dragons without help of popo take porunga
Yeah but it’s refered to be Namekians in plural. In other words more than one Namekian.Other members of the dragon clan have created eternal dragons without help of popo take porunga
I was mistaken with it being Shenlong, only by the fact that it’s not stated to be shenlong. Just Kami. It might be Shenlong but we don’t know what Kami did or even if shenlong was involvedHe never mentions it was kami that brought back the moon just that, he wanted it back
It was you who brought up shenron when, I said kami did it so im not even sure what your trying to say anymore
Actually….he’s suppose to be both the reincarnation and “son” of Piccolo DaimaoPiccolo Jr literally said it was his father in the manga scan
and Kami in that panel describes him as a “spore” which is literally means it’s his child.
Shenron was never stated to create the moon.
Chapter 159. Goku tells him twice that his power is too low and his blasts got way weaker.
that’s how Popo described it in Chapter 165
“First I build things and Kami gives them life”
Popo does the statue and Kami ressurects him
Yeah but it’s refered to be Namekians in plural. In other words more than one Namekian.
And again, they use magic
I was mistaken with it being Shenlong, only by the fact that it’s not stated to be shenlong. Just Kami. It might be Shenlong but we don’t know what Kami did or even if shenlong was involved
father in the genetic sense, piccolo daimao did birth him but unlike with the other kids of daimao, He was a shade of the demon king. a copyPiccolo Jr literally said it was his father in the manga scan
That's not how it's saidthat’s how Popo described it in Chapter 165
but we still know they made the doll without the need of a popo type characterYeah but it’s refered to be Namekians in plural. In other words more than one Namekian.
Who was it then??? Can you prove it was not shenron?Shenron was never stated to create the moon.
This is basically a semantic debate at this point. Piccolo Jr is both the son and also the reincarnation of Demon King Piccolo. My point is that they’re basically different characters in terms of power level. Piccolo Jr is objectively the stronger of the twoActually….he’s suppose to be both the reincarnation and “son” of Piccolo Daimao
The Japanese explicitly calls them the same person. That’s why you don’t see King Piccolo in hell, because his soul was reincarnated into Jr
i mean. He literally repaired shenlong there. Its just that he had Popo’s help. He needed the statue to be repaired by Popo. You don’t see Kami just reviving shenlong and his body alone. He specifically asked Popo if he could do itPopo makes the doll sure but it's never stated that kami cant make shenron infact we know that he likely should be able too considering again the people of namek made a porunga doll without the aid of a popo.
Infact, this very scan says he can repair it meaning he does not need popo to do it
Says who. Shenlong is different from Porunga in his wish granting power. The process is different it seemsbut we still know they made the doll without the need of a popo type character
so that disproves the idea that kami needs popo to create shenron
you can’t prove a negative, the burden of proof is on you that it WAS Shenlong.Who was it then??? Can you prove it was not shenron?
Wrong as Roshi never comes close to that anywhere else in the series until super. Shenron uses magic hence why it does not translate into DC or Dura as King Piccolo literally gets tired from destroying a city and yet is able to kill him and in fact we never see Shenron destroy anything so that is bullshit.it's consistent, Daimao is above roshi and shenron both of whom can create and destroy the moon respectively
>taking the tv series as the only canon when that could easily be inconsistent with the lore that started with the gamesfunny that you consensus types are calling piccolo daimao an outlier, as you also on the other side of your mouth fine saying arceus is universe lv when he died to a meteor and got negged by rando pokemon
Lol real cute attempt at looking tough little guy, unfortunately all it does and show you as a whiny bitter man-child angry his fav characters are not seen as strong by others as he does. We never "ignore" 90% of feats even for series we do dislike, we simply don't peddle the bullshit ones that are not consistent and King Piccolo and Roshi being anywhere close to moon and planet level is not consistent with anything else no matter how hard you try to push it being otherwise. In fact why in the name of god would you bother using Boruto of all things for consistency when that piece of shit manga is the most inconsistent continuation of a previous one I have ever seen? Shit completely forgets it's own power set and rules all the damn time and made it's two main leads job hard in ways that defy it's own logic, just trying to powerscale that shit is a tiresome endeavor and you think using that of all things helps your argument? Get fucking real dude.you dont give one damn about things being inconsistent as your fine ignoring 90 percent of feats for certain characters if the consensus viewpoint is not consistent with the facts of the matter another example would be momoshiki kaguya lv despite losing to darui and gaara in cqc.
I have you types quite figured out as your simple
I didn’t say he wasn’t? I didn’t read the debate you two were having lolThis is basically a semantic debate at this point. Piccolo Jr is both the son and also the reincarnation of Demon King Piccolo. My point is that they’re basically different characters in terms of power level. Piccolo Jr is objectively the stronger of the two
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